tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post1728377494166545403..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: Operation Blast.voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-60720975112963818682010-07-17T08:34:40.586+01:002010-07-17T08:34:40.586+01:00Looking forward to Skippy Le marqaund and Connetab...Looking forward to Skippy Le marqaund and Connetable Simon Crowcroft on talk back tomorrow, somehow i think Skippy will be out of his leagueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-45265706259919194952010-07-16T23:08:40.275+01:002010-07-16T23:08:40.275+01:00VFC & Rob,
In addition to always following ev...VFC & Rob,<br /><br />In addition to always following every money trail, it could be helpful to keep searching for the original roots of Operation Blast. <br /><br />In Jersey, it is not just WHO you know that matters. True power often really lies in WHAT you have on them.<br /><br />For example, what if some within Jersey's ruling elite hold hidden sinister powers primarily because they already have some serious dirt on several other individuals with influence?<br /><br />To use secret personal information to exert control, an individual may not need to have evidence of actual criminal or legal wrong doing by another; in some cases just implied threat of release of embarassing personal or family information, whether true or false, might suffice to keep the more cowardly politicians in line. <br /><br />It could be a as simple as a hypothetical threat to expose a former teacher who is rumored to have violated the trust of a few female students before running for office and then holding some responsibilty for the scrutiny of his elected colleagues. <br /><br />We still do not know exactly who ordered or knew about Operation Blast, and for all we know now, GP was even set up for just this public relations outcome. <br /><br />However, with GP and LH already investigating decades of such entrenched child abuse and government/police coverups, along with government interference and a few named officials as actual abuse suspects, might GP have had very compelling reasons to examine the "hold" Jersey's politicians had on each other? <br /><br />Without knowing more, it is awfully easy to speculate about these secret files, but if GP hoped to unravel the motives behind such outrageous government obstruction of the abuse investigation, he needed to understand exactly what power certain authorities had over others.<br /><br />For a police investigator or journalist, it is always relevant to know who in power holds secret influence through fear of exposure or retaliation, and there is already evidence that Jersey's power base remains at least partially structured that way. <br /><br />Child abuse on the scale it apparently occurred required an awful lot of complicity within government for at least a generation. Files from Operation Blast might throw light on just how that was managed.<br /><br />BooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-67268375604292872542010-07-16T22:20:01.469+01:002010-07-16T22:20:01.469+01:00Hi VFC
I think you might be right
Interesting t...Hi VFC<br /><br />I think you might be right <br /><br />Interesting times lay ahead and we have the whole recess for the hard work.<br /><br />No matter ho heavy the storm its always amamzing ho w a ray of sunshine breaks through<br /><br />rsrico sordahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09370637157786202673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-82884283606251368772010-07-16T20:38:29.720+01:002010-07-16T20:38:29.720+01:00Anon.
Thank you for your words of encouragement.....Anon.<br /><br />Thank you for your words of encouragement.......they help. And Chris Rayner, who I have been critical of in the past, is giving me a fair crack of the whip, so thanks to him also.<br /><br />On another note, I hope to be publishing a Blog, in the next day or so, that will throw a completely different light on the "redacted" Wiltshire Report. And those, like myself, who have been critical of Wiltshire just might have to show a little humility!voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-43498866093197039792010-07-16T18:45:06.071+01:002010-07-16T18:45:06.071+01:00VFC,
