tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post4986683845665153948..comments2024-03-07T08:25:48.882+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: Open Letter to Chief Minister Gorst.voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-70877110452236524892012-09-27T02:51:07.898+01:002012-09-27T02:51:07.898+01:00BBC can no longer ignore the growing public awaren...BBC can no longer ignore the growing public awareness of pronounced biased and extreme underreporting in their Jersey coverage of child abuse cover-up related events. The recent Guardian articles, the banning of Leah McGrath Goodman, the concerns raised by John Hemming MP, the rapidly increasing readership of the blogs and the factual evidence permanently available on the web concerning Jersey's corruption of human rights principles are just some of the reasons they should worry they will be internationally exposed and shamed.<br /><br />Unlike the JEP, the BBC is a well-connected and up-to-date international news organization whose own online presence and understanding of the power of the internet to change societies has to make inroads in to even their strange Jersey BBC branch.<br /><br />Your own voice is journalistically respected and your evidence-based blog has been professionally cited outside of Jersey. BBC has so much more to lose than any other news organization by thumbing their nose at you, and Gripton's role is probably more nervous tightrope walker than news man.<br /><br />A quick look at the comments on your blog, Rico's and Stuart's shows a much more sophisticated readership and insightful commentary than can be ignored or dismissed as that of conspiracy nuts. That so many inside Jersey and around the world have paid enough attention to understand and keep up with your detailed research is in stark contrast to the cringeworthy comments in the mainstream media. Those comments, especially in today's JEP are either an example of censorship or an alarming indictment of the character and intelligence of Jersey JEP readers.<br /><br />BBC Jersey cannot afford to continue to be held in the same low regard the JEP is, and whether Channel TV can or not remains to be seen. The BBC could easily expect their complicity with state media style behaviour to blow up in their faces even as a National BBC scandal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-16597721656029102042012-09-26T22:46:07.531+01:002012-09-26T22:46:07.531+01:00You can hear Neil today on the Mathew Price Show (...You can hear Neil today on the Mathew Price Show (26.9.12) <br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00y1pv2/Matthew_Price_26_09_2012/<br /><br />Go to 1.52.15 to 1:58.40 for Neil.<br />On the same show you can hear the Verita /Williamson report from 1:20.30. It includes Carrie at 1:24.0 and ends with Trevor- 1:25 to 1:30.53. And if you can bear to listen- Phillip Bailhache on tax havens, sniff tests and skirting his conversation with John Hemming- 1:13.30 – 1:18.22<br /><br /><br />You can hear a full version of Carrie on the Simon Jupp Show (25.9.12)- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00y1prg <br />Go to 1:11.40 to 1:16 <br /><br />Hope the links work!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-85856183511989848302012-09-26T22:29:14.070+01:002012-09-26T22:29:14.070+01:00"please could someone provide a link to the i..."please could someone provide a link to the interview, of which Carrie and Neil took part."<br /><br />Carrie about 5.10pm yesterday Simon Jupp show. <br />VFC today about 8.30am Mathew Price show. Just go to the Radio Jersey web page and select the proagrammes you want to listen to again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-88796594476093173162012-09-26T21:50:41.051+01:002012-09-26T21:50:41.051+01:00Thanks for the clarity on the whereabouts of the P...Thanks for the clarity on the whereabouts of the Power statement. After 370 days, you’d of thought Gripton would've asked the lawyers to send it back to him - even a redacted version. <br /><br />As for incompetence, Price was pipped today by the BBC Business Correspondent for discussing brand names. Priceless!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-48330748313439020072012-09-26T21:40:22.340+01:002012-09-26T21:40:22.340+01:00please could someone provide a link to the intervi...please could someone provide a link to the interview, of which Carrie and Neil took part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-86415396205545763222012-09-26T21:06:29.326+01:002012-09-26T21:06:29.326+01:00Jon Gripton hasn’t denied having a copy of Graham ...Jon Gripton hasn’t denied having a copy of Graham Power’s statement to Wiltshire. I was told by one of the show’s producers that Mr. Gripton had told her he hasn’t got a copy. He apparently told her that his copy is with the BBC’s lawyers.<br /><br />Since the particular producer refuses to answer a set of 6 questions that I had put to her and ignores my e-mails I shall, in the next few days, publish, in a new Blog Posting, the very short e-mail exchange we have had.<br /><br />So to be clear the line appears to be not that Mr. Gripton didn’t receive a copy, more that he hasn’t got it anymore…………….Priceless.<br /><br />As for Verita being excluded the commenter is correct Ed Marsden was asked by Deputy Tadier if he would come over and present his Report to which he agreed. Furthermore Senator Gorst is well aware that Mr. Marsden agreed to come over but for reasons only known to the Senator (or those pulling his strings) senator Gorst didn’t invite Mr. Marsden.