tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post7265199916792425812..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: Adrian Lynch. (The "Official Line" Questioned)voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-44132663866182176512016-06-19T07:11:43.934+01:002016-06-19T07:11:43.934+01:00WE WANT ANSWERS THERE IS A MURDERER ON THE LOOSE!!...WE WANT ANSWERS THERE IS A MURDERER ON THE LOOSE!!!!<br /><br />HE COULD STRIKE AGAIN!!!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-49340546845871832922016-04-30T15:38:23.113+01:002016-04-30T15:38:23.113+01:00That's a very important comment left at 21:44,...That's a very important comment left at 21:44, April 29th. I'd like to draw attention to it in case readers missed it. <br /><br />I share the concern expressed at the attitude being displayed in this case by Jersey police and Home Affairs authorities. It is frighteningly dangerous. It looks like they know that no-one believes the 'official line' on all this, but they just don't care that no-one believes them. It's like they're saying to us, 'Yeah, this is a police cover-up, this is what 'The Establishment' can do. You think we care what the public think? Wrong. The powers-that-be have decided a blanket is to be drawn over this case, so, tough. What you going to do about it, eh?'<br /><br />I don't know one person in Jersey, not one, who swallows the 'official line'. And most of the people I know you'd class as 'traditionalists' I guess. <br /><br />Another comment, left on the 22nd April said this, 'This is surely a crisis for Chief of Police Mike Bowron. Surely the biggest crisis he has had since his easy and well paid leadership(?) of The Jersey Police Service....<br />Everything is fluffy and rosy in Jersey!?'<br /><br />That comment is so right. This is a crisis for policing in Jersey and Mike Bowron's leadership of the Police Force. That fact is very very obvious to 95% of the silent majority of people in Jersey. <br /><br />But maybe Bowron and the establishment are recognising it belatedly? Maybe that's why they had the big propaganda piece in last night's JEP about 'low crime levels', with a big picture of Bowron and load of copy & past PR churnalism? My old aunty drew my attention to the piece with the words, 'have you seen this? They're getting desperate to brainwash us away from thinking about that poor missing boy.' <br /><br />Yes Policing in Jersey is in disarray, the public see it, and the establishment are starting to panic over the fact we see it. <br /><br />But who will rescue us from these fools? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-21729131717452683242016-04-29T21:44:03.438+01:002016-04-29T21:44:03.438+01:00These comments on the hypothermia hypotheses are i...These comments on the hypothermia hypotheses are interesting, and I do hope the authorities realise that, at some time, sooner or later, they're going to have to answer them? <br /><br />I left the comment on April 24th at 22:22 in which I addressed the key obvious flaw in the death-by-hypothermia theory, namely, the absence of a body.<br /><br />As I said previously, it is certainly the case that people who are hypothermic or peri-hypothermic can act irrationally. Indeed, it is true that hypothermic irrationality has included the removing of clothing-layers.<br /><br />And as I explained in my earlier comment, we can willingly consider the hypothermia theory, not only on its own, stand-alone merits, but additionally because of symbiotic factors. For example, in a case such as this the very real possibility that a hypothermic or near hypothermic state, and the resultant mental and physical deteriorations, were compounded and amplified through intoxication. It is also entirely feasible that the intoxicants in question, if involved, might include not only alcohol but other substances, such as illegal street drugs. In fact, it is sadly known that sometimes people become heavily debilitated and unable to think straight or act for themselves or defend themselves because of the involuntary consumption of street drugs. This is known, for example, from so-called "date-rape" drugs. <br /><br />Sometimes victims of rape-drugs are targeted, by having the intoxicant involuntarily administered to them, say, in a drink, which they unwittingly them consume. Depending on the drug in question, the dose strength, the natural resilience of the target, the effect of the drug may not really take hold until some hours later. It is not unknown for an attacker to plot such a crime, expecting they will have to follow their victim for some considerable time, waiting until they become vulnerable. <br /><br />Could this have happened to Adrian? <br /><br />It is a possibility. No more than that, on the basis of the information so far known to the public. But still, a possibility. <br /><br />The fact that Adrian has not been found since the evening he vanished, to date, has to make some kind of explanation which involves foul-play, more likely than the theory Adrian got ill (hypothermia / intoxication) and laid under a hedge to rest / recover, and then died of hypothermia. <br /><br />In that latter case, his remains would have been found. Especially in a tiny place like Jersey.