You are so right with what you said on the ...VFC, <br />You are so right with what you said on the 'moan in' today. (and every day for that matter). I just want to mention how much I admire you and how grateful I am to you for all your up hard work on this up hill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-58716652668162054472010-07-16T17:53:09.420+01:002010-07-16T17:53:09.420+01:00Jill, I forgot all those other things that happene...Jill, I forgot all those other things that happened but apparently never happened. Let's hope they never not happen again.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-57476204528585567212010-07-16T17:42:39.201+01:002010-07-16T17:42:39.201+01:00Rob - how on earth could you say such a thing?! Li...Rob - how on earth could you say such a thing?! Likening Jersey to the Soviet Union in 1936 (tee hee!).<br /><br />And that from a true blood Jerseyman as well. I am well and truly shocked.<br /><br />However, as a non Jersey person I can confirm that you hit the nail right on the head, and furthermore your exchange with VFC was very good.<br /><br />By the way, you forgot that we will also ask that you could actually take on board that a large granite 'bath', that was quite important evidence, was removed from Haut de la Garenne, and no-one seems to know where it is!! And...65 children's teeth fell quite by coincidence through a gap in the floorboards, courtesy of the tooth fairy, and we have to believe that because good old Skippy told us so.<br /><br />Nah Rob, this is good old honest, upright, transparent Jersey where such things could never happen.Jill Gracianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-49686345709357430692010-07-16T16:01:14.320+01:002010-07-16T16:01:14.320+01:00This now paves the way for Warcup to become Chief ...This now paves the way for Warcup to become Chief of Police and Le Marquand to become Chief Minister.<br />With no defence allowed.<br />It absolutely STINKS!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-24550753024951031292010-07-16T11:19:15.292+01:002010-07-16T11:19:15.292+01:00Re "Maybe there is such thing as “coincidence...Re "Maybe there is such thing as “coincidence” but what does it say if there’s not?"<br /><br />It says that you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist who should be ashamed to call himself a Jerseyman.<br /><br />Are you really trying to tell me senior figures in the Jersey establishment colluded to cover up institutional child abuse aided and abetted by a compliant local media for no other reason than to protect the government, the image of Jersey, and several well-connected abusers or their powerful protectors?<br /><br />The next thing you will be asking me to believe is that Bill Ogley told Graham Power, "This could bring down the government." And that Graham Power made contemporaneous notes of the conversation because he did not want to be involved in a plot by a 'government within the government' to illegally remove a minister from power.<br /><br />And then you will ask me to believe that the new police team brought in to replace the old team shredded evidence, lied about the existence of cellars at HdlG, and sent a piece of coconut shell to Kew Gardens to prove it wasn't the piece of skull originally dug up.<br /><br />Wake up, man. Where do you think you are living - the Soviet Union in 1936?Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-41847644633806910032010-07-16T11:06:05.592+01:002010-07-16T11:06:05.592+01:00Rob.
If you were to talk to any (half decent) Jou...Rob.<br /><br />If you were to talk to any (half decent) Journalist, Lawyer, Barrister, Policeman they would tell you that there is no such thing as “coincidence”<br /><br />But for those who do believe, here’s a “coincidence” for you. Simon Bellwood, Stuart Syvret, Lenny Harper, Graham Power and doubtless many others all exposed Child Abuse in our States of Jersey “CARE” system. All have either been trashed in the local media, or discredited by our “powers that be” <br /><br />Maybe there is such thing as “coincidence” but what does it say if there’s not?voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-40617897735767728632010-07-16T10:47:31.285+01:002010-07-16T10:47:31.285+01:00Re "But the truth is Graham Power was right, ...Re "But the truth is Graham Power was right, ILM (in mine and many other's opinion), had absolutely no intention of giving Graham Power (just like the JEP) a fair hearing!"<br /><br />Yep. That was their modus operandi, otherwise they would have started a disciplinary case back in November 2009 when they got the Wiltshire report.<br /><br />Given that GP is not now going to get a fair hearing and his defence mostly cannot be heard for reasons of confidentiality, he is, as he stated, exonerated.<br /><br />And all that baloney from ILM and the JEP is just flim-flam intended to throw the last spade-full of dirt onto the child abuse cover-up.<br /><br />They all must be very pleased with themselves.<br /><br />A friend of mine who grew up in Jersey but is now a barrister in London said to me when the HdlG investigation became public, 'They will cover it up.'<br /><br />How percipient of her.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-27058699904817407072010-07-16T10:39:35.228+01:002010-07-16T10:39:35.228+01:00Rob.
