Tom Gruchy
Today (17th September) is Jersey Reform Day, and as we have, in the past few years, we mark the (251st) Anniversary by reminding readers/viewers of its significance and ask the questions: "What has changed?" "Don't we still have the same so-called "democracy" we had back in 1769 that Tom Gruchy, and fellow islanders, were protesting about?" "Who really runs our Island? Many more questions are asked and mostly answered in the exclusive interview below.
This years interview with local historian/Human Rights Campaigner, and BLOGGER Mike Dun has an added twist due to the current Corona Virus measures/laws being introduced along with the police wanting all police officers to carry Taser Guns. How (as in 1769) are we able to gather in large numbers to overthrow a corrupt Royal Court or similar corrupt institution?
Former Deputy (and victim of its "justice" system) Trevor Pitman
For those not familiar with Reform Day, and how it came about, please visit THIS POSTING which gives you a brief history and includes a link to the successful PROPOSITION brought by former Deputy (and victim of "Jersey Justice") TREVOR PITMAN.
For those who ARE familiar with Reform Day, and its origins, what, in your opinion, has changed for the better, as a result of the original overthrowing of the corrupt Royal Court and indeed the adoption of former Deputy Trevor Pitman's proposition?
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Deputy Russell Labey has narrated a film on the Corn Riots.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3zVIsbo_o&feature=youtu.be
Think Russell Labey has taken this story as his own. No mention of the people above.
ReplyDeleteRussell Labey has Trevor Pitman's old seat. He won't do anything to give credit to a far better politician. Labey has been such a let down with his cap-doffing to keeping the Bailiff. It is hard to know who in Pitman's old seat is worse, Labey or Wickenden.
DeleteTrevor Pitman is so missed in this poisoness government. Even the reformers and pretend progressives are fakes. Come back Trevor and bring Shona with you please. Mike D is right it is all a complete farce and a shameful one.
ReplyDeleteMike's passion is so uplifting. He speaks so much sense - that (I think) he came almost last in the by-election a few years ago shows how damn stupid and easily misled so many people are. Mike would have been a great boost for the States and quite honestly his passion and common sense put most people in there today to shame.
ReplyDeleteFFS they could have at least mentioned Mike and Trevor in the end credits.
ReplyDeleteIt's called wiping history.
DeleteOr as Trevor called the wiping away of what happened in 1769 "the Airbrushed Revolution". Good name for a documentary. A proper one not like the Deputy Labey self promotion job.
Delete"Jersey revolution 1769 – by Michael Dun, published as an appendix to a report accompanying a proposition to the States in 2012 calling for official recognition of the events of 28 September 1769"
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Mike's an interesting character and his Tom Gruchy historic analysis deserves all the credit it gets.
DeleteMike would have been great to have in the States even for one term. Focussing on real, long term political issues is what we need. Goes without saying that for the same reasons we also need Trevor back too. And Shona if she is well enough after the car assault I read about on Twitter. We need dozens of these type of people if Jersey is to finally shake off the Jersey Way of the Bailiffs and big business interests.
ReplyDeleteNeed Mike, Sam is getting slaughtered on Facebook again for a memorial most people don't want. He's lost trust and you cannot ignore petitions.
DeleteThought you meant Mike Higgins lol
DeleteMost petitions are ignored. Just any common sense proposals brought to the States by the Left.
DeleteAnyone else having problems with the JEP website? Getting message saying the host site is down. Is this paper just falling to bits slowly or what?
ReplyDeleteI prefer the paper addition. But even with fish and chips I take it with a pinch of salt.
DeleteNever mind fish and chips I prefer pizza in a lager source. Yummy!
DeleteAll of this criticism of our great court system is totally wrong. When I was in court for threatening to murder people via a drunken telephone call everyone was very nice. The judge let me write a secret note to him saying stuff that nobody else was allowed to hear. The police also let me slip away with a blanket over my head and the media never used my mug shot which they could have gotten easily. Gentlemen one and all. Nobody knows this but I was even allowed a can of Stella in the celler while I was waiting. The Jersey Way is great.
