tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post9138266917461514591..comments2024-03-20T11:09:50.796+00:00Comments on voiceforchildren: THE JERSEY ESTABLISHMENT CLOSES RANKS (AGAIN.)voiceforchildrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-31919607005020755612013-03-23T23:00:29.047+00:002013-03-23T23:00:29.047+00:00A similar thing happened to me when I was living o...A similar thing happened to me when I was living outside London in the mid 1980s when I was 9 years old. I complained to my parish priest (Roman Catholic) that I was being raped by my parents and the other junior parish priest, a teacher at my school. The junior parish priest was moved, the teacher was moved and my father was told by the main parish priest to move to the other side of England or he would go to the authorities. As a little girl I assumed he was the authorities. It left me a long way from a few caring people in my church (unaware of what was happening) and plonked down in the middle of nowhere - and the abuse continued. My heart goes out to the brave person who stood up and complained as she should. She has great soul and great courage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-31198321532732894292013-03-23T17:40:39.776+00:002013-03-23T17:40:39.776+00:00Bob Key gets the number of THE BEASTBob Key gets the number of <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A7A_xgYpodg/UU3mvd38bDI/AAAAAAAASwk/NY7g4wGpnbk/s1600/Image1.jpg" rel="nofollow">THE BEAST</a>Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-28881608273009289562013-03-22T21:34:27.924+00:002013-03-22T21:34:27.924+00:00Dear Church Leaders: Religion is not a matter of p...Dear Church Leaders: Religion is not a matter of patriotic tribalism. Successfully arguing for leniency for paedophiles will only make you proportionately responsible for every future child who is sexually assaulted by the same offender. Supporting any coverup of abuse makes you collectively responsible. Think about the position Christ took on the weak, the meek, the innocent children, and make his priority your own, or else accept that you are serving a different master. You are dragging the name of your religion through the pits of degeneracy by placing fellow members above the Word. You are bringing real damage to the image and purpose of Christianity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-65052103165233346902013-03-22T19:17:45.795+00:002013-03-22T19:17:45.795+00:00Should have a new Blog up on Sunday along those li...Should have a new Blog up on Sunday along those lines.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-75031795376104169892013-03-22T08:31:33.569+00:002013-03-22T08:31:33.569+00:00Ralph Mauger lost his appeal yesterday against con...Ralph Mauger lost his appeal yesterday against conviction and sentence for child abuse but following his trial several Jersey Church leaders spoke to give him a good character and plead for leniency.<br />Wonder if they are still so pleading and whether they are among those now lobbying support for the Dean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-3391220970846087222013-03-22T02:23:23.046+00:002013-03-22T02:23:23.046+00:00Is anyone creating a similar show of support for t...Is anyone creating a similar show of support for the victim of ABUSE in this case????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-51246622227073475942013-03-21T21:31:31.776+00:002013-03-21T21:31:31.776+00:00The final lines of the JEP Editorial tonight, as G...The final lines of the JEP Editorial tonight, as Gee Gee notes, are a fine example of the “Jersey Way”. What is being asserted is that the principles and hierarchy of the international organisation that is the Church of England are suspended when it comes to Jersey. A small speck in the ocean is entitled to carve out and assert its exceptionality. This is not just arrogance, it is delusion.<br /><br />All this bluster is to reassure the regular readers of the JEP who seek reassurance in its homilies. Many of these good folks will see straight through an act of whistling in the dark. Others are more gullible.<br /><br />These words from the Editorial are exquisite mendacity:<br /><br />“What is clear, though, is the wave of sympathy and outrage which has greeted the Bishop’s action, evidenced by the letter writing campaign now being organised in support of Jersey’s popular and widely respected Dean ….”<br /><br />There is no wave of sympathy, only bewilderment and shame. No one is outraged by the Bishop’s assertion of his rightful authority. If there is a letter writing campaign, it is being orchestrated from the editorial offices of the JEP. The alleged popularity and respect, if indeed it existed in certain elite circles, is now subject to a degree of reserve. In short it is a fairy story from the scribbles at Five Oaks.