<br />voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-71808818661386477162012-09-26T20:59:03.564+01:002012-09-26T20:59:03.564+01:00Thanks VFC, I have now listened to your radio inte...Thanks VFC, I have now listened to your radio interview and you made your thoughts very clear, well done. On the point of Ed Marsden from Verita not presenting his report, Mathew Price tried to imply that this could have been down to incompetence which I find just incredible. Two reports submitted by two authors released on the same day with only one author invited to present his report. This was not down to incompetence, this is deliberate exclusion. It is my understanding that Deputy Tadier asked the CM if he was going to invite Verita to present his report as did JCLA. Ed Marsden was also asked if given the opportunity, would he be willing to come to Jersey to present his report to which he responded that he would. No, this was not down to incompetence, it was, as I say, a deliberate act of exclusion end of!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-45205089556391850822012-09-26T20:52:30.437+01:002012-09-26T20:52:30.437+01:00Yes, the Power statement. A matter too powerful fo... Yes, the Power statement. A matter too powerful for a 'captured' media outlet perhaps? And now, after 11 months of frequent requests, Gripton allows you back on air whilst claiming he never received a copy. <br />Do I detect a sea change or a nymph ringing their knell? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-6378137527946804662012-09-26T19:37:11.087+01:002012-09-26T19:37:11.087+01:00About 8:50am.About 8:50am.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-28456819084048212782012-09-26T19:34:46.084+01:002012-09-26T19:34:46.084+01:00What time were you on the radio, I would like to g...What time were you on the radio, I would like to go back and listen to what was being said. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-36719056161345279582012-09-26T19:27:49.427+01:002012-09-26T19:27:49.427+01:00Forgot to say good luck Cyril but as you well know...Forgot to say good luck Cyril but as you well know the law counts for nothing over here. It is a tool of oppression used against those who don't tow the party line.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-3073022965823714362012-09-26T19:08:18.172+01:002012-09-26T19:08:18.172+01:00Re; "This is the second time you've been ...Re; "This is the second time you've been on air in recently. May I ask, were you invited on or did you plead? I ask because I perceive a very slight change in the balance of reporting in recent days (only very slight but in the right direction). Perhaps the station has at last noted the BBC Charter includes 'impartiality'?"<br /><br />You are correct. This is the 2nd time I have been allowed on in 11 months despite countless times trying to get on but being black-listed.<br /><br />That said, credit must go where it is due I was given adequate air-time and allowed to talk. I was given a fair crack of the whip and that is all that is asked, just a fair say.<br /><br />As for the BBC and its charter, well they still haven't published a single word of the former Chief Police Officer Graham Power's submission to Wiltshire (defence case) which they have had possession of for over a year. They reported on the prosecution case and should give equal weight to the defence..............They haven't.<br /><br />Still; being allowed on air for the second time in a year is a huge step forward for which I am grateful.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-90693803325806409802012-09-26T18:41:57.165+01:002012-09-26T18:41:57.165+01:00Good luck Cyril ;-)
(Of course, the RULE OF LAW w...Good luck Cyril ;-)<br /><br />(Of course, the RULE OF LAW would be better than luck but it doesn't apply over here, as you know). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-75490447988739137472012-09-26T18:37:26.945+01:002012-09-26T18:37:26.945+01:00Neil, like Trevor, you said it as it is on the BBC...Neil, like Trevor, you said it as it is on the BBC state radio this morning and quite surprisingly, you weren't cut off! It was good to hear Carrie too, speaking so well and calmly as usual. (If I were her and the other abuse survivors, I doubt I could've kept my cool after this long).<br />This is the second time you've been on air in recently. May I ask, were you invited on or did you plead? I ask because I perceive a very slight change in the balance of reporting in recent days (only very slight but in the right direction). Perhaps the station has at last noted the BBC Charter includes 'impartiality'?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17903873030080581852012-09-26T18:25:22.613+01:002012-09-26T18:25:22.613+01:00Hi VFC,
Sorry to be off topic
I am at the magistr...Hi VFC,<br />Sorry to be off topic<br /><br />I am at the magistrates court on Friday 12th October @10am for various non parking ticket tickets,<br />where I will be pulling a rather large rabbit out of the hat.<br /><br />All welcome<br /><br />cyrilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-74358686157232834422012-09-26T14:52:13.442+01:002012-09-26T14:52:13.442+01:00What they really have to think of is this.
