tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post2721622007107949539..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: A Snapshot of Jersey Justice/Administration.voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-53246930761083239442014-08-25T23:46:04.953+01:002014-08-25T23:46:04.953+01:00I think Anne Pryke did have a relevant role at the...I think Anne Pryke did have a relevant role at the time. I believe that she was on a committee to see what to do with HDLG, which had lain empty and unused for so long. She was on that committee because she was a deputy and because she was chair iirc of the Trinity Youth Club at the time.<br /><br />Maybe someone else could do some investigative work and confirm this. Surely this ad hoc States committee should leave some trace on the States website?<br /><br />Sorry I have had a look at the States site myself, the Jersey Youth Hostel was running from 2004. So the above information, although it reveals a connection which she had, can hardly be relevant to gaining access in 2008Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-85814440310622550472013-07-28T21:24:24.217+01:002013-07-28T21:24:24.217+01:00It's all falling apart for our halfwits, and a...It's all falling apart for our halfwits, and at a rapid rate of knots :)Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-76505827500679913002013-07-28T21:18:05.967+01:002013-07-28T21:18:05.967+01:00It's all here in P147 of 2002
http://www.stat...It's all here in P147 of 2002<br /><br /><a href="http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/Pages/Propositions.aspx?documentref=P.147%2f2002&Navigator1=sojmdyearnavigator&Modifier1=2002" rel="nofollow">http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/Pages/Propositions.aspx?documentref=P.147%2f2002&Navigator1=sojmdyearnavigator&Modifier1=2002</a><br /><br />Interestingly, the trustees are accountable to the Planning Committee, now Planning MinisterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-53108006924142068082013-07-28T18:03:34.712+01:002013-07-28T18:03:34.712+01:00If Ann Pryke was the Vice Chair, it would be inter...If Ann Pryke was the Vice Chair, it would be interesting to know who the Chair was/is and indeed who the members are.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-46183342095182616442013-07-28T17:49:02.966+01:002013-07-28T17:49:02.966+01:00Ok, so now we know about the Haut de la Garenne Tr...Ok, so now we know about the Haut de la Garenne Trust, which was set up in 2002 to manage the building as a youth hostel. Nothing to see there folks.<br /><br />http://www.jerseylaw.je/Law/display.aspx?url=lawsinforce/htm/LawFiles/2003/L-01-2003.htm<br /><br />As recent events show us, States members sometimes wear different hats and imperceptibly slip in and out of each role, without wearing a badge to tell you what role they are currently fulfilling. Trustee, states member, passer by, take your pick!<br /><br />What does it all mean for the accuracy of ILM's answer though?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-33217264300975236962013-07-28T16:47:50.918+01:002013-07-28T16:47:50.918+01:00I just rejected a comment by accident so here it i...I just rejected a comment by accident so here it is below.<br /><br />As of 15th - 18th May deputy Pryke Assistant Minister Planning and the Environment<br /><br />http://creativestoreys.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JerseyNewsletter2008.pdf page 3voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17911747976585723972013-07-28T16:37:05.826+01:002013-07-28T16:37:05.826+01:00http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyDeclarati...http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyDeclarationsOfInterest/Pryke%20A.pdf <br />the above shows Deputy Pryke Vice Chair Haute de la Garenne Trust Though no dates given.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-80145775922653713282013-07-28T15:52:02.965+01:002013-07-28T15:52:02.965+01:00Thank you. The incisive words of Lenny Harper are ...Thank you. The incisive words of Lenny Harper are always a pleasure to read. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-15473060522988340922013-07-28T15:08:21.355+01:002013-07-28T15:08:21.355+01:00The quote is from today. Mr. Harper is having trou...The quote is from today. Mr. Harper is having trouble leaving comments and, after a request, emailed it to me. I believe the information might have been posted previously and, like yourself, not sure it was in as much detail, so would say that there is a good chance today's comment is the most detailed to date.<br /><br />I can't recall what position (if any) Deputy Pryke held in 2008 that would give her any legitimate reason to be demanding access to HDLG. Perhaps Mr. Harper, or any reader, could help with this?voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-46683688710711137092013-07-28T14:48:40.937+01:002013-07-28T14:48:40.937+01:00Dear VFC and Lenny,
