Bailiff Donald Bailhache
Before we start; it has to be stressed (while it's still semi legal) that this Blog Posting is an "opinion" from a member of the public and Social Media/mainstream media contributor. It is difficult knowing where to start with this posting/opinion. We could start with that first we had the brother as BORIS BAILHACHE and now we've got Donald Bailhache.
Jersey's unelected and unaccountable Bailiff William Bailhache has reportedly used his speech (17th September 2018 at Assize D’Heritage in the Royal Court) to attack the mainstream media and Social Media. He has attacked free speech and this is yet another reason why the outdated and out of touch (with the modern digital era) position of Bailiff should be consigned to history.
If what has been reported is correct then one can only assume that the Bailiff's speech was written by Donald Trump. According to the BBC:
"Jersey's Bailiff has described irresponsible reporting in the media as a threat to the rule of law.
In a speech to lawyers at the start of the legal year, Sir William Bailhache said that unregulated social media allowed uninformed opinions to be given free rein - even if they aren't based on fact.
He said that could be damaging to the respect people have for the government and the legal process.
And he said a further danger was that mainstream media would try to keep up with social media by putting forward people's opinions as news.
He asked news organisations to keep their output free from uninformed gossip or chatter."
As we said where does one start with this? Let's start with the
first paragraph:
"A threat to the rule of law." Exactly what "rule of law" is he talking about? The rule of law that has political dissidents imprisoned or bankrupted? The rule of law that has an opposition politician's place of residence turned over by a 10 strong police unit without a search warrant? A (possibly illegal) suspension of a Chief Police Officer whose force was investigating DECADES of covered up Child Abuse? An (unaccountable) Attorney General's Office who won't prosecute powerful alleged Child Abusers, paedophiles and rapists? The list could go on, and on, but for brevity let's leave it there and perhaps readers would have other examples.
Second paragraph:
"unregulated social media allowed uninformed opinions to be given free rein - even if they aren't based on fact."
I mean what the flick??? People have opinions, "based on fact" or otherwise, and what, they shouldn't be allowed to share them??? Words do actually fail me here because I don't think I have come across anything so ridiculous in my life.
Third paragraph:
"could be damaging to the respect people have for the government and the legal process."
Really? exactly what "respect" is he talking about? The last social survey which asked the question(s) reported (if memory serves correct and stand to be corrected) 75% of those surveyed had no confidence in the government and 50% had no confidence in our so-called "justice" system. What kind of respect does he believe the State has? He should probably read more social Media, and indeed comments (from the public who shouldn't have an opinion aired) on MSM online articles. Here is an example of Jersey's "JUSTICE" SYSTEM.
Fourth paragraph:
"mainstream media would try to keep up with social media by putting forward people's opinions as news."
I've got breaking news for the Bailiff. It is the mainstream media's job to be a voice of/for the public. It is not there to be (or shouldn't be) a mouthpiece for the government, nor unelected, unaccountable, outdated Bailiffs/Crown Officers. To quote George Orwell:
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” The Bailiffs and all Crown Officers should learn that in the new digital era people are able to be held to account like never before. Being held to account is an alien concept to Crown Officers and rather than attempting to legislate against free speech they should get with the times and embrace a new, open, digital world. Take onboard the criticisms and adapt accordingly rather than employing "The Jersey Way" tactic of oppression and Kangaroo (secret) Courts to silence critics. Why not work with the critics in order to win over the public's trust and confidence?
Fifth paragraph:
"He asked news organisations to keep their output free from uninformed gossip or chatter."
Who does he think he is asking the media what (not) to report? If he has a problem with the media then he should complain to the relevant authorities. We are forever being told how well regulated the MSM is and Social Media isn't! Why doesn't he make a complaint to the police quoting P.19/2016?
Of course, those of us familiar with the Leveson Inquiry are aware that the MSM is NOT regulated and P.19/2016 was a tool to silence "public opinion" and not the opinion of the great and good.
But what about the media's role in all this? The JEP has reported on the Bailiff's speech as have the Bailiwick Express, CTV and the BBC that I am aware of and yet not one journalist has challenged this unprecedented attack on free speech? How much do these "journalists" respect their profession?