<br /><br />Suspension is not a neutral act in Jersey, precisely because those very same apologists of the existing order made it so in the disgraceful treatment of a senior police officer and Chief of Police. <br /><br />The Dean was foolish enough to allow himself to become the Chaplain to the Establishment. He failed to place the requisite distance between the religious and the temporal. The Church of England in Jersey has been deferring to the wealthy and powerful in society and forgotten its mission to care for the poor and the powerless. <br /><br />The status of office can be intoxicating and should always be tempered with humility. Those that are raised up can soon be cast down. Certainly, the failings of an individual can, eventually, be forgiven.<br /><br />Less forgivable, is the instrumentalisation by the Jersey Way of this affair for overtly secular and political ends. The Beast, the evil that is the Jersey Way, hates the light of external scrutiny and accountability. Have no doubt that its every action is evil.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-30307431491960647412013-03-21T20:52:21.640+00:002013-03-21T20:52:21.640+00:00Well said Anonymous at 20.25. Someone is asing fo...Well said Anonymous at 20.25. Someone is asing for protest letters to be sent to the Bishop. I have just written to him to support his action - we are not ALL behind the Dean as one online comment I read stated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-50856162909488888332013-03-21T20:25:46.153+00:002013-03-21T20:25:46.153+00:00I have translated the quote from the JEp to includ...I have translated the quote from the JEp to include the real meaning (in brackets) alongside the published words :-)<br /><br /> 'It is, therefore, of particularly great importance that the formal investigation now to be carried out by the former Bishop of Chelmsford will be suitably nuanced (hopefully ineffective), open-minded (open to persuasion from the oligarchy) and attuned to the understanding that Jersey has its own time-honoured procedures (expertise in cover ups) which are not to be lightly dismissed or over-ruled' (look what we did to Syvret, Harper, Power, Bellwood etc).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-58477035561988256582013-03-21T19:49:17.062+00:002013-03-21T19:49:17.062+00:00Well, doesn't this just say it all about The J...Well, doesn't this just say it all about The Jersey Way. The filthy Rag's editorial on this affair ends with this, which to me reads like 'don't mess with Jersey or our way of doing things, or else'. Oh dear!<br /><br />'It is, therefore, of particularly great importance that the formal investigation now to be carried out by the former Bishop of Chelmsford will be suitably nuanced, open-minded and attuned to the understanding that Jersey has its own time-honoured procedures which are not to be lightly dismissed or over-ruled'.<br />GeeGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531524441316755129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-23629348396576891982013-03-21T15:24:19.843+00:002013-03-21T15:24:19.843+00:00Traditionally, if there is a dispute with the UK, ...Traditionally, if there is a dispute with the UK, the AG responds on Constitutional issues for and advises the Crown (the UK point of view) and the SG speaks for the States...<br />From memory, back in the dark ages when Ph Bailhache was SG and V. Tomes was AG they had a falling out over legal advice in the States Chamber and Harrison (?)left his Crown Officer's job following a similar sort of spat...the point being that all is not always total harmony in the red carpeted corridors of the Royal Court - especially at the point where they enter the States Chamber environs aka plebsville.<br />So watch out for the slightest deviations in procedures - they can be significant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-45486232163222255862013-03-21T10:39:15.118+00:002013-03-21T10:39:15.118+00:00Jersey’s Solicitor General was asked questions abo...Jersey’s Solicitor General was asked questions about the Dean’s suspension in the States Assembly on Tuesday. It is an established principle that the most accurate information comes from the organ grinder rather than the monkey atop. The replies of Deputy Bailiff William Bailhache’s can be heard here:<br /><br />http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2013/03/questions-without-answers.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-4966200144083414182013-03-20T10:41:31.466+00:002013-03-20T10:41:31.466+00:00Apparently when Syvret quoted Matthew 18 in his fa...Apparently when Syvret quoted Matthew 18 in his famously infamous Christmas Speech in the Jersey Parliament and the Bailiff (Bailhache) forcibly silenced him by cutting his microphone the Unclean Dean (amongst many others) FAILED leap to his defence.<br />".... But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea...."<br /><br />Dean Bob Key then apparently went on to use this same quote in a public hand wringing spectacle in front of the "great and the good" of Jersey when Syvret was proved right and these sentiments were more fashionable.