Thanks for the clarification....Dear VFC and Lenny,<br /><br />Thanks for the clarification. It is very much appreciated.<br /><br />Can you tell me, the above quote at 11:56am beginning "On 19th February at 3pm..." - is that a new quote today, or a copy/paste from a previous blog? I am aware of similar information being published on past blogs but can't remember reading such detail. Is my memory going, or is this new, more detailed, information, being provided for the first time today?<br /><br />What was Anne Pryke's political role in February 2008? I know she was (and still is) Deputy of Trinity. HDLG is in St Martin. She was not Health Minister back then; it was Shenton and Perchard back then. Did she have a political role in Education, Sport and Leisure, perhaps as Assistant Minister? Or was it Planning, or Property Holdings? What was the political context?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-7999886025086721912013-07-28T12:28:39.787+01:002013-07-28T12:28:39.787+01:00So it would appear that the Home Affairs Minister,...So it would appear that the Home Affairs Minister, has once more, misled parliament. Not only by what we have just learnt from Mr. Harper concerning Deputy Pryke and Danny Wherry but if one looks at the so-called "answer" from the Home Affairs Minister to Deputy Pitman's <a href="http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyQuestions/2013/Deputy%20T%20Pitman%20to%20HA%20re%20Clarifying%20allegations%20in%20respect%20of%20Historic%20Child%20Abuse.pdf" rel="nofollow">QUESTION</a> you will not3 that Senator Le Marquand also states; <br /><br />"The premises were used for the Bergerac series for about 7 years after they had ceased to be used as a Children’s Home."<br /><br />That isn't true either ("after they had ceased to be used as a Children’s Home") as this will help demonstrate;<br /><br />"The Haut de la Garenne complex, the scene of horrific physical and sexual abuse, was used by the BBC in the popular television drama to depict the Bureau des Etrangers, a fictional department of the Jersey police.<br /><br />It had previously been thought the BBC filmed there only after the home closed in 1986, but victims and production figures have told the Sunday Express that crew and cast, including star John Nettles who played Detective Sergeant Jim Bergerac, were there at least a year earlier.<br /><br />As published <a href="http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2013/06/haut-dela-garenne-bergerac-operation.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-10853612582896265492013-07-28T11:56:58.659+01:002013-07-28T11:56:58.659+01:00The comment below is from Lenny Harper, former Sen...The comment below is from Lenny Harper, former Senior Investigating Officer of the Jersey child abuse investigation (Operation Rectangle). Hope it answers the question(s) above........Told you Ann Pryke could have been a little more helpful. Still, she's got the support of Esther Rantzen!<br /><br /><br />"On 19th February at 3pm Ann Pryke attended HDLG. I was asked to go to the entrance by officers on security duty there. Pryke was demanding entry and a full update on our activities. She was complaining loudly that we had not pre-informed her of our entry to HDLG. I told her it was police business and she should leave. The following day the Chief Minister Frank Walker e mailed Graham Power who passed the e mail to myself. Walker stated that he wanted Pryke fully updated and told of any discoveries. He was told "no" in firm terms and given a number of reasons why it would not be happening. He was also warned that all approaches such as his would be recorded and would be disclosable.<br />At 5.30pm that day (20th Feb) Danny Wherry turned up at HDLG and demanded entry to recover some items he had left there previously. He was refused and told to leave as it was a potential crime scene.<br />I am somewhat surprised at Mr Le Marquand's reply for two reasons. Firstly, both visits are recorded on the official security log for the scene, and the e mail from Frank Walker will also be logged. Secondly, there are a number of officers still serving with the force who could confirm the visits. The Home Affairs Minister needs to do his homework! Lenny"voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-847524487645018882013-07-28T10:37:23.907+01:002013-07-28T10:37:23.907+01:00If Mr. Harper is able to comment I'm sure he w...If Mr. Harper is able to comment I'm sure he will.<br /><br />As for "I am not interested in Kevin Lewis. It is well known that he assisted the investigation." <br /><br />Deputy Kevin Lewis was not as helpful as you might <a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2010/09/im-jersey-politiciankeep-me-in-here.html" rel="nofollow">THINK</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-21513051797456327562013-07-28T09:36:09.125+01:002013-07-28T09:36:09.125+01:00"Question
Can the Minister inform members wh..."Question<br /><br />Can the Minister inform members whether, in the early stages of the historic child abuse investigation, both a current States Member and an individual still employed by the States and himself facing a number of allegation relating to abuse, went to Haut de la Garenne and attempted to gain access past the Police cordon stating that they needed to collect/remove personal material? <br /><br />Answer<br /><br />The States of Jersey Police have no formal record of any such visit by either party and with the passage of time, <b>there is no-one still serving within the States of Jersey Police who is able to confirm that any such visit took place. </b>"<br /><br />I really am interested to know what former Senior Investigating Officer Lenny Harper has to say about this, particularly the "current States Member...stating that they needed to collect/remove personal material".<br /><br />I am not interested in Kevin Lewis. It is well known that he assisted the investigation, given his experience as location manager of the site during filming of the Bergerac TV series. That is a total red herring, introduced into the answer as a typical piece of Jersey-way obfuscation.