(predominantly MSM) across America and world-wide. How can our media remain so silent when its profession is under such attack? This isn't just an attack on the MSM and I believe both Social Media and the MSM should be fighting in the same corner here. The fact that it's Social Media challenging this attack on free speech and the MSM, thus far, remaining silent is not a good start (or look for the MSM). Unfortunately there is still an element of the MSM that see responsible, respected, Blogs such as ours as a threat. It is time they started working with us rather than remaining silent when free speech its under attack. We have, and do, work well with some reporters in the MSM but others need to drop their prejudice for the greater good in holding power to account and being a voice for the voiceless.
Ironically the MSM look to have committed the offence William Bailhache has accused them of. They have reported his words/opinion, and thus far, not provided, or asked for, any evidence to back up his wide-sweeping allegations (opinion). Perhaps he, and parts of the MSM, think it's ok for unelected, unaccountable members of the State, to have published any opinion they want and not back it up with evidence and it's just the plebs who can't have their opinions published/broadcast?
I have asked BBC Radio Jersey to invite the Bailiff onto its "hot seat" programme in order to back up his claims and be held to account like mere (elected/accountable) mortals do. I have also expressed that I would relish the opportunity to sit alongside the Bailiff on the programme representing Social Media and hold him to account myself. I've been told by the BBC it would put that invitation to the Bailiff so I will keep readers posted as to whether that happens......................................................or not..............................
Brilliant post.
ReplyDeleteYou have made the point by your example complete with more than enough evidence.
Perhaps the Bailiff (and former AG) would turn his attention from responsible social media to the trolls who are attempting to subvert them.
I fear we will be waiting ... ... ...
Oops.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to ask you for your full address at La Moye.
Verily, I jest, but only barely.
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Bit of hypocrisy going on here because it reads like you do not like the Bailiff using his free speech.
ReplyDeleteYou really ought to read the Blog Posting with an open mind. You have submitted a comment (opinion) not backed up by evidence and expect me to publish it (which I have). Should the Bailiff get his way your opinion would not see the light of day.
DeleteAlso there is no hypocrisy involved at all. I am challenging the Bailiff and not trying to silence him. Indeed I have given him a Blog Posting of his very own. He wants silence, and not to be challenged. I on the other hand want openness and free speech which is why I have published your comment.
Okay but I wouldn't give the Bailiff any airtime.
DeleteHe's going, the clock is ticking, so forget about him and his out of touch views.
Recall that this is the man who got all huffy when Jesus Christ was mentioned in the States during debate and then stopped the sitting. He's an idiot and not worth the energy.
@12:29 "Okay but I wouldn't give the Bailiff any airtime. He's going, the clock is ticking, so forget about him"
DeleteClocks are indeed ticking and there are trains coming......
We have had the £23,000,000 Oldham special which was an exclusive tickets-only service with a pre-determined destination and nobbled points.
We have had the £150,000,000 Family-X train wreck that all happened while the whistleblower health minister was being ousted, derided, prosecuted and imprisoned by Team-Paedo-cover-up.
For the moment I don't think we can "forget" about Baby Bailhache while he is still the island's lord and master and presides over both the law and our impotent parliament.
The justice-express will take a few years to arrive but we won't "forget" either of Bailhache boys and their part in this.
Well I will put my Money down and say no Trains are ever coming because you've been saying this for far too long.
Delete'The justice-express will take a few years to arrive'
DeleteThe more you keep on saying this without anything actually happening the sillier it looks.
Over the past year almost 20 paedophiles have been found guilty of either online grooming or indecent images and video. They have been charged, they have been imprisoned, so nobody can say the Jersey Police are not taking the subject seriously.
The problem isn't so much with the pedophiles who are being charged. It's more with the protected ones who aren't.
DeleteIn that case all I can guess is that the evidential tests have not been secure enough for some to be charged. Its the same with many Rape cases and sadly a situation that re-occurs time and time again due to one word against another.
DeleteThat's right @16:48 all perfectly innocent and normal, as was pulling the plug on the prosecution of the physical, sexual and emotional abuser of generations of children on account of the 'gentleman' having cancer
Delete…….only for him to be discovered by the BBC *literally* fighting fit, living in France
It would have been churlish for Bailhache and his offices to require proof of the seriousness of the medical condition of this abuser before halting the prosecution of this abuser.
There are many instances like this and probably many more that we do not know about.