Exactly, this is where GP was proved right! ...Rob.<br /><br />Exactly, this is where GP was proved right! He explained to the Royal Court that ILM was dragging this all out and it will become a "dismissal by stealth". <br /><br />ILM, as far as I remember, assured the court that this wasn't the case and that, GP woul/could face a fair disciplinary hearing and be able to deliver his defence to an independent tribunal.<br /><br />Of course the Royal Court found in favour of ILM and believed him. But the truth is Graham Power was right, ILM (in mine and many other's opinion), had absolutely no intention of giving Graham Power (just like the JEP) a fair hearing!voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17228054225172879352010-07-16T10:32:09.997+01:002010-07-16T10:32:09.997+01:00Re "In conclusion, ILM is happy to have a rep...Re "In conclusion, ILM is happy to have a report done (for disciplinary purposes) based on UK standards. But when it comes to disciplining the Chief Officer, the UK standards, it would appear, are not good enough and would prefer to use a completeley not fit for purpose (by his own admission) disciplinary code of Jersey!"<br /><br />I noticed that in the transcripts of the suspension hearings. On the surface you would think that the whole of Wiltshire was a completely futile waste of money because it could never be used to discipline GP because his contract of employment is based on a different set of rules.<br /><br />At the best the lawyers could have chewed it over till the cows came home. See what happens when you use imported semen.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-84061514530469183312010-07-16T10:26:46.770+01:002010-07-16T10:26:46.770+01:00Re "Although CPO Power, claims he never heard...Re "Although CPO Power, claims he never heard of the name "Operation Blast" until ILM came out with it. Was it ILM that codenamed it?"<br /><br />What I imagine happened is that the files were put on ILM's desk and as he started going through them he said to himself, "Wow! I now have dirt on all the politicians in Jersey. What a BLAST!"<br /><br />And the name stuck.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-27863451722168411962010-07-16T10:25:15.105+01:002010-07-16T10:25:15.105+01:00Give me over a million quid (probably closer to tw...Give me over a million quid (probably closer to two Million) and the best part of two years to scrutinize ANYBODY'S enquiry and i'll rip it apart.<br /><br />Let's think about ILM and Wiltshire. The Report's Terms of Reference, were based on UK guidelines, ACPO/NPIA. And ILM was happy to go along with that.<br /><br />But the disciplinary process for Chief Police Officers (Jersey) is, by ILM own admission, totally flawed and not fit for purpose! CPO Graham Power and his representative Dr Brain suggested, and offered to help finding a disciplinary code used as best practice in the UK, but good old "Skippy" refused to do this!<br /><br />In conclusion, ILM is happy to have a report done (for disciplinary purposes) based on UK standards. But when it comes to disciplining the Chief Officer, the UK standards, it would appear, are not good enough and would prefer to use a completeley not fit for purpose (by his own admission) disciplinary code of Jersey!<br /><br />BOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-9764765145394702852010-07-16T10:09:12.520+01:002010-07-16T10:09:12.520+01:00Yes, can't wait for them to publish the expens...Yes, can't wait for them to publish the expenses for everyone involved in the inquiry into the inquiry.<br /><br />Anyone know where the Wiltshire people have been staying in Jersey? Anyone know where Chapman stayed in Jersey and what his expenses were? <br /><br />Did they eat out in expensive Jersey restaurants? I hear that sauce for the goose tastes quite like sauce for the gander.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-3134884298991309182010-07-16T09:50:13.242+01:002010-07-16T09:50:13.242+01:00Who has the files, knowns as "Operation Blast...Who has the files, knowns as "Operation Blast"? Although CPO Power, claims he never heard of the name "Operation Blast" until ILM came out with it. Was it ILM that codenamed it?<br /><br />As to the question "who has these files now"? Well that brings up yet another, (what I believe could be), "bungle" in the Wiltshire investigation, which has been described as "a witch hunt".<br /><br />Before Wiltshire got involved, for obvious reasons, these files were a "for your eyes only" document(s) kept, we are led to believe, in a highly secure vault.<br /><br />So how many of the Wiltshire team have now seen them? How many of our (in no way corrupt, or incompedent) Law Officers have seen them,How many of our top Civil Servants have seen them? And has ILM seen them making his position as a politician untenable?<br /><br />Along with these questions and the expense incured by Wiltshire, and many other discrepencies, one could be led to believe the Wiltshire Report, is by a long chalk, worse than they claim the HDLG investigation ever was!voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-30648636214177365702010-07-16T08:59:20.288+01:002010-07-16T08:59:20.288+01:00Re "If ILM, or Wiltshire, think it is so bad ...Re "If ILM, or Wiltshire, think it is so bad for these files to be held, then why haven't either of them recommended/insisted these files be destroyed?"<br /><br />Who has them now? The last I heard was that Frank Walker had taken them abroad in the bilge of his yacht and was ordered to keep sailing around the Mediterranean and not stop until he becomes Foreign Minister, at which point they are all to be extraordinarily rendered to Whitehall in an information exchange with the Americans.<br /><br />When I was in Spain last summer, I met Frank Walker and he had all the files out on the deck of his boat and was leafing through them. When I stepped on board to introduce myself, he quickly gathered them up but not before I got a glimpse of Constable Crowcroft's file. Apparently he once wrote a haiku with too many syllables in it.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-40055340965055612702010-07-16T08:50:46.616+01:002010-07-16T08:50:46.616+01:00Rob.