<br /><br />But we don't have a body. <br /><br />Every day that passes without the deceased remains of Adrian being found, makes the hypothermia theory less and less likely, not more likely. <br /><br />Indeed, the horrifying possible thought is that if Adrian were abducted, he could have been, even still could be, alive, somewhere. <br /><br />But the 'official position' of your Police in Jersey is that, 'oh well. He vanished. Must be death by hypothermia. Never mind the troubling inconvenience no remains have been found. Our 'partner organisations' have told us they looked, really, really hard, so, hey, well, what can you do, eh? We'll just write "hypothermia" in the relevant box, like our Jersey lawyers have told us it is OK to do. There. Sorted. Now, where is that local newspaper hack our Chief is due to give some 'reassuring' propaganda to for Friday's edition?'<br /><br />The case is frightening enough on its own terms. The fact your police / Home Affairs leadership imagine their conduct to be credible is, frankly, even more frightening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-76495800612505467232016-04-28T13:22:48.748+01:002016-04-28T13:22:48.748+01:00I am no apologist but there may be an effect that ...I am no apologist but there may be an effect that mirrors this behaviour. Many years ago on a sub zero Cader Idris we came across a group of psychologists and physiologists undertaking field research on what they called Oates Syndrome.<br />They were trying to see if hypothermia could induce a dangerous desire to continue walking rather than seeking shelter. <br />The conditions at the time were wind gusting to 70 knots and -12c.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-82342422900557837902016-04-28T12:01:50.638+01:002016-04-28T12:01:50.638+01:00The most obvious questions to me are:
1. Have the...The most obvious questions to me are:<br /><br />1. Have the States of Jersey Police sought expert medical opinion on the probability of a young man of Adrian's age and condition becoming hypothermic given the prevailing weather conditions on the night he disappeared? This seems to be their working theory, and a number of comments here have questioned whether this is a valid theory given the mild temperatures.<br /><br />Given the fact that every weekend night of the year, young locals survive an intoxicated walk home without harm, it seems at the very least surprising that the police have not issued a press release confirming that they have received expert medical advice that this is a plausible scenario. Vulnerability to hypothermia is presumably highly variable, so what would the probability be of a presumably healthy young male who has walked a considerable distance on a mild winter's night after consuming a few drinks? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 1 million?<br /><br />2. What coherent explanation is there for Adrian discarding his belt and phone? If the working theory is that he was acting irrationally after becoming hypothermic, I wonder if there is any evidence that people with hypothermia are prone to discard such items. I also wonder whether anybody who has developed hypothermia would have sufficient function in their fingers to be able to remove a belt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17163496356434966182016-04-28T09:35:21.344+01:002016-04-28T09:35:21.344+01:00South Yorkshire police totally discredited in the ...South Yorkshire police totally discredited in the findings on the Hillsborough tragedy.<br /><br />Have this lot ever been employed to look into Jersey matters?<br /><br />Hope Gradwell didn't send the collogen coconut to them for analysis?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-44670771693726215832016-04-27T20:14:25.629+01:002016-04-27T20:14:25.629+01:00The COI has a deadline of December this year to pu...The COI has a deadline of December this year to publish its report and there are a number of projects in the pipeline concerning the COI that will published during this time.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-65969842560111421712016-04-27T20:11:21.559+01:002016-04-27T20:11:21.559+01:00VFC.
Do you know when the conclusions of the COI&...VFC. <br />Do you know when the conclusions of the COI's findings is likely to be published?<br />Maybe this is what your next project is about. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-50948558445486716172016-04-27T20:00:59.445+01:002016-04-27T20:00:59.445+01:00Hopefully in the next few days. Although also work...Hopefully in the next few days. Although also working on another project that might go up before the next Adrian Lynch Post.<br /><br />If readers have got any questions concerning the Adrian Lynch police "investigation" please submit them so they might form part of the next Blog on this subject?voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-64128677206899263382016-04-27T19:56:06.293+01:002016-04-27T19:56:06.293+01:00VFC.