Quality article. Bailhache The cheeky so and so. He and his closed circle have a narrow and clearly defined view of the world which they reinforce between themselves. They regard anyone who thinks differently as just plain wrong. Also it is significant and saddening that once again it is the social media who are drawing attention to this threat to free speech and civilised values and attempting to provoke the official media to come out from behind the settee and defend themselves. Perhaps they have already been beaten into submission or have been a part of the problem all along. If so they are as worthless as they are spineless. Wouldn't it be great if just for once the establishment stopped trying to shoot the messenger and listened to the message. Not much chance of that I fear as long as there is a Bailhache watching every move.
ReplyDeleteBrill piece. Bailhache has balls the size of cannon balls to start lecturing the rest of us like that. God forbid the plebs pipe up and question the power of Don Billy and his puppet parliament of gangsters and grifters.
ReplyDeleteFFS.I am guessing that Bailhache is moaning about the countless people questioning the Court's treatment of paedophiles.
ReplyDeleteJersey is handing out 6 Month sentences to perverts who are trying to encourage children to do revolting things with them, and people have a right to ask - is that a deterrent? Paedophiles should be getting 6 years inside and life on the Register but the wimpy court system here headed by Bailhache doesn't do it and it makes people sick.
Get used to online opinion Bailhache, that ain't going away whilst paedophiles walk the streets in Jersey and your Court do sweet FA to stop it.
One would like to read the entire speck by WB. It is not his first foray into politics. Indeed, that a senior judge does venture along this primrose path is an incitement of the many roles (conflicted) of the Bailiff.
ReplyDeleteThat there is no criticism from the MSM is not surprising. Their function is a propaganda one, defending the interests of the holders of power and the rich. Deference ensures they will not question state authority.
I've yet to speak with another lawyer who agreed with William Bailhache's remarks. The man was always a fool. There was an era when the Jersey Bar didn't especially mind the preening prancing poseurs, invariably of low professional skill and calibre, who inevitably inherited the Crown Officer posts. As long as they were the proverbial safe-pair-of-hands, kept their mouths largely shut, and didn't rock-the-boat. The Bailhache brothers and the medieval fools they in turn recruited have been catastrophic for the Jersey legal profession. I thank God I'm nearing retirement. I feel for younger colleagues faced with trying to rebuild some trust and respect with civil and democratic society in Jersey. They face a destabilised and uncertain future. The well has been poisoned by 30 years of unconstrained eccentricity and stupidity by Philip and William. Really, how on Earth did Jersey get here? When the legal profession and the organs of the administration of justice are, understandably, seen as little more than a form of mafia by thousands of decent people, and a 'system' which rushed to the shielding of their attackers by hundreds of child-abuse victims? Some wiser heads in the Bar see the huge task of rebuilding trust and respectability before us.
ReplyDeleteIt is up to us to ensure that bullies and eccentrics are purged from the Island's judiciary. One of our problems has been the widespread fear felt by most lawyers when the need to confront and challenge either of the Bailhache brothers arose. They were not challenged by senior figures when they should have been. I am at fault myself. God knows we should have moved professionally against these idiots at least 15 years ago.
It requires no genius to understand that those who oppose the position of Bailiff and who seek more ammunition for their criticisms of Jersey were almost certainly wishing for him to say something akin to that which he said. When they read his desperately eccentric and intellectually feeble attack upon journalism and free-speech they will have rubbed their hands with glee.
I am going to attempt to belatedly make up for my past failure to act, and try and persuade legal colleagues that we cannot afford another 6 months of this. Not least because those of us who know the individuals involved know that our industry-threatening problems do not cease with the departure of William B. There is not one person of high calibre in a senior Jersey judicial position. Indeed, there are every grounds for fearing that some of the incumbents may prove worse than Philip and William. Crown authority must be rescued from this decadent era, and if the Jersey Bar does not rise to that task, sooner or later, someone else will. We will not like the consequences should that come to pass.
Good luck with the putch. Clearly the Law Officer's Department is out of control and run by a ruffian imported for his essential quality of being vicious. When will our "politicians" wake up to the issue that the deep state is a danger to civil society?
ReplyDeleteAnon 23.52 - Our Politicians wont do nothing - they are afraid of the criminal mafia that have taken charge of our island.