ReplyDeleteAlis-ion McTurdle? This sounds very much like my alter ego. But it can't be. He is dead.
ReplyDeleteNo. I am not dead. But very active on Facebook. Regards. Alison. How about an interview with a progressive politician or two? Deputy Ash and Constable Taylor seem very, very liberal?
ReplyDeleteWhen are Reform Jersey going to bring something to set right all of the electoral flaws highlighted two years ago by the visiting monitors? Isn't such REFORM just the sort of thing a party claiming to be REFORMERS should be doing? Why should parishers with one set of traffic lights have a much greater percentage of representation in the States than us in the island's capital? And that is just one example. So hows about you doing an interview with the party chairman Senator Mezec asking him about this, instead of all these chances for him to make excuses about the failings of his tenure as Childrens Minister? Just saying.
ReplyDeleteWhere were you earlier this year? The States debated electoral reform in February/ March and the reform party were all in favour of it.
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ReplyDeleteWot is the above link about? I can't get on it and nor can any of my fake IDs.
ReplyDeleteI can't get on either. But then I am dead.
DeleteHow about an interview with Advocate Sinel? I find the action against him by the Jersey court staggering criticising this fine man for a minor matter when they take no action against their own serious failings. Bailiffs denigrating abuse victims in Liberation day sspeeches. Bailiffs allowing people who they were told covered up abuse to become Jurats. Bailiffs doing nothing when police were told by minions it was ok to illegally bug the car of a suspect. Hypocrisy, total hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteClickable link to the podcast with Stuart S
ReplyDeleteA most excellent podcast. Stuart Syvret is my hero and I would gladly sit through three days of interview and remembrances from this fine man. But as an aside would you happen to have his landlord's telephone number?
DeleteHaw! Haw! Haw! This podcast is very, very serious. Oh dear! Bye.
DeleteThat interview encapsulates pretty much ALL of what happened during Stuarts time and after, my only comment other than I wholeheartedly agree with what he said was that most of the Jersey people are not part of the coverup. That said they are perhaps complacent by way of the fact they do not speak out and perhaps more importantly get out and vote. But when we have a system where the majority of the authority in Jersey is not elected to their posts, there in lies the problem. I have always and will always be incensed that a person who was not elected had the crassness to turn off the microphone of a person I elected to represent me.
ReplyDeleteAs Stuart says, after years of experience in the bear pit itself, the real power lies in the hands of those who are untouchable because they make the rules.
DeleteJersey PLC is run on a superficial basis by the Office Managers (the States) but the Directors and Beneficial Owners are still the wealthy landowner and lawyer "Establishment" class, the feudal lords, just as it has always been for the past millennium or more.
If you make the rules, apply them, appoint the judges to try anyone who crosses your path, deny them legal aid, supply new laws for the useful idiots in the assembly to approve, you run the show. The States simply tinker with the day to day stuff to give the illusion of some degree of democracy.
And it's so well engineered, most of the useful idiots don't even realise that they're being played! To the extent that it sounds like conspiracy theory just to mention it. Neat trick, that.
Summary of the state of play of The Code of 1771
ReplyDeleteJersey integrity ripped apart by the findings of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism's Enablers team.
ReplyDeleteThis supports Stuart Syvret's view that ……………. well make your own mind up.
http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4029.msg62176#msg62176
This posting is perhaps one of the most critical that this blog site will perhaps be able to shed light upon.
ReplyDeleteSir Philip Bailhache has again raised yet again the prospect of Jersey becoming independent of the UK government due to the latest UK decision regarding the right of fishing in Jersey waters.
That is as may be but this posting is far more than that and it is simply about how we as an Island are governed, by that I mean our elected members but much more importantly our NONE elected government members.
If we take the suggestion of 'so called' independence for this Island (I am deliberately not including the other Islands here)how on earth do the none elected Law Officers (i.e Bailiff, Deputy Bailiff, Solicitor General etc fit into this proposed new scenario as they are all appointed by the crown and therefore if we do go independent this would most definitively no longer be the case (As an aside I have always felt that in my opinion the law officers have been the real problem with Government reform for centuries)
So Jersey becomes INDEPENDENT of the UK, what or who replaces the LAW OFFICERS, because they will most certainly have to be replaced by some other means if we are supposedly to become truly independent.
