tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post4587702677313368928..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: Napier - Initial observations from Graham Power QPM.voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-25393017487014934202010-10-14T14:13:21.852+01:002010-10-14T14:13:21.852+01:00What is the point?
Its being put to bed now becau...What is the point?<br /><br />Its being put to bed now because its over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-13680731763696720122010-10-11T04:33:42.635+01:002010-10-11T04:33:42.635+01:00Napier says ,,, 15 '... Mr Power refers to a m...Napier says ,,, 15 '... Mr Power refers to a meeting in July 2007 of<br />the Corporate Management Board at which he was encouraged to participate in a “vote of no confidence” against the then Minister of Health. He declined<br />to do so, and refers to this as being his “first noteworthy experience of the formation of an ‘inner circle’ of politicised senior civil servants loyal to the<br />Chief Minister.” Amongst that group he numbered the Chief Executive, Mr Bill Ogley and the head of Human Resources, Mr Ian Crich. Mr Power also makes an allegation that the Chief Executive spoke, in a meeting held on 24 October 2008, in a way that he interpreted as “a further indication of the ‘in crowd’ closing ranks against the ‘threat’ of the abuse enquiry.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-79630665391779438682010-10-10T10:32:33.867+01:002010-10-10T10:32:33.867+01:00If the original 'interim' report was, as w...If the original 'interim' report was, as we now know, merely a page or so submitted by a civilian member of staff, is it likely that it would have contained sensitive material such as the names of victims? This now smells like an excuse on Warcup's behalf to stop people seeing the document and realising its true lack of worth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-90791895246852961282010-10-10T09:18:29.253+01:002010-10-10T09:18:29.253+01:00We can now see what was happining leading up to th...We can now see what was happining leading up to the suspension but we must not forget what happened subsequently.<br />TLS has cost this island a fortune<br />either by his mismanagement or by continuing the conspiracy,take your pick, yes I will use that term for in my opinion that is what took place.<br />ILM backed Warcup who has now been<br />shown to be heavily conflicted and insrtumental in "shafting" his boss.They should both resign they are either incompetent or corrupt <br />Hypocrites who tell us the tax paying public that we must tighten our belts and accept cuts to essential public services yet squander valuable resources.VFC has anyone worked out how much this has cost?<br />I am so angry bring on the elections!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-65330950098522389892010-10-10T01:31:38.323+01:002010-10-10T01:31:38.323+01:00Part3
So what we have been looking at is differen...Part3<br /><br />So what we have been looking at is different possibilities which are canvassed for you now to try and get around the difficulty. One of the difficulties is to try and persuade the Metropolitan Police to produce a redacted, reduced version of the report which would only effectively make reference to the matters which related to management structures and so on, and not to individual cases. But I am not sure whether they are going to agree to do that because there is a second difficulty which I will be absolutely open with you about, which is this, and it is a relationship issue in relation to the States of Jersey Police and the Metropolitan Police who are not entirely happy that a report was produced for a particular purpose and is now going to be involved for a different purpose. But let me see if I can ... if it was not referred to in the letters it would not be in play at all.moral-rightnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-45433763978217359092010-10-10T01:31:17.620+01:002010-10-10T01:31:17.620+01:00Part2
In fact, even ILM did not look at it as he w...Part2<br />In fact, even ILM did not look at it as he was advised not to by the (SG?) Law Officers, so no advice from the AG then!<br />GP - SUSPENSION REVIEW MEETING<br /><br />Senator B.I. Le Marquand:<br />There is no issue with those, but we must make sure you get those. This is the sensitive area. The sensitive area is that in his letter which you have not seen Mr. Warcup makes reference partly to the Metropolitan Police report of which you are both aware. I have not seen that report, and indeed the previous Minister did not see that report, and the reason for that is because that report contains highly sensitive information regarding individual cases, naming potential offenders, victims, et cetera et cetera. Now my advisors do not want me to see that report because of that sort of sensitive information but I am aware that because reference has been made to it in Mr. Warcup's letter that it not unreasonable that Mr. Power or yourself or some representatives, which in this case might not include lawyers because of the very sensitive area, be able to see the report and to check that in fact that which has been quoted from it has been accurately quoted. This is sensitive because even my own advisors do not want me to see it, I believe for good reasons, because I am not an operational police officer and I am the Home Affairs Minister. What we have been looking at, and this has again been a reason which has slightly delayed the responses in other matters, is mechanisms for dealing with the difficulty of it containing information which frankly is not relevant directly because only the information which is referred to by Mr. Warcup in his letter is really relevant.moral-rightnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-72080998940442130962010-10-10T01:30:05.648+01:002010-10-10T01:30:05.648+01:00Part2