DeleteJersey's SICK List
ReplyDeleteGreat to see a Blog finally keeping a record of these bastards.
DeleteName and shame forever.
“You sort of get sucked into it”?
DeleteThat statement has just knocked me ill. No one all of a sudden finds themselves with 1,000’s of indecent pictures and videos of children!! Who the f*ck is this prick kidding?! Still justifying his seedy dysfunctional desires...needs exterminating. You can’t “fix” that. The age of him. He’s ALWAYS been at it...just the first time he’s been caught!!!
“More than 45,000 indecent images as well as guides explaining how to make pornographic videos of children and how to groom young people were found on repeat-offender Bourke’s electronic devices.
DeleteBourke – who was jailed in 2012 for three years after almost 15,000 indecent images and movies were found on his computer”
So he was imprisoned 6 years ago for hauling 15,000 indecent images and movies only to treble it up after leaving prison later with 45,000 of the same. Is that taking the piss of the early release system or what?
Tougher sentencing powers come into force in Mid November.
DeleteHopefully the Courts will use them and do something about these paedophile freaks attempting to groom children on dating websites all the time.
Part 1:
ReplyDeleteHow appropriate that the Jersey Bailiff chose the Assize d'Heritage to spout his words of Norman wisdom on the traditions of democratic journalism in Jersey.
It was at this very same ceremony on 28 September 1769 that several hundreds of the Jersey public marched upon and "stormed" the Royal court (then in session) demanding "REFORM".
Their demands were famously entered into the Court Record book of the day so that there could be no doubts about what they wanted and the outcome was that the Royal Court lost its assumed power to "legislate" without the public being consulted and the agreement of the Privy Council. In other words it was the start of "democratic government" with a separated States Assembly and the Code of Laws of 1771 that followed was an attempt to clarify which laws actually applied in the Island.
The Bailiff in those days was an absentee De Carteret who never visited Jersey but appointed Charles Lempriere as his despotic Lieutenant who "governed" Jersey with his relatives and fellow cronies extorting as much money as they could from the residents of the Island who mostly lived in desperate poverty.
Then as now the Assize d'Heritage was an "oath swearing" occasion for the feudal Seigneurs and other officials and lawyers but whilst then as now - swearing an oath was one thing - actually making the officials abide with their obligations was something entirely different.
Sadly, Lempriere was allowed to "scribble out" the official record so that even today we don't know exactly what the brave dissenters actually wrote into the record. But it is still there and all attempts to have it examined using modern technology have so far not amounted to anything. The States were invited to do this officially by Deputy Pitman a few years ago but declined. The Jersey Archive did ask the States Police to try and the Customs service also were invited to try - but so far nothing has emerged but as I have written many times, the two Volume "History of Jersey" - "An authentic narrative of the Oppressions of the Islanders of Jersey" written by John Shebbeare and published in 1771 - describes what the discontented public really wanted.
Pert 2:
ReplyDeleteOf course there was no newspaper published in Jersey then and when one did appear a few years later the still very powerful Royal Court tried to close it down by prosecuting the editor for libel.
Then as now, the Jersey "authorities" did not like critical views being expressed so trying to discredit anything that does not suit the official agenda is nothing new. As Charlie Parker has made clear he wants more "good news" to be published about his reforming activities and the "accredited media" (whatever that might mean) are usually ready and willing to publish almost any official Press Releases without too much investigation. As always, the revenue from public and private advertisers and support for the "traditional" line and the approved economic activities - whether 18th century smuggling or 21st century finance - are unlikely to be much criticized.
Significantly, Trevor Pitman did manage to convince the States that 28 September should be officially celebrated each year as "JERSEY REFORM DAY" but this has never happened. Even the Bailiff's office refuses to enter the date into the annual flag raising days diary of Jersey. It has thus been more or less scribbled out from the record in the 21st century just as it was in the 18th.
Almost any other community would at least name a street after such an event.
Of course, Constable Norman had promised that the 250th anniversary would be officially recognized in some way (in 2019) when he still had a role in PPC but now he has moved to Home Affairs it is not known whether Deputy R Labey will support this.
Somewhat similarly, it was officially promised in the States in response to Deputy Pitman's Proposition, that the Education Department would ensure that the details of events of 28 September 1769 would be taught in schools. As yet, in spite of my several requests and attempts, I have been unable to discover what, if anything is taught.....