Perhaps Mike Dunn or someone who has the knowledge to answer this question may like to suggest what would be the solution.
I am like so many of my Islanders going to post this as 'Anonymous' that alone pretty much shows how the stain of the PTB hold over the people.
Pretty rich to hear failed politician and Bailiff Philip Bailhache whining about the UK government acting unconstitutionally over the fishing waters legislation given what the Bailiff's office has done down the years to try and silence the likes of the Pitmans and Stuart. This man's ego knows no bounds.
ReplyDeleteThis can't be true? The utterly useless Deputy Scott Wickenden lodging a proposition! Ah, okay, I see. It is aimed at undermining party politics. Get it now. But what about politicians who hate parties but campaign laughably as "a team" in their parish district? What a total hypocrite.
ReplyDeleteYou blind sheep have Covid 19 because you tollerate the hoax, it is never going away, it is the control mechanism to bring in the New World Order you halfwits. And Mike, I am extremeley disappointed with you, telling people that there are alternative options for information yet you yourself have been suckered into believing that the PLANdemic is real without a glance at the reams of proof on my blog? You still believe that the private corporation commonly known as government, will eventually act on your behalf, and for your benefit? Jesus H Tap-dancing Christ man, wake the hell up, they have been stealing from you the whole of your life!!! Mezec works for the private corporation known as Government, of course he is going to do what he is told by his CEO Dim Tim. If not, bang goes his 60 grand a year for doing virtually nothing!!! As Syvret once said when he actually possessed the ability of critical thinking, "The Government you deserve". Only trouble with that was the simple fact that the Government in Jersey was usurped by a private corporation centuries ago, same as in britain, america, new zealand, canada, india, philippines, australia....et al. You ALL deserve what is coming to you shortly, vaccination, martial law, internment camps, the Noahide Laws, and beheading!!! You all abandoned the Divine Creator's Laws....And please post this VFC, or I will on my blog tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteYeah, those private corporation governments like Allende's in Chile, Jacob Abenz in Guatamala et al? Wake up you dolt. Why do you think the likes of the Yankee Corps with Britains support had to take them down?
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ReplyDelete11. According to the Bar Association Manual and the Government Printing Office and Federal Bureau of Engraving and Black's Law Dictionary and the Chicago Manual of Style, the only things that can be named using All Capital Letters are (1) Corporations or (2) Dead men's estates.
20. Other foreign governments found registered as commercial corporations on the United States Securities and Exchange Commission are;
0000019957 REPUBLIC OF CHILE
Here are some a little closer to home;
12. LONDON FINANCE & INVESTMENT GROUP PLC/ADR/ is registered with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission as a foreign government under the number 0000356049.
13. UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION LTD is registered with Dun and Bradstreet as a commercial corporation, business address, 6 Sharon Court London N12 8NX England D-UN-S Number: 515721152.
14. UNITED KINGDOM is registered with the U.S. Security and Exchange Commission as a commercial corporation, business address, Parliament ST the Permanent Secretary, HM Treasury, London, SW1P. SEC CIK #0000314511.
15. MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT is registered with Dun and Bradstreet as a commercial corporation, business address, Portcullis House Bridge Street, LONDON, SW1A 0AA, D-U-N-S® Number: 211807693.
16. PARLIAMENT WESTMINSTER is registered with Dun and Bradstreet as a commercial corporation, business address, Houses of Parliament, LONDON, SW1A 0AA, D-U-N-S® Number: 217827830.
17. BORIS JOHNSON MP is registered with Dun and Bradstreet as a commercial corporation, business address, King Charles Street, LONDON, SW1A 2AH, GB, D-U-N-S Number: 223280138.
18. THERESA MAY MP is registered with Dun and Bradstreet as a commercial corporation, business address, House of Commons, Houses of Parliament, LONDON, SW1A 0AA, GB, D-U-N-S Number: 214092544.
