tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post2029409304271157671..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: Bob Key And "The Jersey Way."voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger149125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-75533450162336302362013-03-24T22:17:32.502+00:002013-03-24T22:17:32.502+00:00In July 2008 HG made her complaint against EY.
T...In July 2008 HG made her complaint against EY. <br /><br />Then in December 2008 the Dean R.K. says that E.Y. had been spoken to about the fact he is too tactile, stands too close to women, touches too much/inappropriately. His manner was deemed to be inappropriate to such an extent that he was chaperoned within the church when in close proximity to women. This was an informal but explicit policy of the parish and at interview the Dean of Jersey acknowledged that it was known to him.<br /><br />Knowing of the complaint by HG in July and further incidents the policy was to chaperone EK? Unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-11296400583638211462013-03-20T20:58:14.303+00:002013-03-20T20:58:14.303+00:00Both the victim (HG) and I both have one thing in ...Both the victim (HG) and I both have one thing in common. We both have suffered from mental illnesses and we have both in different whys suffered from the Dean's lack of caring. When I was hospitalised for 3 months with a severe breakdown, I was a member of the Town Church and the Dean never visited me once in all that time. Whoever it was who claimed that the Dean is compassionate needs to buy a new dictionary and recheck the meaning of the word. It would be wonderful if not miraculous (anything is possible with God's help) if the Dean and all his other Anglican friends were to focus on the woes of the real victim who seems to have disappeared into a black hole. We will just wait and see.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11892663216925104048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-31772419081360527452013-03-19T16:31:07.207+00:002013-03-19T16:31:07.207+00:00The people who do this abuse to others - they don&...The people who do this abuse to others - they don't care do they about the heartbreak they inflict? They don't understand how it is to be a decent human being - not in any way at all. There are no means that they won't use and no levels they won't stoop to. However back in the late 1970s when I was a very little girl I remember being told there was no hope - and now some of my abusers are facing justice. Justice? Do I get my childhood back? I remember the cold, the dark and the fear in Haut de la Garenne in the cellars being locked up for "defying them" - and I remember them laughing saying that they would get away with everything - well at least they've been knocked back somewhat. I will not let them destroy me - and as long as I have breath in my body I will not be bad like them. Well done all the good people here fighting back - and maintaining your humanity - and thank you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-37678746862358792682013-03-19T14:46:39.900+00:002013-03-19T14:46:39.900+00:00If the dean had been open with Bishop Tim, it woul...If the dean had been open with Bishop Tim, it would not have been necessary to suspend him and we would not have all his Anglica cronies running around obtaining legal advice with a view to protecting him. There are too many unanswered questions, such as the name of the magistrate, the name of the church where the victim allegedly suffered the abuse and the name of the chuchwarden involved. I fear a big cover-up. Unless we can have 100% transparency, the church of England,s reputation in Jersey will be damaged for a long time. Good work by the Bp of Winchester and good luck to the Bp of Chelmsford with the investigation. I do not like the the Dean personally, but lets see some proper justiceAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11892663216925104048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-60829677931987480942013-03-19T13:27:37.125+00:002013-03-19T13:27:37.125+00:00When are we going to be told which Jersey anglican...When are we going to be told which Jersey anglican chuch was involved in this case not to mention the name of the "hands-on" churhwarden? We can rule out Trinity, St Saviours and presumambly St Helier. That leaves a lot of churches to choose from. Do not the public have a right to be told or is this part of a big cover up. I am praying for the anglican church in Jesey.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11892663216925104048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-54705008794144701582013-03-19T09:04:48.618+00:002013-03-19T09:04:48.618+00:00Yes, credit to Gary Burgess for helping to keep so...Yes, credit to Gary Burgess for helping to keep some focus on the alleged victim. Knowing "The Jersey Way" it is only a matter of time before the Dean is portrayed as the victim and HG is portrayed as the perpetrator.