<br />Being too invested in the Jersey-way this same dean then failed to make records of the young woman's original complaint which probably undermined any future police investigation<br /><br />Hand wringing and hail Marys all round then back to business as usual. Yes, it is best to keep your eyes tight shut if you are in the business of brown nosing.<br />All respect and best of luck in the future to this brave but challenged young woman who seemed to be making such a success of her life until she violated the Jersey way.<br /><br />Some people in this island are expendable and others are clearly not<br />In another game set & match <br /><br />Latvia 0, Jersey All stars 1<br />It would be so interesting to see the crash report on that spirited away Lotus Elise<br />No report = no evidence in the eyes of the controllers of Jersey Law<br /><br />Whereas wrecked lives and wrecked cars can just evaporate into insignificance once the debris has been swept under the carpet.<br />However the world has changed and these things remain a stain on our island for all time.<br /><br />Read the rough diamond: <br />http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2012/08/we-bloggers-told-you-jersey-was-corrupt.html<br /><br />Christian, You must change the truth - not hide it.<br /><br />If you share a guilt by what you allow then a good portion of that guilt becomes yours for all time.<br />The camels are getting fatter and the eye of that needle is closer than even Jersey's closed ranks<br /><br />Mash this and put this on your Church noticeboard. It will be taken off (but by whom ?)<br />Satan works in mysterious ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-33391589020715550872013-03-20T08:43:01.659+00:002013-03-20T08:43:01.659+00:00Presumably the lawyers will be looking for constit...Presumably the lawyers will be looking for constitutional precedents and they might be able to discover how the "womanising Dean" Wiliam Le Breton (father of Lillie Langtry)was removed from office - if he ever was. He was Rector of St Saviour and then St Helier.<br />There is no doubt that he was sworn in before the Royal Court according to his Royal Letters Patent in 1875 (like his father before him) but when he was removed in disgrace to serve as the lowly vicar of Kennington (London) he seems to have taken his title as Dean of Jersey with him. No other Dean was appointed until Le Breton died "worth only £5" in 1888, still in London.<br /><br />No doubt a "Vice-Dean" was appointed in his absence to serve the people of Jersey and more recently the Rev Peter Manton (Rector of St John 1965-1985) was sworn in (1975) before the Royal Court in that capacity.<br />He too was removed from office for his sexual activities.<br /><br />Clearly the archived records relating to these appointments and departures will still be within the system so it should not be too difficult to discover how previous administrations viewed the constitutional arrangements and the oaths etc that were appropriate.<br /><br />THe victims of these two senior officials are unlikley to have ever received anything like justice or apology - but presumably it would not be too late now for those concerned with the latter to seek some form of recompense from the Church of England or the Church of Jersey, if somebody came forward to accept constitutional responsibility? Mike Dun writes<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-91781338427696591622013-03-20T00:50:34.647+00:002013-03-20T00:50:34.647+00:00Very good point!Very good point!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-48080753043691211292013-03-19T22:13:06.139+00:002013-03-19T22:13:06.139+00:00Where should we write to parishioners to ask them ...Where should we write to parishioners to ask them to support the real victim, here? Shouldn't matter if it is Church of England or Church of Jersey, the ultimate authority should be God, or there is no point to any Church structure. Any parish will only be diminished further if they do not immediately place all effort in the case into locating and supporting this vulnerable victim. Christians who want that label to apply to followers of Christ's principles, might simply ask themselves and each other what He would have done. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-34605726238721427482013-03-19T22:04:45.371+00:002013-03-19T22:04:45.371+00:00hee hee :)hee hee :)Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-81552606807112828472013-03-19T22:00:51.602+00:002013-03-19T22:00:51.602+00:00Ian Le Marquand will not only suspend the bishop T...Ian Le Marquand will not only suspend the bishop Tim Dakin but also the ArchBishop as a retaliation into the Church medalling with Island affairs. The charge will be of a constitutional matter relating to the Deans suspension. This should last a few years till they retire and then the JEP will publish the facts which will relate to made up reports and of the Bishops travel being of "first class" standard and fees being misrepresented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-47593674719406203552013-03-19T21:56:53.582+00:002013-03-19T21:56:53.582+00:00THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS PROCEDURES, a laughing sto...