So it is especially significant that 249 years after the peaceful mini-revolution that was so important in the formation of democratic government in Jersey, that the Bailiff retains such extraordinary powers and still oversees so much that takes place within and outside of the States.
Presumably, some would see this as an indication of support for Jersey's "ancient traditions"…
In a place where judge-made law is endemic and Bailhache used his own 'opinion' to substitute for hard evidence in inventing reasons/excuses not to prosecute his chum Mr K Baby Bailhache really must be having a laugh..
ReplyDeleteTom Gruchy - Reform Day will never be recognised because 1: it celebrates the last successful challenge of the Establishment. 2: the proposition was brought and somehow won by a figure who terrified the Establishment, Trevor Pitman. What we can do to right this wrong I do not know. Jersey is just bent.
ReplyDeleteDon't I remember you mentioning a hoped for interview with Mr P? If so what happened to it and him? Could do with him now to brighten up these bland unquestioning times.
Delete'it celebrates the last successful challenge of the Establishment'
DeleteWhat Establishment?
Compared to 10 years ago this COM is completely different.
Different CM, AG, Chief of Police, even the Dean and the Bailiff on the move.
When we have elections and new people are elected or employed it cannot be assumed they are to be forever labelled as the old guard.
"What Establishment?" @18:16
DeleteLet me explain with the "dirty jon analogy"
The Establishment is like the dirty water that forms a little whirlpool when it is flowing down into the sewer.
The water, turds, hairballs and other detritus is indeed just passing through
….but the whirlpool remains there even though sewerage that forms it is constantly changing.
It is really not that complicated. I hope this simple explanation helps you to understand and maybe even find yourself.
I do like the Dirty Jon explanation of the Establishment.
DeleteI guess every election is like flushing the bog and hoping for a better smell over the coming few years.
But flush the Jon as we might the smell remains persistently unpleasant.
Maybe it is because we just can't get rid of a few 'floaters':
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2015/05/jersey-child-abuse-inquiry-and-william.html
"What Establishment?
DeleteCompared to 10 years ago this COM is completely different.
Different CM, AG, Chief of Police, even the Dean and the Bailiff on the move."
I'm sure regular readers of this blog are educated enough and smart enough to understand the basic modus operandi of mafias.
In which case they will know that the coming and going of mere individuals does not afford any meaningful insight into the power held by families.
Individuals are mere here-now-gone-now pulses on the surface of 'our-thing'.
But this is the 21st century and as nostalgic as we may be 'our-thing' metastasised, so much, the cancer sits in-plain-sight.
Capos were, peradventure, always disposable.
'Our thing', not so much.
It has been suggested to me by colleagues who work in Jersey that your local property prices are beginning to show signs of tanking, commercial property especially, in spite of best efforts to disguise that fact. That is a most interesting suggestion as it would be all-of-a-piece with the mysterious bale out by so many of your local establishment people in the build up to your recent elections. Power and money (is there any differentiation really) have always banked on being well informed ahead of the herd.
ReplyDeleteDo we see the sight of chips being cashed?
Interesting times.
Switzerland & UK dont want Abromvich (CHelsea) but take the money Jersey welcomes with open arms so much for Finance doing their checks (or not)
ReplyDeleteWith all these oligarchs swarming in with the Finance Party blessing if ever a politician should repeat Trevor Pitman's bold stunt of forcing out the true tax contribution in 5K bands of these tax dodgers they would likely get the benefit of the threat to Pitman revealed at the Care Inquiry, I.e. a live bullet delivered by gun. Or maybe in these modern, enlightened days a lethal perfume bottle. Deputy Jess perhaps you should tread carefully?
ReplyDeleteLove Billy's new haircut! Great mock up. Great post.
ReplyDeleteWhat is lined up to celebrate Reform Day in Jersey this year may I ask Tom?
ReplyDeleteIf Donald Bailhache has the final say... Sweet FA.
DeleteYou might thin Reform Jersey would promote this appalling situation big time. But no. Chairman May possibly too busy getting selfies with Emily Thornbury.
DeleteAny news on ex-Senator Syvret? He seems very quiet of late. How we could do with he and ex-Deputy Pitman blogging again.
ReplyDeleteOh, I'm just doing what I've always done.
DeleteBeing an historian.