Surviv...What they really have to think of is this.<br /><br />Survivors, bloggers, some politicos and many other interested parties have been dissatisfied with the government response to date and keep chipping away, constantly finding new evidence which blackens the picture further.<br /><br />Time and time again various issues surrounding this are brought beack to the States for further debate.<br /><br />Does Sen Gorst (for Gorst read Bailhache) really believe that anything less than a full independant, and transparent, enquiry will make it all stop?<br /><br />He really is stupid if he believes that.<br /><br />As well as everyone else involved, the government need closure on this. Put all this to bed once and for all and stop the merry-o-round.<br /><br />There is a force and appetite for truth that is unstoppable. Look at Hillsborough! The only way to halt the momentum is to do this properly, for once and for all.<br /><br />The doors to the States chamber will continue to feel the banging for evermore if this is not done properly. It just won't go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-82772091161403918302012-09-26T14:47:48.825+01:002012-09-26T14:47:48.825+01:00Disgraceful journalism by the JEP. Will there be a...Disgraceful journalism by the JEP. Will there be any kind of an apology for misleading their readers yet again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-40318156925314306852012-09-26T14:31:09.300+01:002012-09-26T14:31:09.300+01:00That article by Ben Queree stinks, he states:
&qu...That article by Ben Queree stinks, he states:<br /><br />"They have urged States Members to reject the three-pronged approach that includes a “Truth and Reconciliation Service” for those unwilling to appear before a public inquiry."<br /><br />JCLA states:<br /><br />"A service as suggested by Mr Williamson would be a very welcome addition as any abuse survivor who requires assistance to enable them to talk with a professional person, separately from the COI would feel comfortable doing so. However if this is implemented and a name is required for the service, we would recommend the name be changed from ‘Truth and Reconciliation’ to something which would not be seen as quite so intimidating"<br /><br />lies and damn liesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-29867452716719215812012-09-26T14:06:54.418+01:002012-09-26T14:06:54.418+01:00JEP 26th September 2012
Care Leavers reject plan ...JEP 26th September 2012<br /><br />Care Leavers reject plan for three-pronged review<br /><br />Proposals for a three pronged review into historical child abuse and decisions not to prosecute alleged offenders have been rejected by the Jersey Care Leavers Association. <br /><br />The association, which represents people who spent time in Jersey care homes, say that the proposals put forward yesterday by social work consultant Andrew Williamson would cut of all of the events since 1994 form investigation.<br /><br />They have urged States Members to reject the three-pronged approach that includes a “Truth and Reconciliation Service” for those unwilling to appear before a public inquiry.<br /><br />Instead, they say that the States should set up a single, all-encompassing committee of inquiry that would have full legal powers to force witnesses to answer questions and demand documents and files.<br /><br />The care leavers say that it should cover the States and honorary police, as well as the suspension of the former police chief Graham Power.<br /><br />In an open letter to States Members written after a meeting with Chief Minister Ian Gorst, States chief executive John Richardson and Mr Williamson, the association says that the States have got to adopt an approach that is “right, robust and open”.<br /><br />In the letter, JCLA chairman Carrie Modral wrote:<br />“we can only support a fully robust and open enquiry, and we do not feel that Mr Williamson’s suggestion of a three pronged approach is the correct one, and would reject that out of hand. We feel that all should fall under one umbrella of one Committee of Inquiry.”<br /><br />“We have said it before and will repeat that this has got to be right, robust and open. <br /><br />Then - and only then will there be satisfactory closure for all.”<br /><br />The States are committed to carrying out a committee of into historical child abuse, after a 37 to 11 vote last year to overturn the previous Council of Minister’s decision not to hold one.