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-62640074250509360142013-03-18T22:16:28.181+00:002013-03-18T22:16:28.181+00:00Looks like they have agreed a way forward from the...Looks like they have agreed a way forward from the article below<br /><br />http://winchester.anglican.org/news/story/853/<br /><br />This follows Bishop Tim’s visit to Jersey over the weekend, where he held productive discussions with island authorities on the steps he would be taking and together they agreed a way forward.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-77564972952161937112013-03-18T21:17:25.754+00:002013-03-18T21:17:25.754+00:00Thanks for the update from Peter Ould - I didn'...Thanks for the update from Peter Ould - I didn't realise the position was so complicated. I have lost respect for the church top brass over this - not a word of compassion for the victim. The only person I have seen do this apart from Bishop Tim is Gary Burgess from Channel TV!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-86036533531681704612013-03-18T20:41:10.112+00:002013-03-18T20:41:10.112+00:00A very informative, and interesting update on this...A very informative, and interesting update on this story has been published by Peter Ould and can be read <a href="http://www.peter-ould.net/2013/03/18/jersey-lines-of-authority/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-43253106662582538022013-03-18T19:24:18.830+00:002013-03-18T19:24:18.830+00:00I have been troubled by this story since it broke,...I have been troubled by this story since it broke, moreso now that the Jersey clergy are 'consulting' lawyers. This begs the question why?<br /><br />At no stage in all this has there been any sort of remorse shown towards the alleged victim by these very churchmen and women. Again - why?<br /><br />I am very uncomfortable with all this, and does this show that, as with the Establishment, they also wish to be a law unto themselves. Enough to drive hordes away from their church doors methinks.<br /><br />No small surprise that it makes people think (perhaps wrongly) that there is more to this than meets the eye.GeeGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531524441316755129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17582228714539996922013-03-18T19:09:45.366+00:002013-03-18T19:09:45.366+00:00Perhaps only comment in support of our immaculate ...Perhaps only comment in support of our immaculate Dean were permitted by the JEP<br />& Who is paying for all this legal advice which does not come cheap ?????<br /><br />on<br />http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/03/18/church-leaders-in-crisis-talks/<br />My comment was NOT published & they then closed comments section.<br /><br />=========================<br /><br />Hats off to the C of E for making a brave stand in this difficult area. <br /><br />My understanding from the church report is that it was the Dean's obstruction of the enquiry that made his suspension doubly justified and hence unavoidable.<br /><br />Lessons learned, I doubt it.<br /><br />========================<br /><br />It is a relief that in another sad re-run of the HDLG saga the lawyers are going to be OK<br /><br />Fess up like a man RKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-58926892851215981222013-03-18T18:35:54.162+00:002013-03-18T18:35:54.162+00:00What is the problem here ?. The issue is "abu...What is the problem here ?. The issue is "abuse". The Dean has been suspended on a neutral act whilst a full investigation can commence. The Full investigation will either condemn or exonerate him. Why are the church consulting lawyers?. Is there something much larger at issue like the jersey church are untouchable or a cover-up is in operation to prevent further information being disclosed. <br />I am amazed at the position of the church leaders in the island, they should be showing some remorse for the abused victim and not closing ranks. I hope the lawyers fees are coming from their own pockets and not through the congregation. <br />The message they are sending out is if you are abused do not come to the church as we will sweep everything under the carpet and further abuse you by way of criminal record.<br />The fact is we are talking about "abuse" and not constitutional crap that has deflected the whole issue.<br />RK needs to state he's position as fully innocent or had made mistakes with the abuse victim. <br />I would give him some respect if he in some way justified he's position with errors and showed full symphony for the victim. But I very much doubt we will get anything and now lawyers advising. This will drag on for weeks and die once the next big story comes on the scene.