In fact, even ILM did not look at it as he w...Part2<br />In fact, even ILM did not look at it as he was advised not to by the (SG?) Law Officers, so no advice from the AG then!<br />GP - SUSPENSION REVIEW MEETING<br /><br />Senator B.I. Le Marquand:<br />There is no issue with those, but we must make sure you get those. This is the sensitive area. The sensitive area is that in his letter which you have not seen Mr. Warcup makes reference partly to the Metropolitan Police report of which you are both aware. I have not seen that report, and indeed the previous Minister did not see that report, and the reason for that is because that report contains highly sensitive information regarding individual cases, naming potential offenders, victims, et cetera et cetera. Now my advisors do not want me to see that report because of that sort of sensitive information but I am aware that because reference has been made to it in Mr. Warcup's letter that it not unreasonable that Mr. Power or yourself or some representatives, which in this case might not include lawyers because of the very sensitive area, be able to see the report and to check that in fact that which has been quoted from it has been accurately quoted. This is sensitive because even my own advisors do not want me to see it, I believe for good reasons, because I am not an operational police officer and I am the Home Affairs Minister. What we have been looking at, and this has again been a reason which has slightly delayed the responses in other matters, is mechanisms for dealing with the difficulty of it containing information which frankly is not relevant directly because only the information which is referred to by Mr. Warcup in his letter is really relevant. So what we have been looking at is different possibilities which are canvassed for you now to try and get around the difficulty. One of the difficulties is to try and persuade the Metropolitan Police to produce a redacted, reduced version of the report which would only effectively make reference to the matters which related to management structures and so on, and not to individual cases. But I am not sure whether they are going to agree to do that because there is a second difficulty which I will be absolutely open with you about, which is this, and it is a relationship issue in relation to the States of Jersey Police and the Metropolitan Police who are not entirely happy that a report was produced for a particular purpose and is now going to be involved for a different purpose. But let me see if I can ... if it was not referred to in the letters it would not be in play at all.moral-rightnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-18232529065963218002010-10-10T01:29:31.096+01:002010-10-10T01:29:31.096+01:00Part1
So the first person who should be discipli...Part1<br /><br />So the first person who should be disciplined must be Warcup, for not telling anyone that the Interim Report was heavily qualified, I can only guess he did not tell anyone because he wanted Graham Power suspended to speed up his promotion, why else would he not disclose to anyone the qualifications! As no-one else saw the document, nobody knew that it was not sufficient, although the SG was very perceptive, perhaps he should have liaised with his AG as he was advising that nobody should look at it!. <br /><br /><br />NAPIER REPORT:<br />72. I cannot see that a report as qualified in its contents as was the Interim Report meets the stringent tests which were identified as appropriate (rightly, in my own opinion) in the advice from the Solicitor General’s office on 11 November 2008 before any act of suspension should take place. In my view the concerns quite properly flagged up by the Solicitor General with regard to the act of suspension in his advice of 6 and 11 November were not given sufficient weight in the taking of the decision to suspend, either by the Minister or by those advising him (a group which did not include, in this respect, Mr Warcup).moral-rightnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-13143297708446795972010-10-10T01:26:26.667+01:002010-10-10T01:26:26.667+01:00So the first person who should be disciplined mus...So the first person who should be disciplined must be Warcup, for not telling anyone that the Interim Report was heavily qualified, I can only guess he did not tell anyone because he wanted Graham Power suspended to speed up his promotion, why else would he not disclose to anyone the qualifications! As no-one else saw the document, nobody knew that it was not sufficient, although the SG was very perceptive, perhaps he should have liaised with his AG as he was advising that nobody should look at it!. In fact, even ILM did not look at it as he was advised not to by the (SG?) Law Officiers, so no advice from the AG then!<br /><br />So it looks as though ILM got some bad advice from the SG perhaps this came from the AG.<br /><br /><br /><br />NAPIER REPORT:<br />72. I cannot see that a report as qualified in its contents as was the Interim Report meets the stringent tests which were identified as appropriate (rightly, in my own opinion) in the advice from the Solicitor General’s office on 11 November 2008 before any act of suspension should take place. In my view the concerns quite properly flagged up by the Solicitor General with regard to the act of suspension in his advice of 6 and 11 November were not given sufficient weight in the taking of the decision to suspend, either by the Minister or by those advising him (a group which did not include, in this respect, Mr Warcup).