tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post6527805036188096410..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: Interview with Independent Jersey Care Inquiry Panel Member Professor Alexander (Sandy) Cameron.voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-52903918634107738942019-05-13T18:08:48.569+01:002019-05-13T18:08:48.569+01:00Oh, I wouldn't bank on that my good fellow. Fo...Oh, I wouldn't bank on that my good fellow. For the Jersey authorities to have any legitimate claim to having held a free, fair, transparent and legally sound public-inquiry - well, they had to have had done just that! Held a public inquiry which fully satisfied all tests for vires.<br /><br />They failed (really remarkably in truth, the incompetence was startling) failed so openly and badly to grasp what was their last-chance in the last-chance-saloon that all local, national and international campaigners can forever more point out the legally robust fact that Jersey failed to hold a lawful public inquiry. <br /><br />This is what is immediately apparent to all dispassionate, disinterested external observers. This is an example of the remarkable incompetence. Your authorities and those they employed in the process of the public inquiry clearly had as a prime objective, perhaps THE core 'mission-statement', "Deliver something in the domestic environment of Jersey that will be convincingly spinnable to the local population and which will easily convince most local people that a real public-inquiry had taken place." <br /><br />Of course, Jersey having no meaningful Fourth-Estate, such a mission-statement was never in the least taxing or in doubt. Success in obtaining that goal was always a forgone conclusion. <br /><br />But was that goal, that easily obtained objective, of successfully propagandising the local population, ever a 'wise' objective? Was such a pre-guaranteed and easy 'quick-win' for your traditional establishment going to reduce, or amplify, the long-term crisis the island faces? Especially in this unique era of uncombatable, permanent international scrutiny? <br /><br />Failing to hold a lawfull, credible public inquiry, and of course so easily being able to con the local population that you had, is a wonderful outcome, a big 'Win' for the short-term self interest of various hopelessly compromised criminals. For example, the known child-abusers, the corrupt politicians, the senior civil servants involved in enabling and shielding those abusers for decades, the professionally conflicted law-firms, the gangster Crown Officers - etc. <br /><br />To that narrow cohort of fatally conflicted individuals and their allies and families (largely the grouping of people who have steered the public inquiry process) to have successfully delivered a 'public inquiry' which met their primary 'mission-statement', that of 'holding a make-believe public inquiry that we can then successfully con the local population with' has been a huge success. 'Mission-accomplished', as it was always easily going to be.<br /><br />But - but - but.....<br /><br />What does permitting the holding of such a obvious fake do for the medium and long-term interests of Jersey as a whole? <br /><br />Nothing good. That is for sure. <br /><br />The short-term self-interest of a handful of corrupt, criminal and inadequate individuals who should have all been put out to grass years ago, has been permitted to jeopardize the future of the island. <br /><br />Running overt, undisguisable cover-ups does not lessen international scrutiny. Rather, it amplifies it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-71098822916542228532019-05-13T18:04:29.922+01:002019-05-13T18:04:29.922+01:00New Blog Posting
Deputy Mike Higgins and The Jers...New Blog Posting<br /><br />Deputy Mike Higgins and The Jersey <a href="https://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2019/05/deputy-mike-higgins-jersey-way.html" rel="nofollow">WAY."</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-25403126061056541072019-05-13T17:27:14.069+01:002019-05-13T17:27:14.069+01:00"It's only a matter of time before we nee..."It's only a matter of time before we need another Inquiry."<br /><br />You sound like a remoaner for Brexit.<br />There is no way another Inquiry of this magnitude will be repeated again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-84089757098807367842019-05-13T17:26:47.926+01:002019-05-13T17:26:47.926+01:00"You keep on saying this but if a claim fails..."You keep on saying this but if a claim fails the evidential tests and you have no audit trail to show a cover up then what are the Panel supposed to do?"