If ILM, or Wiltshire, think it is so bad for...Rob.<br /><br />If ILM, or Wiltshire, think it is so bad for these files to be held, then why haven't either of them recommended/insisted these files be destroyed?<br /><br />I also believe, in the fullness of time, Graham Power's defense will find its way into the public domain and we could be talking of SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND words.<br /><br />Wonder how many of them will be printed in the JEP?voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-14828810646413803242010-07-16T08:42:59.476+01:002010-07-16T08:42:59.476+01:00Re "Also what is worth remembering is that th...Re "Also what is worth remembering is that these files were locked away in a safe place and it was vital that politicians never got to see them."<br /><br />All 53 politicians having dirty secrets is unlikely.<br /><br />For other politicians to see them it would imply a course of events like: politician X hears a rumour about politician Y and asks someone at police headquarters to look it up in their files. That would not be allowed anyway whether the files were in the normal records department or a locked cabinet in the CO's office.<br /><br />Also, the CO now has the keys to the blackmail box. Maybe on a small island where the police are subject to political interference that is a useful insurance policy. We just don't know.<br /><br />The alternative would be for the police to erase any information that doesn't lead to a charge. Is there a policeman out there who can tell us the normal course of events for when a report is received that comes to nothing? Is that information erased after a period of time or is it kept forever?<br /><br />If it is normally kept forever then having a special file just for politicians might be feasible. But if is normally disposed of after a few months (if no charges are brought), then to retain such information <b>only for politicians</b> worsens the situation.<br /><br />But I agree with you that it is totally unacceptable for ILM to be publicly discussing the whole subject when he knows that GP cannot defend himself because of confidentiality restrictions.<br /><br />I would like to hear what GP <b>really knows</b> about everyone in power in Jersey and the real explanation behind Operation Blast. Unfortunately, I doubt we ever will.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-4637364283276249602010-07-16T08:30:18.791+01:002010-07-16T08:30:18.791+01:00Re "As is explained in the "briefing not...Re "As is explained in the "briefing note" on the main text of this Blog posting, for security reasons Graham Power's defense is prohibited from becoming public.<br /><br />ILM knows/knew this, as do/did the "accredited" media, which further shows the Kangaroo trial by media that ILM has made of this."<br /><br />In which case, a better strategy would be for GP to just say that outright. That is, that should be his only public comments on the affair. But by giving the explanation he has given, he makes himself a hostage to partial interpretation.<br /><br />I am quite willing to believe the 'state within the state' argument because he has already mentioned it with regard to Ogley's conspiracy to get rid of Syvret, which GP refused to be a part of.<br /><br />But that means we are to assume that with regards to Operation Blast, he was happy to play his role in the 'secret state'.<br /><br />Whichever way you look at it - he did it off his own bat, or he did it at the behest or in collaboration with others - it looks bad. <br /><br />The police keeping files on all your elected politicians just isn't good, unless it is approved by law as a standard security measure.<br /><br />And if the special sensitivity of politicians on a small island (as GP claims) is applied, why stop at politicians? What about local business leader, civil servants, etc. On a small island, they are all equally liable to become the object of blackmail or leverage as a result of police 'information' leaking out.<br /><br />But none of this is abnormal in a Jersey context, unfortunately.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-90115238979161560382010-07-16T08:29:14.176+01:002010-07-16T08:29:14.176+01:00Rob.