<br />RK, it is not too late to become a true Christian and accept your failings with an apology to the abuse victim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-75844190273963708692013-03-18T16:21:19.314+00:002013-03-18T16:21:19.314+00:00Still no news about THE VICTIM!Still no news about <a href="http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2013/03/dean-of-jersey-suspension-lawyers-enter.html" rel="nofollow">THE VICTIM!</a>Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-27086295820600742022013-03-18T15:13:28.381+00:002013-03-18T15:13:28.381+00:00Some very good points and a well recognised formul...Some very good points and a well recognised formula.<br /><br />As mentioned before, here we have a woman who has alleged abuse and followed the correct channels, in Jersey, to report that alleged abuse and hold those responsible to account. <br /><br />She was active in the church, had good employment, voluntary roles and no police record. She ended up penniless, homeless and deported from the island with a police record.<br /><br />Who, in the media, or elsewhere, is talking about the victim or the alleged abuse? Who is supporting her or her rights/wellbeing?<br /><br />The well recognised formula used by the media is once more diverted from Abuse or victim, just as it was with the Haut de la Garenne abuse. The media wanted everybody to talk about how much Lenny Harper spent on a prawn cocktail in a London Restaurant or air flights, coconuts (containing 1.6% only found in mammals) and such like. Diverting attention away from DECADES of abuse that was able to carry on over here.<br /><br />Now we have the media talking about constitutional issues and the rights of Bob Key and the like. As the previous commenter has said, what about the alleged victim in all of this? Is her alleged abuser still in a position to harm others? Was the alleged victim represented in court when she was bound over to leave the island? Has relief magistrate Falle been asked to comment on ANY of this?<br /><br />Shouldn't we, as a society, be looking to safeguard the alleged victim's rights before discussing those who allegedly failed her?voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-65012854068214861812013-03-18T14:48:58.716+00:002013-03-18T14:48:58.716+00:00So the issue is becoming a constitutional question...So the issue is becoming a constitutional question as predicted. Shades of the Prison Board Case. Who has authority to sack the Dean? Ignored all this will the abuse suffered by the woman HG and the role of the Dean therein. Ignored also is the role of the Magistrates’ Court in deporting a woman with serious mental health issues having been crushed by the JerseyWay. <br /><br />See how the agenda is being redirected. It should be familiar to those that followed the cover up after HDLG. The Public, devoted as they are to their island, are having that patriotism manipulated to the interest of the elite.<br /><br />The issue is being made constitutional by the Jersey government deliberately. If they loose on this one it will jeopardise the well laid plan for Jersey becoming independent. That is why it is an important issue. They may not have expected to be drawn to battle on this ground, but they have sought to fight.<br /><br />Will Bob Key sit in the States tomorrow pretending to be the Dean? The States may have to expel Mr Key as he has no status should he appear. Would he be such a Cock? To do so would be an act of war in defiance of the Bishop of Winchester whose subordinate he is. Which is the higher authority that of the Church or the Jersey State driven by its phoney Nationalism?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-10964734039405383612013-03-16T17:54:17.578+00:002013-03-16T17:54:17.578+00:00'Since the founding of Freemasonry, many Bisho...'Since the founding of Freemasonry, many Bishops of the Church of England have been Freemasons, such as Archbishop Geoffrey Fisher. In the past, few members of the Church of England would have seen any incongruity in concurrently adhering to Anglican Christianity and practicing Freemasonry. In recent decades, however, reservations about Freemasonry have increased within Anglicanism, perhaps due to the increasing prominence of the evangelical wing of the church. The current Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, appears to harbour some reservations about Masonic ritual, whilst being anxious to avoid causing offence to Freemasons inside and outside the Church of England. In 2003 he felt it necessary to apologise to British Freemasons after he said that their beliefs were incompatible with Christianity and that he had barred the appointment of Freemasons to senior posts in his diocese when he was Bishop of Monmouth'<br /><br />Indeed Lorna there is no cut and dried directive within the CoE about the clergy and freemasonry.<br /><br />It would seem from comments on this thread that the present (suspended) Dean is not altogether popular. My long-standing thoughts of him are the fact that until 2 days before his suspension was announced he has not spoken out either in the States or in public about the child abuse issues. As a man of the cloth I would have expected him to show more compassion, a virtue he seems not to have in any circumstance.