<br /><br />GP - SUSPENSION REVIEW MEETING<br /><br />Senator B.I. Le Marquand:<br />There is no issue with those, but we must make sure you get those. This is the sensitive area. The sensitive area is that in his letter which you have not seen Mr. Warcup makes reference partly to the Metropolitan Police report of which you are both aware. I have not seen that report, and indeed the previous Minister did not see that report, and the reason for that is because that report contains highly sensitive information regarding individual cases, naming potential offenders, victims, et cetera et cetera. Now my advisors do not want me to see that report because of that sort of sensitive information but I am aware that because reference has been made to it in Mr. Warcup's letter that it not unreasonable that Mr. Power or yourself or some representatives, which in this case might not include lawyers because of the very sensitive area, be able to see the report and to check that in fact that which has been quoted from it has been accurately quoted. This is sensitive because even my own advisors do not want me to see it, I believe for good reasons, because I am not an operational police officer and I am the Home Affairs Minister. What we have been looking at, and this has again been a reason which has slightly delayed the responses in other matters, is mechanisms for dealing with the difficulty of it containing information which frankly is not relevant directly because only the information which is referred to by Mr. Warcup in his letter is really relevant. So what we have been looking at is different possibilities which are canvassed for you now to try and get around the difficulty. One of the difficulties is to try and persuade the Metropolitan Police to produce a redacted, reduced version of the report which would only effectively make reference to the matters which related to management structures and so on, and not to individual cases. But I am not sure whether they are going to agree to do that because there is a second difficulty which I will be absolutely open with you about, which is this, and it is a relationship issue in relation to the States of Jersey Police and the Metropolitan Police who are not entirely happy that a report was produced for a particular purpose and is now going to be involved for a different purpose. But let me see if I can ... if it was not referred to in the letters it would not be in play at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-6282068983386842572010-10-09T20:04:00.546+01:002010-10-09T20:04:00.546+01:00Team voice rico included. Napier has completely an...Team voice rico included. Napier has completely and utterly vindicated you, bob hill trevor pitman and everybody else who has sought to find the truth behind the suspension of graham power. Well done all of you and thankyou for your courage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-78115645398251570192010-10-09T18:30:20.406+01:002010-10-09T18:30:20.406+01:00Sorry forgot this bit
Information for media:
Com...Sorry forgot this bit<br /><br />Information for media:<br /><br />Comment from Mr Warcup, and a photograph of him can be obtained through the Northumbria Police Press Office on 01661 868 888.<br /> (1) The succession plan approved by the States Employment Board and the Appointments Commission envisages the new D.C.O. succeeding to the Chief Officer Position in 2010 subject to satisfactory performance.<br /><br />rsrico sordahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09370637157786202673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-18860291548126115612010-10-09T18:28:32.285+01:002010-10-09T18:28:32.285+01:00RELEASED TO MEDIA AT 4.50 PM ON WEDNESDAY 23 APRIL...RELEASED TO MEDIA AT 4.50 PM ON WEDNESDAY 23 APRIL<br />THE Deputy Chief Constable of one of the UK’s top performing Police forces is to be the new Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police.<br />David Warcup, who is currently the Deputy Chief Constable at Northumbria Police was one of four shortlisted candidates who was interviewed by a panel in Jersey on Wednesday 16 and Thursday 17 April.<br /><br />He was interviewed by a panel made up of the Home Affairs Minister, Wendy Kinnard, Chief Executive of the States Bill Ogley, the Director of States Human Resources, Ian Crich, and the Chairman of the Appointments Commission, Mike Liston.<br /><br />Mr Warcup will succeed the current Deputy Chief Officer Lenny Harper, who is due to retire from the States of Jersey Police in August this year. Mr Warcup will undertake an induction programme before he begins his duties as Deputy Chief Officer.<br /><br />Sorry <br /><br />rsrico sordahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09370637157786202673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-46959775760264378852010-10-09T16:23:56.653+01:002010-10-09T16:23:56.653+01:00Gradwell was not appointed by Graham Power. I als...Gradwell was not appointed by Graham Power. I also remember Lenny Harper saying that all of the applicants except Gradwell made efforts to speak to him and that the only one who didn't was Gradwell. Co-incidence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-50299663813045868322010-10-09T15:09:47.555+01:002010-10-09T15:09:47.555+01:00Warcup was interviewed for the Deputy and CPO job ...Warcup was interviewed for the Deputy and CPO job at first. He already had the future CPO job. Gradwell was interviewed/appointed by Power and Warcup...so how brought in to do a hatchett job!>>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-85306369017015755512010-10-09T13:07:40.798+01:002010-10-09T13:07:40.798+01:00Well done VFC team, I see our cousins in Guernsey ...Well done VFC team, I see our cousins in Guernsey have mentioned the Napier report on their blog Vuedesisles.co.uk<br /><br />So I have posted a link to here and the Vile blog for deeper back round information regarding Graham Powers and Lenny Harpers response. <br /><br />“ The truth returns as an enemy, only when it’s been forgotten as friend “<br /><br />Russian poet.<br /><br />Boatyboy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-46355368179766532702010-10-09T13:06:54.952+01:002010-10-09T13:06:54.952+01:00VFC
I've posted it here, Rico's, Stuart&#...VFC<br /><br />I've posted it here, Rico's, Stuart's and the Jersey way blogs<br /><br />I couldn't find the original Terms of Reference on Hansard as it was held in camera, but remembered that it was included in the COM comments on P9machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17696365384453325709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-83843855365565350572010-10-09T12:55:06.314+01:002010-10-09T12:55:06.314+01:00Mac.