When is the next Adrian Lynch posting going ...VFC.<br /><br />When is the next Adrian Lynch posting going up? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-80799024026498898922016-04-27T19:54:07.323+01:002016-04-27T19:54:07.323+01:00Adrian Lynch. You will be found sooner or later. M...Adrian Lynch. You will be found sooner or later. Must be a terrible strain on the families involved.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-72168691135563274802016-04-26T20:35:38.915+01:002016-04-26T20:35:38.915+01:00I find it rather sad that after the family of Adri...I find it rather sad that after the family of Adrian had posted a 'flyer' to every home in the Island that not more people had seen fit to put this in their car window as I have done just to keep Adrian in peoples thought's. HOW on earth can a young man simply vanish in a small place like this? I am sorry but I simply do not believe that this is a simple accident and I do believe that 'third' parties are involved and this matter needs to be ended for the sake of Adrian's family and friends. There must be someone out there who knows the real truth and if so just go to a public phone box and tell the someone what you know. And for all those who feel inclined to 'look the other way' I would say this " What if this were your son or daughter"? caring Jersey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-1610078876144314302016-04-26T15:11:15.425+01:002016-04-26T15:11:15.425+01:00www.exaronews.com/articles/5815/revealed-huge-prob...www.exaronews.com/articles/5815/revealed-huge-probe-into-cover-ups-over-vip-paedophilesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-35785273419941168242016-04-26T10:31:46.611+01:002016-04-26T10:31:46.611+01:00An off subject subject
www.private-eye.co.uk/in-t...An off subject subject<br /><br />www.private-eye.co.uk/in-the-back<br /><br />"[The UK] government’s refusal to come down hard on tax havens and its lame response to the exposé of Panama’s dirty secrets might well be linked to its determination to keep the Chinese happy at all costs ......."Small fishhttp://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jersey-child-abuse-committee-of-inquiry.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-25452857092558558912016-04-25T12:24:51.978+01:002016-04-25T12:24:51.978+01:00Reference comments above regarding Gallichan Marin...Reference comments above regarding Gallichan Marine.<br /><br />Does anyone know if in the aftermath of the fire the ruins were searched for human remains?JOGGING ALONGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-89804680389708251112016-04-24T22:22:15.065+01:002016-04-24T22:22:15.065+01:00I like to think of myself as a rationalist, and ce...I like to think of myself as a rationalist, and certainly no friend of any 'tin-foil-hat' tendency. I have the obvious concerns with the 'hypothermia' theory, which is advanced and defended by 'Humphry', above at 20:54. <br /><br />As it happens, both through basic skills training, and direct personal experience, I'm reasonably familiar with the risks, incidence, and effects of hypothermic and peri-hypothermic states. <br /><br />I don't think death by hypothermia is a 'likely' cause of death, to a fit, healthy young person, in the weather conditions prevalent at the time. Nevertheless, we can accommodate the hypothesis, for example by adding in factors such as the possibility of heavy intoxication, it being true that high levels of alcohol in the blood-stream hamper the body's ability to regulate its temperature safely. In fact, we need not rely on hypothermia alone as a hypothetical cause of death. Sadly, we understand how people in states of possible heavy intoxication can die, even in the absence of hypothermic conditions. <br /><br />But for all such reasoning, the hypothermia / intoxication hypothesis falls down, and has become a possible 'explanation' one has to make more and more tortuous excuses for, in the absence of a body. <br /><br />The concept that Mr Lynch died somewhere in the lanes of St Lawrence parish as a result of, perhaps intoxication effects, which were then rendered fatal by hypothermia, becomes a more and more elaborate construct, in the simple absence of a body. <br /><br />Irrational behavior is certainly a symptom of hypothermia. But it makes some demands upon imagination to think that Mr Lynch, in a peri-hypothermic state, so making irrational judgments, had the idea, and capacity, that he should hide himself before laying down to rest, hide himself with sufficient motive and cunning so as to make his place of rest / hiding so obscure and camouflaged as to avoid detection by a subsequent major Police missing person hunt. <br /><br />That, I'm afraid, is not a plausible or convincing hypothesis.<br /><br />To be convincing, the hypothermia / intoxication hypothesis requires the discovery of a body. The reasonably easy discovery, at that. <br /><br />In the absence of such a discovery, the discovery of his body, the more logical, and more readily plausible explanation for the vanishing of Mr Lynch is that he did not lay down and die in that area.<br /><br />Instead, something else happened to him. <br /><br />What, we can't be sure of yet. <br /><br />But barring a gross police failure of, frankly, international noteworthiness in terms of incompetence and disgrace in which Mr Lynch did lay down and die in the area, but the Police search failed to find his remains for these months, other explanations are more rational. <br /><br />More logical, and more disturbing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-53644553598946312472016-04-24T21:25:10.884+01:002016-04-24T21:25:10.884+01:00Can I just add my support to the words of Maureen ...Can I just add my support to the words of Maureen and Jon please? It is so.important that we keep this story alive. More power to your elbow for doing this great work.King of Queensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-33149574714558514692016-04-24T21:17:08.390+01:002016-04-24T21:17:08.390+01:00Putting it down to hypothermia would fit in nicely...Putting it down to