<br /><br />We know from experience that ILM is adept at using words and phrases that give a very narrow legal meaning. The question was not about whether there is anyone <b>still serving</b> within the police who can confirm that any such visit took place. The written question was about whether the visit took place or not, and what evidence ILM has about this from ANY source.<br /><br />May I suggest a way forwards, to clear this up once and for all? If Mr Harper is aware of information that could help the Minister answer this question in more detail, then I suggest that Mr Harper writes to the Minister and Deputy Trevor Pitman, providing whatever information he has. Then perhaps the question will be asked again. The public of Jersey have a right to know what really happened, or didn't happen as the case may be. It's called the truth, and we want to know what it is.<br /><br />Or is Mr Harper prevented from directly commenting, as to do so would cause him to breach rules by which he is still bound?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-36827829499413397612013-07-28T08:29:05.464+01:002013-07-28T08:29:05.464+01:00Ironically enough Ann Pryke could have been very h...Ironically enough Ann Pryke could have been very helpful in answering that question but chose to remain silent. Yet according to Esther Rantzen "Anne [Pryke] has been quite brilliant in speaking to everyone involved."voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-29128703309519388562013-07-28T08:17:46.498+01:002013-07-28T08:17:46.498+01:00Coming from a woman who turned a blind eye to a pr...Coming from a woman who turned a blind eye to a predatory paedophile who clearly hasn't studied Ann Pryke's voting record and being published in the disgraced Jersey Evening Post doesn't give the article any credibility.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-42472862809026730102013-07-27T23:17:50.972+01:002013-07-27T23:17:50.972+01:00Properly protected?Properly protected?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-35367851388346786062013-07-27T19:42:24.354+01:002013-07-27T19:42:24.354+01:00Same three mainland QC's....but very different...Same three mainland QC's....but very different <a href="http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2013/07/curtis-warren-corruption-continues.html" rel="nofollow">JUSTICE</a>Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-65733742549213746362013-07-27T18:34:54.770+01:002013-07-27T18:34:54.770+01:00We still don't have a proper answer to this qu...We still don't have a proper answer to this question about HDLG, do we? Would Lenny Harper care to comment on Ian Le Marquand's answer?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyQuestions/2013/Deputy%20T%20Pitman%20to%20HA%20re%20Clarifying%20allegations%20in%20respect%20of%20Historic%20Child%20Abuse.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyQuestions/2013/Deputy%20T%20Pitman%20to%20HA%20re%20Clarifying%20allegations%20in%20respect%20of%20Historic%20Child%20Abuse.pdf</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-32801894078265398942013-07-27T18:31:23.564+01:002013-07-27T18:31:23.564+01:00Esther Rantzen on page 11 of today's JEP Sat 2...Esther Rantzen on page 11 of today's JEP Sat 27 July 2013, on the subject of the States' treatment of the Island's most vulnerable adults and children.<br /><br />"They are properly protected and Anne [Pryke] has been quite brilliant in speaking to everyone involved...I think it is clear to everyone that she cares."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-38550945213189758992013-07-26T22:24:10.730+01:002013-07-26T22:24:10.730+01:00Good gravy! More SECRET COURT HEARINGSGood gravy! More <a href="http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2013/07/three-ju-rats-reinstate-sacked-cop-in.html" rel="nofollow">SECRET COURT HEARINGS</a>Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-87000575448347063172013-07-24T13:55:05.905+01:002013-07-24T13:55:05.905+01:00I had very little confidence In Esther Rantzen bef...I had very little confidence In Esther Rantzen before the Jimmy Savile revelations. I have even less now. It would not surprise me if she knows exactly what's going on in Jersey and how much danger our children are still in but chooses to turn a blind eye, as she did with Savile, to keep her celebrity status and funding.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-72463843949090177832013-07-24T13:43:41.117+01:002013-07-24T13:43:41.117+01:00Yes that is very sad news and I wish Sally Bradley...Yes that is very sad news and I wish Sally Bradley a full and speedy recovery. Let's also hope that a suitable replacement can be found of the same calibre and integrity to Chair the Committee Of Inquiry. voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-15681003819808288622013-07-24T13:31:15.366+01:002013-07-24T13:31:15.366+01:00You seen this?
http://www.channelonline.tv/channe...You seen this?<br /><br />http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline_jerseynews/displayarticle.asp?id=506373Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-7816538063251406762013-07-24T08:51:15.216+01:002013-07-24T08:51:15.216+01:00Esther Rantzen is over here today. After her appea...Esther Rantzen is over here today. After <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCkodPZnaWA" rel="nofollow">her appearance on Newsnight where Stuart showed up Frank</a>, it would be great if you could track her down and tell her that nothing has really changed over here, the Jersey Cover-Up Way is still as vile as it ever was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com