Stuart Syvret
May I ask Mr Syvret if he thinks it timely for your island to begin making appropriate capital provision for a second prison?
DeleteThose of us who follow events have genuinely wondered how you are going to fit them all in, when the train arrives. Which will not now be long by all accounts! I know colleagues who are making provisional arrangements to be in Jersey to observe the trials. Prosecutions for judicial corruption are (hitherto) comparatively rare in Britain. Some see a whole new legal specialism evolving.
Well, that's actually an important consideration. As a ready-reckoning, I can easily see about two-hundred-&-fifty convicts additional to present numbers. That much is plain from the evidence archive of the supposed "public-inquiry" (no - the mafia haven't succeeded in removing that body of evidence from public knowledge; Operation Kraken has it all.) There are literally dozens and dozens - at least - of prima facie criminal offences (perverting the course of justice, racketeering, fraud, misconduct in public office, embezzlement) clear on the face of that evidence. As I pointed out to the police on Wednesday.
DeleteHell, not least the criminal offences demonstrated in the conduct of those running the "public-inquiry" itself.
Stuart Syvret
Anonymous @ 20:44, your comment seems to indicate knowledge that you are aware of steps being taken to prosecute judicial corruption here in Jersey. This is despite the fact that those presently responsible for the administration of justice, the Bailiff and the Attorney General, do not appear to have taken any steps to deal with the problem to date. Can you elaborate on what is known, by the colleagues that are making provisional arrangements to be in Jersey for the trials, that would indicate that action is being taken?
DeleteI agree that Jersey has a very serious judicial corruption problem, however, it is not clear what is being done about it, and in what timeframes. A whole new legal specialism may well evolve, as you appears to say, in the challenging of judicial acts that have been motivated by the intent to confer advantage one way or the other.
My good fellow, there is nothing mysterious about the nature of unfolding events. People working in certain fields of law, the type of specialisms which lead them to have highly placed contacts at national level law enforcement, and similar state agencies, for example, know that elements of corruption have been implanted by the Jersey establishment and its 'clients' into the heart of the UK judicial system. This calculated process began around 35 years ago, with limited (and sensible) 'ambitions' at that time. But swine presented with unguarded troughs will not proceed to eat with moderation. Through beneficial relationships with City institutions and the Inns of Court, the Jersey 'economy' nurtured, fostered and rewarded its London judicial contacts. Jersey influence and ownership now extends to a high level in the United Kingdom judiciary. That fact has not gone unnoticed amongst the more modern and intelligent elements within the United Kingdom security services who rightly see the displayed judicial corruption as a threat to the state.
DeleteA state, any competent and secure state, will defend its institutions from the grasps and manipulations of mafias. High level corruptions within the UK judicial system, corruptions favorable to the Jersey system, have been identified by the forces of law and order. That recognition cannot be undone. In the fullness of time (it isn't the 'British way' to rush dramatically into these 'unfortunate' and 'distasteful' necessities) the judicial corruption here will be extirpated.
Once that has happened, then attention will be turned upon the mafia control of your judiciary in Jersey who will, by then, no longer have the protectors they presently rely on. There is nothing at all surprising or sophisticated about this. The Jersey and City money laundering machine has possessed remarkable effrontery. Given that, was it imagined any other outcome was likely? Some 'flexibilities' and 'understandings' can be tolerated. Grotesque and anarchic indiscretions not so.
Insofar as your 'Bailiff and Attorney General not appearing to have taken any steps to deal with the problem', come, come; can capos move against Dons? Let us not be foolish my friend.
The London protectors of your Jersey mob will be moved against first. They have presumed the maintenance of their greeds and appetites to be of greater importance than the safety and standing of the British state. For that offence a fearful lesson is going to be handed down.
Your comments above seem to suggest that “judicial corruption” has a different meaning to the British State, compared to how it might be understood in a local context. It also seems to suggest that the Jersey mafia is not headed by the usual suspects, presently the Bailache Brothers, but rather some Dons that they report to, as capos.
DeleteThe trouble with judicial corruption is that it seems to be “political” in nature; it operates as a state-within-a-state which, when combined with corruption of the executive, undermines democracy. My own experience of judicial corruption over an extended period is that it involves a considerable proportion of the judiciary from the Royal Court to the Privy Council, and those reporting to Her Majesty. In my experience, it I shall not clear whether it is “by design”, handed down by the Crown.