Also what is worth remembering is that these...Rob.<br /><br />Also what is worth remembering is that these files were locked away in a safe place and it was vital that politicians never got to see them. If they did get to see them then they would have "dirt" on their rival politicians.<br /><br />Now that it appears ILM has seen all of this (and I stand to be corrected) then it could be argued that he is in a very strong position to be able to wield alot of power over any of his political opponents who have something to hide and is now in a position, should he be that way inclined, to influence, propositions, votes and indeed the entire decision making process of our government.<br /><br />I would argue that if ILM has seen ANY of these files then his position is now untenable.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-51160245769866477352010-07-16T08:15:59.011+01:002010-07-16T08:15:59.011+01:00Re "I think it is important to remember that ...Re "I think it is important to remember that Graham Power has submitted a THIRTEEN THOUSAND word response to the Operation Blast "allegations"."<br /><br />Yes, and it is a shame we cannot read that and his 62,000 word rebuttal of the Operation Rectangle inquiry.<br /><br />I'm just going on the evidence in the public domain but I am perfectly willing to believe that Walker and Ogley were aware, if not the architects, of Operation Blast.<br /><br />GP is fighting with one arm tied behind his back. Given that he has retired, it is wrong for the States to even reveal the content of the Wiltshire reports because it is like reading a charge sheet for someone who will never be tried. It is unfair.<br /><br />All I am saying is that GP's public statements on Operation Blast do not stack up with the evidence. But I am quite prepared to believe that we have not heard and will never hear all the evidence.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-42476394185738631712010-07-16T08:08:57.804+01:002010-07-16T08:08:57.804+01:00Just to exemplify my previous comment, I took this...Just to exemplify my previous comment, I took this from the Blast posting on Rico's blog. It's hard to tell whether this a quote from the Wiltshire report or the words of ILM, but that is probably irrelevant (note, my emphasis throughout):<br /><br />"<i>CO Power failed in performance of his duty as Data Controller and chief officer of police by allowing personal data on <b>all 53 politicians to be obtained and retained</b>, without a necessary, legitimate or lawful purpose , in contravention of the data protection ( jersey) law 2005 and associated guidance.<br /><br />The nature of the information which was kept is referred to in section 1.4. The files contain information collated as a result of politicians, usually in their private capacity, coming to the notice of jersey police in circumstances of legitimate concern <b>together with criminal record and other police intelligence checks</b>.</i>"<br /><br />Firstly, if it is true that they had files on all 53 politicians, it is highly unlikely that they gathered that information purely as a result of incidents being reported to them. I mean, I know you have a low opinion of your political class but I cannot believe that they are all on the wrong side of the law.<br /><br />Secondly, information was solicited from 'criminal record and other police intelligence checks'.<br /><br />So it does appear as if GP decided to proceed with his own vetting system in defiance of the wishes of the States.Rob Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019654918054950571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-45221939417335116322010-07-16T08:04:37.561+01:002010-07-16T08:04:37.561+01:00Rob.
I think it is important to remember that Gra...Rob.<br /><br />I think it is important to remember that Graham Power has submitted a THIRTEEN THOUSAND word response to the Operation Blast "allegations".<br /><br />Although Ian "Skippy" Le Marquand's "prosecution case" has gone into over-kill by our "accredited" media, Graham Power has only been given a couple of minutes air-time here and there.<br /><br />As is explained in the "briefing note" on the main text of this Blog posting, for security reasons Graham Power's defense is prohibited from becoming public.<br /><br />ILM knows/knew this, as do/did the "accredited" media, which further shows the Kangaroo trial by media that ILM has made of this.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.com