19. JOHNSON MATTHEY PLC/ADR is registered with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission as a foreign government under the number 0001061194.
Dolt? Perhaps you should invest in a mirror!
DeleteFor those with a functioning brain, here is JERSEY
https://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-states-of-jersey-inc-working-to.html
Here is an easy to understand video to watch on the subject, even a complete and utter dolt/imbecile like myself got it after watching this.
https://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2020/10/what-exactly-is-boris-johnson-mp.html
Me thinks your problem might be that if any old shite posted on the net by assorted cream-crackers fits in with your selected evidence world view then it must be true.
DeleteDon't get me wrong. I look at your blog on and off and you post some great stuff. Sometimes.
But some of it is just bonkers and the people spouting it evidently in need of a bucket of cold water or a finger in the mains to jolt them back to reality. The loon babbling on about the face diapers was a good example. And I don't wear one either as it happens.
"The loon babbling on" as you put it, was actually Amandha Dawn Vollmer, the brilliant doctor who proved that what the World Health Organisation were calling Covid 19 was in actual fact, our Chromosome 8, our own bloody DNA!!! Here, take a look....
Deletehttps://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2020/08/chromosome-8-and-covid-scam-revealed.html
Interesting facts above but doesn't get past the point made my anonymous earlier. To suggest that governments operating from the idealogical position of the named Arbenz and Allende, and more importantly I would suggest, far more recent ones such as those of Cuba (and no I don't support all that regime has done), that of Evo Morales in Bolivia and the late Hugo Chavez in Venezuala show that governments can form and function for reasons other than profit for big business. Not least genuinely wanting a fairer world for the downtrodden. I must admit I would like to see Jersey's registration details. Maybe you can repeat if already posted?
ReplyDeleteI believe that the anonymous earlier was, in fact, you!!! FACT....UCC, Uniform Commercial Code is the ONLY man made law in existence on this earth today. So as for your little foray into "doesn't get past the point made my anonymous earlier"....Well anonymous is just that, anonymous, and actually had NO POINT! Maxim of Law, Ignorance of the law is no excuse, if you have not claimed your standing as a flesh and blood, living, breathing, sentient man or woman in this world then you fall under Maritime Admiralty Jurisdiction, a commercial slave, Chattel property! Maxim of Law, those who do not claim their rights have no rights.
DeleteThe Chile and the Guatemala nonsense above is wholly irrelevant, two corporations doing what they are doing via the commands and dictates of the CEO's who run those corporations, what on earth is the problem with that? If the people of those countries don't like it, then do something about it? Stand up and claim your Sovereignty over these Corporation, or stop whining!!! Of course, that is easier said than done unless you are prepared to put the effort in to learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
All through the cold war we were battling with Russia right? All through the first and second world wars we were battling with Hitler's Germany right? Then came our war with North Korea right? Now we are at loggerheads with China right? WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! All these asshole Nations around the earth are playing from a well crafted script, enemies to the end on many levels, bedfellows on other levels, and ALL running for the same goal, total domination of ALL peoples across the world. "THEY" play Nation off against Nation to confuse and cause fear in the real Sovereigns of this world, the men and the women.
And by Yahuah (G-D), fear is all you people know! Courage is a stranger to you and redemption a whim to be dreamt of!!!!!!!
Do you wear sandles and a sheet now spouting all of this baloney? Everyone who disagrees with even a part of what you say must be the same person? Lordy lord! Besides, whatever did the woe-mans do for us anyway?
DeleteYou are free to ignore, respond, and mock everything I write, not a problem to me. You crew in Jersey are the ones who are going to be up to your necks in it very shortly when the food runs out! You're going to need at least two too three years supply per man and woman to have any hope of survival. I'll wager that not one single reader of this blog except myself has stashed any food and water whatsoever. Food is being rationed now up in the north of England so stop wasting your time trashing me, and go prepare for the coming storm.