<br /><br />That assertion is fundamentally untrue. The cover-ups are clear and evidenced. There are known child-abusers, extensively evidenced, multi-victim child-abusers, walking free on Jersey. Right Now.<br /><br />The public inquiry cannot intellectually or legally make any legitimate contradiction of that fact, because they chose quite deliberately not to receive certain evidence, not to summon certain known witnesses, and to adopt a methodology of secrecy expressly calculated to prevent the public from piecing together various facts which which could only form the full picture if they could be associated together. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-34216316572714380722019-05-13T17:08:14.039+01:002019-05-13T17:08:14.039+01:00My dear fellow, if only the 'smart-assed lawye...My dear fellow, if only the 'smart-assed lawyers' being bankrolled in all this were trying to 'out twat each other'! Alas, for that to occur, you and the Jersey survivors and whistleblowers would need to have skin-in-the-game in that you would have to have some lawyers working in there that were employed by you, taking instruction from you, and dependent on you for their continuing lucrative contracts! In that circumstance you would have your lawyers indeed trying to 'out twat' their lawyers.<br /><br />Sadly, all the lawyers employed in this Klondike gold-rush are working for your establishment. So they don't even have to try to 'out twat' each other!<br /><br />Wakey wakey. <br /><br />Some readers here are a bundle short of a case file.<br /><br />Look, if the legal issues remain to elusive for you, try using a langue associated with a (slightly) different form of enterprise. In the endeavours of confidence tricking, and grifting generally, there are a category of people described as "marks".<br /><br />Go and take a look in the mirror.<br /><br />One need not be terribly 'smart assed' to understand what is going on on Jersey. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-89222871077205092472019-05-13T17:04:55.346+01:002019-05-13T17:04:55.346+01:00The "Jersey" evidential test is the prob...The "Jersey" evidential test is the problem or the "Jersey" "not in the public interest" is also the problem.<br /><br />Realistically there is nothing the Inquiry Panel can do other than recommend the UK fulfill its constitutional obligation and restore the rule of law and good governance on the island. voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-32962962346730410692019-05-13T16:58:52.675+01:002019-05-13T16:58:52.675+01:00You keep on saying this but if a claim fails the e...You keep on saying this but if a claim fails the evidential tests and you have no audit trail to show a cover up then what are the Panel supposed to do?<br />Remember Paedophiles are actors.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-53507390272836696082019-05-13T15:05:22.482+01:002019-05-13T15:05:22.482+01:00Today I gave further evidence to the Independent J...Today I gave further evidence to the Independent Jersey Care Inquiry Panel. I'm not sure I told them much more than they already knew. The very system/structure that allowed children to be abused, and their abusers to be protected, for decades, is the very same system we have in place today.<br /><br />It's only a matter of time before we need another Inquiry.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-88970923754026686262019-05-13T12:12:06.035+01:002019-05-13T12:12:06.035+01:00Please no more smart-assed lawyers trying to out-t...Please no more smart-assed lawyers trying to out-twat each other ... give me reasoned common sense without the self-indulgence ... please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-44336616505179106982019-05-13T12:05:39.013+01:002019-05-13T12:05:39.013+01:00I would not give them the time of day if I was ex ...I would not give them the time of day if I was ex Deputy Pitman. To treat a key witness so appallingly after he had submitted such a huge and damning written statement of detailed evidence was just unbelievable. When you further consider the bizarre bouts of even this evidence vanishing from the inquiry's website, often with ever more inexplicable redactions once it re-appeared, those who criticise Stuart Syvret for his non-attendance should think again. Stuart would have been treated in exactly the same way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-1560073857348080122019-05-13T10:03:17.593+01:002019-05-13T10:03:17.593+01:00Philip Sinel?Philip Sinel?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-8421208537800756532019-05-13T07:17:22.976+01:002019-05-13T07:17:22.976+01:00Good point.