hypothermia would fit in nicely with the states crafting a vaneer that Jersey is a safe and stable place in which to entice high net worth individuals.But what if Mr.Lynch was abducted by one of these secretive individuals.Does the 'designated zones' exclude properties owned by such individuals,so as not to disturb them.This might be considered a conspiracy theory but in my eyes is just as plausible as hyperthermia.Many of these people spend very little time in the island.Are their properties being searched and if not why not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-9124290748383565622016-04-24T21:08:18.253+01:002016-04-24T21:08:18.253+01:00Only last night I was speaking to a friend who liv...Only last night I was speaking to a friend who lives near where Adrian was last seen. They share the widespread public concern, and told me his wife doesn't walk alone at night in the area any more. He also said how he was surprised that that no house-to-house door-knocking investigation had taken place. Even though he lives close to the area, no Police Officers had knocked on his door, making inquiries as to whether he'd seen or heard anything suspicious that night, or whether he'd looked around his property since the incident. <br /><br />I was surprised to hear this. I'd thought those kind of steps, which you think of as being basic in a serious missing-person case, just havent been carried out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-79137954140297415212016-04-24T20:54:22.108+01:002016-04-24T20:54:22.108+01:00I think some of these comments are really getting ...I think some of these comments are really getting into conspiracy theory land. The police thesis that Mr Lynch was suffering from hypothermia is not coming from now-where. The reality his reported/recorded behaviour is suggestive of dis-orientation. I am aware the night in question was relatively mild for the time of year, but still, we are talking about December, not July.Humphreyhttps://twitter.com/Humphrey123123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-20282722420174500422016-04-24T20:35:13.687+01:002016-04-24T20:35:13.687+01:00It would seem the Jersey newspaper, the only one o...It would seem the Jersey newspaper, the only one on the island and notorious for passively regurgitating the 'line' favoured by your 'Establishment' 99% of the time, so I'm told, is seriously questioning the apparent abandonment by the Jersey police of the alarming case of Adrian Lynch. <br /><br />I wondered, could people on Jersey give the rest of us an impression of how the Jersey Police will be feeling in response to the Jersey newspaper criticism? It seems the Police PR advice and/or legal advice has been atrocious on this occasion, in imagining the case of a fit, healthy young person who vanishes could be met with a shrug, so to speak, with investigations being 'wound-down'? <br /><br />Even here in the UK, when people vanishing against a background of possible foul play is more common, a case of this nature would simply never be shelved in this way. What I find even more remarkable than the apparent shelving of the case - a case which most thinking people are now regarding as a very probable murder - is that the Jersey Police Force can have imagined their lackadaisical response would be met by anything other than deep anger and concern throughout the community? <br /><br />Even the usually pacifying and uncritical position of Jersey's only newspaper is saying 'this is not acceptable'. Surely in the course of the last few days the current senior leadership of the Jersey Police must have woken up to the realisation their careers are now on the line? <br /><br />All things considered, sadly it appears to be most likely that a young man has been abducted, murdered, and great lengths have been taken to conceal the body. This in Jersey. In 2015. And your Police Force are saying, 'oh well. Too bad. Can't be helped. Resources can only go so far. We have to prioritise litter dropping in the precinct, and maybe terrorising a few more opposition politicians. Our 'partner organisations' searched a few 'designated areas' for us, and they tell us they found nothing, so there you go. Nothing to see here. Move on.'<br /><br />At present the 'message' being sent out by policing in Jersey is, 'this is the methodology you should adopt should you ever feel tempted to abduct and murder a young man and wish to get away with it.'<br /><br />I believe the Jersey Police (and whoever is 'directing' them in this case) have badly misestimated the seriousness of the situation and the extent of public concern. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-40152584205259200922016-04-24T20:04:23.501+01:002016-04-24T20:04:23.501+01:00Totally agree with Maureen. People like you and Ri...Totally agree with Maureen. People like you and Rico have done the island proud. You have been like dogs with a couple of bones and you deserve medals.Mr Jon Dicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-71343262646144704752016-04-24T18:28:47.134+01:002016-04-24T18:28:47.134+01:00It would appear there is no accountability. Jersy...It would appear there is no accountability. Jersy is accountable to no one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-50495151810415798462016-04-24T17:29:24.547+01:002016-04-24T17:29:24.547+01:00Well done you bloggers for keeping the candle burn...Well done you bloggers for keeping the candle burning.Chubby Maureen.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-73257737097378894232016-04-24T08:23:59.025+01:002016-04-24T08:23:59.025+01:00Just a thought, but would the St John ex-honorary ...Just a thought, but would the St John ex-honorary police officer just charged with child sex offences have been involved in the search for Adrian in December? According to the JEP he was still 'at it' in January 2016, but has (obviously) since resigned.<br /><br />Have the SoJP pursued this line of Inquiry at all? It looks as if he is quite a prolific (alleged) offender, and also the area he worked in would be relevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com