DeleteIf any of your readers wonders what a real dolt looks like I suggest they need look no further than Deputy Scot Wickenden and Senator Lyndan Farnham. This prize pair of idiots have lodged propositions that would do better if they just suggested Jersey becomes an official fascist state. 32 votes needed to alter the States in any way? That will never, ever happen. As for Wickenden stop party hating! And why not try to not break the election law next time you stand? Just for a change.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen what Terry Le Main has written about tomorrow's protest?
ReplyDelete'Terry Le Main - I shall not be interviewed by anyone tomorrow as it seems this peaceful protest is now being taken over by extremists who have NO CREDIBILTY in the eyes of very many people ....I shall attend supporting those who are or will be affected by having such a memorial and who DO NOT WANT IT...I am now worried that having Stuart Syvret and Neil McMurray involved in this protest it will turn off many people from attending...'
Tel Boy worrying about Neil? Ah how sweet. But be fair to the old moaner what he doesn't know about not having any credibility is not worth knowing!
DeleteI doubt it Tel Boy - I think the opposite because the public who attend will then get both sides of the story as they always have from VFC and SS. They are more than capable of speaking honestly and clearly if needed and more than likely received with the respect that they deserve. BTW, did you attend Tel and what was your ever respected opinion?!!
DeleteThe 1769 "revolution" was a good start, but things were hardly perfect 60 years later when Abraham_Le_Cras had to petition the Privy Council for some Royal Commissions to investigate the local corruption.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Abraham_Le_Cras
And it *still* hasn't been fully rectified.
That is because no one since Abraham_Le_Cras has had the balls to rectify it? As I have always said about Jersaaay! A nation of sheep, ruled by wolves, owned by pigs!!! Below is a link to my blog wherein the odious vermin, Sir William Bailhache, braggs that he lied, and also speaks about Abraham Le Cras.
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Hi Bloggers. This post has been up for a while now. From a personal angle I find some of the views a little depressing. Any chance of an interview with someone if no new topics are getting your juices boiling? I can't agree with the view that everything is corrupt and hopeless. There have been good people. There will be good people out there now. You wouldn't be doing what you do if that wasn't true. Maybe the former Jersey politician in your mugshot would share his current thoughts if you need a subject? Surely the key to everything is getting a few good people others could be inspired by to work together. Not easy I know. But I hold that it is true.
ReplyDeleteIt *is* depressing, yes, there's no getting away from that.
DeleteBut the truth remains that Jersey was strongly feudal for centuries, and only made *some* concessions in the form of the States Assembly and expanding who gets to vote.
Very little else has changed, despite us fooling ourselves that we're far more sophisticated these days with our indoor plumbing and electricity, combustion engine transport, food and goods from around the world, and all the toys we amuse ourselves with.
Who gets to prosecute or let an accused walk free? To decide on the judge if there's a trial? To deny representation? Were they elected? What oversight is there?
Anon at 11.28 this is the whole problem, or rather, you and people just like you are the whole problem here. You don't like the sound or direction of the matters to hand so you automatically wish it will all go away if you bury your head in the sand for long enough! You all want change, but none of you are prepared to change yourselves or your traits? And anon below, we actually don't have ANY courts anywhere in Britain, all we have are administrative tribunals dealing with banking disputes between the Captain of the Ship and the mates (mister's). It's contract law governed by the Uniform Commercial Code. Thanks.
DeleteAn interview regarding the state of Jersey politics with ex Deputy Pitman would be something of interest to me too. He hasn't blogged for five or six weeks which after a very long silence I initially hoped was a positive sign of his coming back on line. But perhaps he is just another one who has also given up on Jersey ever changing?
ReplyDeleteWhen it is confirmed that Dopey Donald Trump has lost the US election but takes it to the Supreme Court conveniently stacked with his stooges but still loses how about a campaign for him to become Jersey Chief Minister? Trump can't be any more bitter or looney than that Senator Moore now can he? just the bloke to restore confidence in the Jersey Way.
ReplyDeleteOne does have to wonder how well the Kiddie Sniffer Biden would fit in to the Jersey Establishment though!