People talk about legal problems frequ...Good point.<br />People talk about legal problems frequently on here but if no qualified Lawyer is prepared to air them to the Inquiry then nothing will ever progress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17399917915303055202019-05-12T22:46:32.906+01:002019-05-12T22:46:32.906+01:00Oh I certainly agree with that, as do legal collea...Oh I certainly agree with that, as do legal colleagues when we discuss the Jersey situation. One of the issues which concerns us is that there appears to be no serious or effective legal representation of the disenfranchised on Jersey. Of course, there was a time, not that long ago, when this would have been irrelevant to us as a broad profession. But in this age of information technology all is changed utterly. If one doesn't mind me shoehorning a quote from W.B. Yeats into this avalanching history, 'A terrible beauty is born'. Less enlightened colleagues don't grasp that yet. But many of us do. Now that knowledge, evidence and misfeasance is inerasable and universally sharable, our historic product as lawyers, as 'catch-&-kill' operatives, on hire to eliminate the 'problems' of the rich & powerful, is over. <br /><br />This is probably the key reason why I and colleagues find the Jersey situation so fascinating. It could very conceivably be the source, ultimately triggering globally the compliance by lawyers with already established law, as opposed to our ever lucrative ability to re-invent and re-run on behalf of those who need obfuscation, and who can pay us, matters long since settled. Now, there's a prospect. <br /><br />Of course with the advantage of hindsight it is not so surprising that Jersey, and events on Jersey, should have originated this potential global change in the history of organised society. When you have a micro jurisdiction run entirely by lawyers and in truth nothing but lawyers for centuries, and the place is awash with untold billions of dollars annually in the global wildwest of our era, and the seniors who run the place are literally overt sociopaths, things are not that surprising.<br /><br />These are interesting times. Jersey may very well yet become ultimately famous for more than association with an item of sailor's clothing, cows, nazi collaboration, and tax evasion. The Jersey situation in this age of globalised and easy communication has that potentiality. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-5025708032298896932019-05-12T21:16:06.139+01:002019-05-12T21:16:06.139+01:00Think we need a proper qualified Lawyer to approac...Think we need a proper qualified Lawyer to approach them with any legal concerns/issues!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17187005840762946062019-05-12T20:21:44.605+01:002019-05-12T20:21:44.605+01:00This is all most interesting. Some on point observ...This is all most interesting. Some on point observations above concerning the legal status of the former members of the former COI. Certainly correct that the status and powers of a public inquiry no longer attaches to this exercise. AS VFC is in communication with the three former members, perhaps you could ask them how they see their work being regarded at points in the future, in the broad context of the national and international response to the systemically concealed abuse of children? Are they confident that their work is robust and will withstand the inevitable and taxing peer-reviews these types of inquiries are going to be recouringly subjected to by successively better informed generations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-35474581100462455742019-05-12T18:19:34.683+01:002019-05-12T18:19:34.683+01:00I appreciate you keeping everyone updated on this ...I appreciate you keeping everyone updated on this hugely important issue. Thank you for the work that you're doing that allows many of us, even off island, to keep track of the latest developments. Keep at it! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-53350219077353165702019-05-12T14:21:49.957+01:002019-05-12T14:21:49.957+01:00Syvret was going to be our star witness at the pub...Syvret was going to be our star witness at the public inquiry. But they blocked him by refusing to give him legal representation. the men who attacked me and my mates when we were children had all the money and power of the States defending them. The public inquiry even gave secret code names to known child abusers to help the cover up carry on. Why should we take these inquiry people seriously now? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-8371876864656703662019-05-12T00:03:09.584+01:002019-05-12T00:03:09.584+01:00VFC, you report this: -