You have got it spot on. I see somebody is a...Mac.<br /><br />You have got it spot on. I see somebody is asking about this on Stuart's Blog perhaps you could answer on there as well?<br /><br />Of course the "accredited" media, it would appear, don't believe there is a story to be had here, so once more it will be left to the "unaccredited" media.<br /><br />Team Voice will be contacting CTV later today concerning what we believe to be sloppy/lazy journalism at best. Or banging out the establishment line with half truths and spin at worst.<br /><br />We will keep readers informed.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-54566762608332418862010-10-09T12:44:28.291+01:002010-10-09T12:44:28.291+01:00So it looks like it was the original part D from t...So it looks like it was the original part D from the Terms of Reference that was left out?<br /><br />(d) Review all information relating to the original suspension procedure,<br />including relevant sections of the published Affidavit from the<br />suspended Chief Officer of Police.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17696365384453325709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-69395169700794303252010-10-09T12:30:04.193+01:002010-10-09T12:30:04.193+01:00Napier Report<a href="http://www.gov.je/Government/Pages/StatesReports.aspx?ReportID=467" rel="nofollow">Napier Report</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-16564023036859158942010-10-09T12:01:08.996+01:002010-10-09T12:01:08.996+01:00just not long ago seen tlm nomate of mine devloper...just not long ago seen tlm nomate of mine devloper going to see him squeaky bum time maybe?martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-56017674188289119812010-10-09T10:55:20.745+01:002010-10-09T10:55:20.745+01:00Old cliche absence of evidence is not evidence of ...Old cliche absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. <br /><br />If evidence not available in the equation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Im sure Rico VFC Deputy Hill and many others will get to bottom of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-44755260835666552872010-10-09T09:41:47.073+01:002010-10-09T09:41:47.073+01:00VFC
Could you please explain where this leaves IL...VFC<br /><br />Could you please explain where this leaves ILM and his debacle. Did he not fully back David Warcup. And was it not him and Ogley that tried and fast tracked Warcup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-58876784044817809312010-10-09T00:23:19.735+01:002010-10-09T00:23:19.735+01:0073. ….....Mr Lewis for his part was insistent that...73. ….....Mr Lewis for his part was insistent that the decision to suspend was his, albeit one<br />which was supported by advice given by his advisors. He does not accept that he was bullied or coerced into making that decision by Mr Walker and/or Mr Ogley.<br /><br />Who were his advisers? Why did they not give him the advice from the SG. I assume it was Ogley and co, who did not pass on the very IMPORTANT advice to Warcup, if they did, he ignored it!, or it was 'cover my arse' file note.<br /><br />101. ….. It was, said Mr Ogley, a police document and it was inappropriate that he (or anyone else) should have access to it. Mr Ogley says that he was told both by the Attorney General and<br />Mr Warcup that he should not look at the interim report and neither he nor Mr Lewis did so. I have seen no record of any advice given, but I have not explored all sources. The Attorney General does not recollect giving such advice and believes he never saw the Interim Report documents itself. It must therefore remain uncertain exactly what legal advice (if any) was provided, and, if advice was provided at what stage in the proceedings this took place. <br /><br />So did Ogley lie about getting advice from the AG? Strange that he would do so and yet ignore advice from the SG! I guess if your aim is to remove the COP at all costs you risk your job, unless you say you never saw the report, hey presto, Warcup is the fall guy, hence he will not be the next COP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-36629016660437358082010-10-08T23:07:06.659+01:002010-10-08T23:07:06.659+01:00Brilliant job from VFC.
My own reading of Napier ...Brilliant job from VFC.<br /><br />My own reading of Napier and first analysis is at:<br /><br />http://tonymusings.blogspot.com/2010/10/turning-over-napiers-bones.htmlTonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-37519871603892444062010-10-08T22:48:51.478+01:002010-10-08T22:48:51.478+01:00As a relative newcomer to this, can someone post t...As a relative newcomer to this, can someone post the original terms as agreed with Deputy Hill and the terms that were actually used by Napier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com