<br /><br />Senator Gorst pledged his support to an inquiry during the ministerial elections last November, and has said that he expects a judge or QC-led inquiry to take up to three years. <br /><br />Spot the untruths compared to the JCLA letter!!!!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-2516345493079897962012-09-26T12:08:15.779+01:002012-09-26T12:08:15.779+01:00That being the real power behind the throne is PHI...That being the real power behind the throne is <a href="http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/comment/2012/09/25/power-is-in-the-hands-of-the-minister-they-respect/" rel="nofollow">PHILIP BAILHACHE?</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-29931456638649305632012-09-26T10:39:37.809+01:002012-09-26T10:39:37.809+01:00The Committee of Inquiry, should read, last night...The Committee of Inquiry, should read, last nights piece in the Jersey Post by Lucy to see what bloggers have been saying is true. <br /><br />Is it possible someone could publish it for the overseas readers to see what we on the Island are up against with State media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-27288376963406640522012-09-25T22:46:47.519+01:002012-09-25T22:46:47.519+01:00Anonymous @1443: this is not about appeasement - u...Anonymous @1443: this is not about appeasement - unless you happen to think that the physical and sexual abuse of children is in some way justifiable.<br /><br />This is about righting a very serious wrong, and as Jill, Rico, Neil, Carrie and all the rest put it - only the truth will do. No more half-truths. No more dissembling.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09194881271051758232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-22353841784222304502012-09-25T20:51:48.253+01:002012-09-25T20:51:48.253+01:00Jill.
"Do not be influenced by those who do ...Jill.<br /><br />"Do not be influenced by those who do not want the Verita route Mr Gorst."<br /><br />That is where the rub lies. There are those who believe that if it was Chief Minister Gorst's decision then he would go with Verita but it is NOT his decision. It's a case of "will the real Chief Minister please stand up."<br /><br />As for appeasing the Abuse Victims/Survivors one would imagine the TRUTH being told should go a long way. Not only for the Survivors but for the "good" people of Jersey also.<br /><br />This island has an appalling reputation around the world, not only for its secretive tax business but for its willingness to keep a lid on the truth of Child Abuse.<br /><br />Because of this the whole island suffers and will continue to suffer until the filth is rooted out, including "priority suspects" in the Child Abuse Inquiry who still have access to children by holding posts of authority over them employed by the States.<br /><br />Until Jersey deals openly and honestly with its "failings" of the past, nothing or nobody will be able to move forward.<br /><br />The Williamson paper, if it wasn't so dangerously tragic, is a complete joke and something that might serve to haunt him in years, and for years, to come.<br /><br /> voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-2793486020541699682012-09-25T20:08:29.919+01:002012-09-25T20:08:29.919+01:00It goes without saying that 'what will appease...It goes without saying that 'what will appease the abuse victims' is a full, transparent and open inquiry as per the Verita Terms of Reference - nothing more, nothing less.<br /><br />As I see it after the abuse they have suffered in the 'care'of the States of Jersey, they have with dignity and patience had to suffer yet an abuse by that very States of Jersey, and in some instances the general public who feel that they should put this all behind them and 'move on', and question why they are not satisfied with anything.<br /><br />Move on they will do indeed if their feelings are for once taken into account. As you so rightly say VFC Gorst has two choices - to get it right for once and for all, or get it wrong and leave that as his legacy.<br /><br />Do not be influenced by those who do not want the Verita route Mr Gorst.Jill Gracianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-59843254735185307702012-09-25T18:48:15.687+01:002012-09-25T18:48:15.687+01:00"What will appease the abuse victims?"
..."What will appease the abuse victims?"<br /><br />I think that has been made quite clear, they want the COI and the TOR set up as per the Verita report, they have found several flaws in the Williamson report and are therefore asking that the COI is based on the Verita report and now Williamsons. Thats how I am reading it! Seems reasonable to me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com