DeleteWhat a pair! Make Le Fondre seem positively statesman-like? (Moore seems like a Trump supporter to me)
DeleteI would like to see Big Trev *TESTICULAR FORTITUDE* Pitman as the next Chief Minister. What a loss to our island he and his good lady wife are.
ReplyDeleteYou can hope. But the legendary Big Trev remains illegally barred from standing. And all while half the States should have lost their seats for breaking electoral expenses rules. Makes Trump's America look quite honest.
DeleteGraeme Butcher was Constable of St John between 2006 - 2011. Three years later he was charged by the Attorney General's office with misconduct in public office for misappropriation of Parish funds and sent to prison by the Royal Court for six months.
ReplyDeleteIn 2020 the present Constable Chris Taylor of St John was convicted of dangerous driving banned from driving for 18 months and fined £4,000 although he pleaded not guilty and took his case to trial. He tried to use Parish funds to fund his legal costs.
Apart from the fact a question mark hangs over his evidence he gave at trial, under oath, that was outweighed by the evidence of two cycle marshals, was his attempt to use the Parish funds also a misappropriation of Parish funds that led to the charge of misconduct in public office for the previous Constable?
The Royal Court has set a date for a two-day hearing for Mr Taylor and the two Parish Procureurs to attend to be questioned about the initial use of Parish funds. Would this process be the norm for the man on the street, for example misappropriating funds of his employer, or more importantly, why did Mr Butcher not have the same opportunity as Mr Taylor to have his case heard in the Royal Court before he was charged because what the Attorney General did in his case, which is the norm, he carried out the evidential and public interest test on the decision to prosecute and charged Mr Butcher and sent his case to the Royal Court.
So what would happen if it materialises within the two day hearing that they have attempted to misuse, misappropriate Parish funds whilst under questioning from the court? Will they be giving evidence under oath? Will they have legal representation? Would, or could the evidence then be used by the Attorney General's office to prosecute?
If there is a question mark over the use of the Parish funds, and the Attorney General is asking the court to decide, wouldn't it be more appropriate to present the evidence to the States of Jersey Police to investigate the case and pass their findings back to the Attorney General to decide if there is a case to answer because it seems that the very same court that will be questioning the three people will be conflicted if there are any criminal charges brought that would end up back in the Royal Court.
Will the two day hearing be open to the public?
A further question to ask would be "has Constable Chris Taylor got parliamentary privilege?"
DeleteWe know, from when disgraced former Deputy Andrew Lewis was found to have told lies (under oath) by the Independent Jersey Care Inquiry, he was protected by parliamentary privilege and could NOT be charged with perjury like anybody else who might have lied under oath. Has Chris Taylor got the same protection?
Isn't there another aspect to this though? I seem to recall that there is some kind of a rule where you can't self incriminate in court? Meaning whatever is said in the two-day court hearing can't be used as evidenc against them?
What the above brilliantly well made points make clear is that Trevor Pitman, and obviously is wife Shona too, was just wanted out by the establishment and its Royal Court was the ideal tool to achieve this. Imagine how these two would have been pilloried if they had behaved like Taylor, Butcher or Andrew Lewis. Put it this way, if I had been one of those the Pitmans took to court I wouldn't have wanted them made bankrupt. I would have been begging, demanding the court not to follow this course. As popular politicians they would almost certainly have both been in the States now. The important bit being that I would have had a good chance of getting my money back. Andrew Lewis should have been removed by any self-respecting court and Taylor likewise in my opinion because of what he was meant to have done in ramming a police cycle marshall. How fascinating to also reflect that has Butcher or Taylor been made bankrupt back in 2014 neither would have lost their seats because the law didn't apply to Constables.
DeleteJust a quick thank you to the person who sent me the photos of "James Lewis" recently. They will go with the others and it DOES look like they will be getting used.
ReplyDeletePublish them please!
DeleteThe one of him in the dress is my favourite.
DeleteIs it true that Sam Mezec is resigning as a Minister before Tuesday's vote?
ReplyDeleteDeputy Montfort Tadier, and Senator Sam Mezec of Jersey's only political party, Reform Jersey resign their Assistant/Ministerial roles in government and support Vote of No CONFIDENCE.
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