Those that have adopted the corrupt party line appear to have been rewarded by knighthoods and lordships.
Yes very mysterious why the likes of ex politicians Syvret and Pitman have disappeared off the face of the earth. Maybe they are waiting for the right time to reserect themselves. The time could soon be right!
ReplyDeleteIt is September 28th. Passed unremarked. As people are asking about Mssrs Pitman and Syvret may I make a suggestion. Time for a review of the senator election of a decade ago - 2008.
ReplyDeleteI have been thinking about this for some time.
DeleteThe overall and parish results are available online.
Is it possible to obtain more detailed data; e.g. results for each poling station?
Does anyone know please?
The Deputy election that year produced the best States ever.
DeleteI'm so glad you went to the police Stuart. I just hope this time they are 100% serious. If it was Lenny Harper or Graham Power like in 2006-8 era, you would be dealt with professionally. Same info presented to Gradwell and Warcupp and you've zero chance of professionaism. I wonder is the new Chief Officer any good or is he corrupt like the last lot.
ReplyDeleteIt's been a new Chief Of Police and a new Home Affair Minister in the last few months. Is this good or bad? Time will soon tell.
ReplyDeleteGood to hear from Stuart that he is well. Regarding the also vanished Trevor should I ever find where/how to contact him I will be writing him a long letter pleading with him to come back and stand in 2022. A shoe in as Stuart would be if he had not already ruled himself out. This States is so bad, so cowardly, so dull I would even consider voting for Trump or Garage!
ReplyDeleteGarage? If you mean Nigel Farage thene too. This States Assembly is truly dire.
DeleteThe perfect antidote to FAKE NEWS would be BALD TRUTH! Ha, ha took me 30 minutes to come up with that. Keep up the excellent work.
DeleteVery disappointing to learn no celebration of Reform Day once again. Mike Dun must be sick to the back teeth after all of his great work educating people about this. Do we even know if anyone asked a States question about this afront this year?
ReplyDeleteSo who is the new Chief of Police? The old one is still here, with local quals given to him. The new Home Affairs Minister is Constable Len Norman. Will he want/promote change? Don't think so.
ReplyDeleteThe train is moving, very slowly but nevertheless moving forward.
ReplyDeleteAny chance of that interview with Big Trev? My mate is convinced he glimpsed the fella at the Labour conference.
ReplyDeleteWhere have I seen this man before?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/business/local-design-agency-rebrands-under-new-ownership/#.W7RkmmhKjIU
'Image Matters'
DeleteOh the irony.
Andy
DeleteWow I always suspected that the Image group are really pretty crap and unoriginal at this advertising and promotion lark and now quite clearly its confirmed in my eyes at least. Given that this is their shop window they are presenting it seems to me that they can't even come up with some original thought. I remember well a kitchen place at St Aubins called "Design Matters" which always struck me as a clever name working on several levels for that particular business. To now see that apparently plagiarized as "Image matters" is just plain lazy. Lucky its for their own business because if I were the client I would simply not pay for this shite.
DeleteI'm wondering if maybe a better, but still plagiarized choice might have been "lies Matter".
JRCbean
Here is THE LINK to "Andy's" new image.
DeleteAndy Lewis, Director and recorded liar by the Independent Jersey Care Inquiry, said: 'I am looking forward to ruining this Company with my disgraced Public Image'
DeleteYou can't polish a Turd Andy.
DeleteAmong the services we offer are assistance in the ….errr "correct" exposure of child abuse, lying to the public and the States and the unlawful hijack of police forces
DeleteWe can do these things with complete immunity:
www.itv.com/news/channel/2017-07-06/deputy-andrew-lewis-will-not-face-criminal-proceedings-for-lying/
Thank you for publishing VFC.
DeleteIn Jersey Syvret could have been prosecuted (directly or indirectly) for telling the truth to the CoI, whereas as a then sitting states member, Lewis could be advised by his taxpayer funded legal team that he could lie to the CoI with impunity.
What a farce!
In spite of the legal protection given to Lewis for lying, surely a jurisdiction with any determination to stamp out corruption and child abuse could have prosecuted him (and all others who might have been involved e.g Walker, Bailhache etc. for misconduct in public office?