""An additiona...VFC, you report this: - <br /><br />""An additional session has been added on Friday 24th May at 4pm. This session will be a discussion between the Panel, the Chief Minister and the Chief Executive of the States of Jersey.<br />We are waiting to confirm a few more participants before publishing a fuller timetable next week.""<br /><br />Well - that is going to be most entertaining. <br /><br />Whilst all parts of the Jersey polity were - and are - grotesquely conflicted and involved in the Jersey child-abuse disaster - of those departments which are notionaly democratically accountable (so this is excluding the corrupted Crown departments) the Health & Social Services Department - and the Chief Minister's Department - were the two most profoundly corrupted and pro-actively involved in the child-abuse cover-ups. <br /><br />On the plain evidence. <br /><br />So - which two Jersey government Departments then went on to basically run the supposed "public-inquiry" - forming the core interface with the "inquiry" process - and doing so with the active willingness and blessing of the "public-inquiry" and the three panel members? <br /><br />The Health & Social Services Department - and the Chief Minister's Department. <br /><br />£24 million, eh?<br /><br />£24 million.<br /><br />The hubris - the frank stupidity - of these people is remarkable. Truly. And that is the view of a raft of international observers. <br /><br />There are enough experts - in various relevant disciplines - including international serious organised crime law-enforcement - globally now - to hold a conference on The Jersey Situation. <br /><br />Hear that train 'a coming.<br /><br />Stuart Syvret. <br /><br />Investigative journalist, historian, international anti-mafia activist. Ex-Senator Stuart Syvrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133826278608795054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-17537843262371705332019-05-11T13:22:41.888+01:002019-05-11T13:22:41.888+01:00Would have been good to see the above mentioned Tr...Would have been good to see the above mentioned Trevor Pitman there. Mind you remembering your interview with him regarding his appalling treatement by the panel back in 2015 I would assume he would not be interested anyway and who could blame him? It is a shame though. Pitman was probably the key figure in highlighting just how disturbing and corrupt the Jersey media's part in all of this was. Like to know which politicians past or present will be attending. Can't imagine any of the current lot have anything worth adding apart from Mike Higgins. This in itself shows a horrible reality. Nothing changesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-59457356238353932252019-05-11T12:12:21.479+01:002019-05-11T12:12:21.479+01:00Ian. You are a mug. With that information there wi...Ian. You are a mug. With that information there will likely be an Establishment Hit Squad being scrambled and helicopted out to search the Nothumbrian coast and surrounds even as we speak! Taking out three of the biggest champions of justice for Jersey's betrayed will surely be too much of a temptation for the Red Cloak Brigade. Get under cover now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-54513273246050946952019-05-11T11:09:53.526+01:002019-05-11T11:09:53.526+01:00Hopefully to help prevent vulnerable children bein...Hopefully to help prevent vulnerable children being abused (for decades) by people who were supposed to “care” for them. Hopefully so no other child, or family, should have to go through the life destroying treatment by the State of Jersey, and others, that vulnerable youngsters have had to in the past and possible present/future.<br /><br />Hopefully to show that any changes that have been made by the States and dodgy legislation put in place isn’t just window dressing to keep independent eyes at bay so the whole lot could all happen again.<br /><br />So I suppose the point of all this is “hope.”<br />voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-68649616349059166532019-05-11T10:46:42.190+01:002019-05-11T10:46:42.190+01:00What's the point of all of this?What's the point of all of this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-73951093265487566162019-05-11T10:18:45.550+01:002019-05-11T10:18:45.550+01:00Timetable update from Inquiry Panel.
"An add...Timetable update from Inquiry Panel.<br /><br />"An additional session has been added on Friday 24th May at 4pm. This session will be a discussion between the Panel, the Chief Minister and the Chief Executive of the States of Jersey.<br />We are waiting to confirm a few more participants before publishing a fuller timetable next week."<br /><br /> <br /> <br />Public Roundtable Discussions at St Paul’s Centre, St Helier:<br /><br />Tuesday 21st May : 9.45 am – 4.00pm<br /><br />Wednesday 22nd May: 9.45 am – 4.00pm<br /><br />Thursday 23rd May: 9.45 am – 4.00pm<br /><br />Friday 24th May: 9.30 am – 5.00pmvoiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-71127027009201411422019-05-10T15:16:32.646+01:002019-05-10T15:16:32.646+01:00Today's BBC statement …
"Current policy m...Today's BBC statement …<br />"Current policy means we have no alternative but to sack Danny Baker for racial abuse. If only he'd sexually interfered with children then we could have turned a blind eye for years."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-84291097928596638192019-05-10T12:14:14.792+01:002019-05-10T12:14:14.792+01:00I want to hear from Trevor Pitman even more after ...I want to hear from Trevor Pitman even more after reading the above; Shona too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com