<a href="http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2013/03/alleged-updates-on-complaints-to-jersey.html" rel="nofollow">THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS PROCEDURES</a>, a laughing stock in Jersey....Big Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228210750484725153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-52546921412819952872013-03-19T21:46:28.972+00:002013-03-19T21:46:28.972+00:00It makes you wonder how the church warden and his ...It makes you wonder how the church warden and his wife are feeling at this present moment in time?<br /><br />It also makes you wonder who is caring about the well being of this brave and intelligent alleged sexually abused victim at the centre of all this? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-4034849971251850692013-03-19T21:46:25.912+00:002013-03-19T21:46:25.912+00:00The reason the defendant / victim is "encoura...The reason the defendant / victim is "encouraged" to agree to be bound over to leave the Island is that her agreement is required to make a BOTLI human rights compliant. The alternative sentence is usually a term of imprisonment so most people agree to be bound over. Before the advent of the Human Rights Law defendants could be sentenced to be bound over not to return against their will. The advantage of a BOTLI to Jersey is that it avoids the cost and potential flack associated with imprisonment of "difficult" cases of non-serious crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-89854667712063227012013-03-19T21:27:43.844+00:002013-03-19T21:27:43.844+00:00Why should the Dean of Jersey not be suspended by ...Why should the Dean of Jersey not be suspended by the Bishop of Winchester on what appears to be a serious matter, lets face it, Graham Power was suspended on no evidence whatsoever!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-86691328770742816512013-03-19T20:54:33.494+00:002013-03-19T20:54:33.494+00:00A sorry day for Jersey.
In clear defiance to what...A sorry day for Jersey.<br /><br />In clear defiance to what the C of E are doing under good practice and with solid evidence under<br />the nature of the report and suspending the Dean. The jersey establishment are questioning the authority of the suspension and have little of no concerns for abused victims.<br /><br />I doubt if few parishioners or states members for that matter have read the report which is quite damning.<br />The opportunity to send a clear message in that Jersey does not support "abuse" and will not tolerate methods of concealment and cover-ups has now been lost and I would not be surprised if other cases were to be found of this type if further enquiries are made.<br /><br />The method of closing ranks and rubbishing the evidence is a well known ploy and has served these people well. The Dean needs to make a stand and explain he's position and let people decide if he is of the right moral character and supports Christian values. There has been no public announcement and that may unfortunately mean he does not have a defence to the claims. Time will tell if there are to be a few more disclosures to this sorry episode.<br /><br />One commentator mentioned this does not bode well for the "COI". <br />Well on the events so far I think it may have been trashed before it has started.<br /><br />The chief minister is a puppet to the real powers here and things are hotting up.<br />Sir Philip needs to pass back he's knighthood and push ahead with independence as this is the only way that the Dean should be allowed back in the states assembly. Will be like one big happy family again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-20068154815188167862013-03-19T20:53:26.695+00:002013-03-19T20:53:26.695+00:00The biggest question The Dean needs to answer is W...The biggest question The Dean needs to answer is Why on earth did he not record in any way the first allegation of the alledged victim? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591695769525894359.post-65849840251313079002013-03-19T20:16:58.298+00:002013-03-19T20:16:58.298+00:00Did I just hear correctly on CTV the church are wr...Did I just hear correctly on CTV the church are writing to members of congregations asking for parishioners to support the Dean. <br /><br />If so could it be requested that the report into the behaviour of the Dean also be sent to congregation members so they are aware of the full picture and the way the lady was treated by the Dean.<br /><br />Why is a simple problem turned into a huge distraction the Dean failed to cooperate follow procedures and left a person in duty knowing he had a history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com