<br /><br />I am not a churchgoer, but would expect that those who are would expect far more from the man who is the head of the Church of England in Jersey. He does not seem to support the values that as a Christian he should.GeeGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531524441316755129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-61215128438898535922013-03-16T16:27:57.496+00:002013-03-16T16:27:57.496+00:00My husband had been a regular worshiper at the Tow...My husband had been a regular worshiper at the Town Church for many years, when, in 2006, he became very ill with Bipolar Affective Disorder, and as a result was hospitalised out at Orchard House for 3 months. To my husband's dismay, in all that time,the Dean never went near my husband who desperately felt he needed a visit from a caring Rector. It wasn't that the Dean and his wife didn't know, but sadly the Dean was NOT a caring Rector and couldn't be bothered to visit him, Neither my husbnd nor I can either forget or forgive this, with the result that neither of us still go to the Town Church.CKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-92152040064413519722013-03-15T22:27:18.596+00:002013-03-15T22:27:18.596+00:00Anonymous wrote "Surely the Dean of Jersey ca...Anonymous wrote "Surely the Dean of Jersey can't be a Freemason. That must be a huge conflict to his beliefs if so and impossible to reconcile with Christianity."<br /><br />There are Freemasons in every walk of life and I have known of a few high-ranking clergymen who were Freemasons though as a Christian myself I cannot see how they can reconcile this with their beliefs.<br /><br />LornaLorna Savagenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-38385914799184179462013-03-14T22:21:04.188+00:002013-03-14T22:21:04.188+00:00Surely the Dean of Jersey can't be a Freemason...Surely the Dean of Jersey can't be a Freemason. That must be a huge conflict to his beliefs if so and impossible to reconcile with Christianity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-55552297349092346742013-03-14T21:56:59.444+00:002013-03-14T21:56:59.444+00:00Referen-dumb - the case for ignoring the whole thi...<a href="http://crapaudpinion.blogspot.com/2013/03/referen-dumb.html" rel="nofollow">Referen-dumb - the case for ignoring the whole thing</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-34522445123357698442013-03-14T21:33:54.030+00:002013-03-14T21:33:54.030+00:00It makes you wonder if the Chief Minister, The Bis...It makes you wonder if the Chief Minister, The Bishop of Winchester, or even the suspended Dean, have cared to enquire on this vulnerable woman's, present well being?! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-20229809755271286302013-03-14T21:12:25.639+00:002013-03-14T21:12:25.639+00:00To Anonymous at 20.26 yes, that's right, Clerg...To Anonymous at 20.26 yes, that's right, Clergy costs in all otherparishes are met by the C of E - I don't know about St Helier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-21126046360870084892013-03-14T20:26:48.365+00:002013-03-14T20:26:48.365+00:00There have been a number of useful contributions t...There have been a number of useful contributions to the blog which have helped our understanding of what is apparently a constitutional and legal conflict around just who is responsible for the Church of England in Jersey and who holds its Clergy to account. For what it is worth I believe that the ratepayers of St Helier have some legal responsibility towards maintaining one of the Churches. I do not know the position in other parishes. Someone may be able to help with this. However, I am also fairly certain that the salaries and pensions of the Jersey Clergy are met by the Church of England and not the Jersey Taxpayer. If that is the case then that might be a clue as to the probable outcome of this apparent conflict. The words "piper" and "tune" come to mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-16310820882924978352013-03-14T20:02:04.537+00:002013-03-14T20:02:04.537+00:00Senator Gorst says:
We are saddened to learn that...Senator Gorst says:<br /><br />We are saddened to learn that a vulnerable woman who came to Jersey suffered while living here and we very much regret that she was adversely affected by events during her time here. This is a matter that should be resolved by the Church<br /><br />Actually no Chief Minister, it should be you and the local justice department. Not the external Church Of England to investigate this very local/Jersey Way episode. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-81415030092303553682013-03-14T17:56:07.628+00:002013-03-14T17:56:07.628+00:00'Held in high regard by Jersey's faith com...'Held in high regard by Jersey's faith community'?! Not by me, he isn't!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com