A comment has been left by "I have imagined a damning report." Sorry I am unable to publish due to the "covering up of Child Abuse."
ReplyDeleteVFC, I quite understand your unwillingness to risk being hauled before Jersey's corrupt court processes.
DeleteIt is noteworthy that Jersey was happy to delay for years updating the evidential tests and laws which protect children until after the HDLG cases were over in order to minimise the number of prosecutions and protect the higher up perpetrators.
While continuing the neglect of child protection they were happy to spend time and money on writing and misusing rafts of legislation from Data Protection to this:
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2016/05/p192016-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing.html
There are other comments on this thread which may "offend" Liar Lewis so I am surprised that my comment was judged inappropriate.
There were several motivations for the unnecessary, unlawful and fraudulent suspension of Jersey's Chief of Police -and the further undermining of the investigation into child abuse is patently one of them.
Given the state's unwillingness to prosecute well connected abusers and it's enthusiasm for constructing prosecution of critics and dissidents your concern is understandable.
In law the devil is in the detail (literally). To extend your protection as far as possible the text of my comment included the phrase *assistance* in the coverup of child abuse.
In almost anywhere but a corrupt Jersey court the unlawful suspension of the Chief of Police who allowed the proper investigation of decades of child abuse would be seen as assistance in the coverup of child abuse.
I will resubmit. Are you able to publish or do you need the comment toning down further?
Be great. But why would he after all that has been done to him simply for doing what all our representatives should do as part of their job? We can hope but a bit like hoping King Arthur will awaken and return from under the hills to save us from evil.
DeleteRoll on 2022. Maybe we will have a progressive worth voting for? #comebackbaldtruth
ReplyDeleteWhile it should not have to be, it is encouraging to see a commenter appreciate the precarious position you are in and not go off in a huff when their comment (unavoidably) needs to be redacted (censored).
ReplyDeleteIt is a tribute to the seriousness of this blog and the maturity of its commenters (pace Jon).
I recollect a similar occasion during the Inquiry when your redaction was taken on trust by a commenter though it did upset them at the time.
You are putting a huge amount of work, effort and commitment into keeping the pot on the boil while staying out of La Moye and I'm sure this is appreciated by the vast bulk of your readers.
It's a lonely posting but a worthy one.
I can only but agree 100% Polo. I have known VFC for quite a while now and as you are aware, he is a very honorable man who blogs with passion for wrongdoings. I am not aware of him having put a foot wrong, and I also am aware that he would be sadly missed if he ever decided to stop. Now we are lacking in some of the other bloggers we need and admire you Voice, so keep it up.
DeleteWell Gill I read 2 comments aimed at Andrew Lewis on this particular post as deliberate trolling and designed to cause him, his business and his family offence.
DeleteNot the actions of an honourable man but an idiot in my book.
"Not the actions of an honourable man but an idiot in my book"
DeleteYou do sum up Andrew Lewis well @14:14
Think about the enormity of unlawfully suspending Jersey's Chief of Police during an investigation into decades of child abuse.
Think about lying about it at the time and for years after
www.itv.com/news/channel/2017-07-06/deputy-andrew-lewis-will-not-face-criminal-proceedings-for-lying/
It is important not to fixate on Lewis any more than on that looser who made death threat phone calls and then ironically was recruited to take part in the secret court case to silence the Health Minister.
Lewis is just the useful idiot and the fall guy. The intervention of the Bailiff to try to shut Lewis up during the in camera debate was most interesting don't you think?
The Bailiff: "Minister, do not go down this road please."
An odd intervention from Mr Bailhache.
I have yet to hear a plausible explanation of this intervention other than that the Bailiff was party to the unlawful coup to hijack the policing function and that Lewis was wittering far beyond what he had been coached to say and was digging his co-conspirators a hole from which they would never extricate themselves.
Please explain.
Please also explain why your stated concern is for the perpetrator of this act rather than the actual victims who include the Police Chief as well as many hundreds of abused children.
"Think about the enormity of unlawfully suspending Jersey's Chief of Police during an investigation into decades of child abuse."
DeleteOperation Rectangle was taken over by other equally capable and qualified Police Officers. The Care Inquiry concluded that the suspension had no effect on the Inquiry so lets stop peddling conspiracy based on fake news.
"The Care Inquiry concluded that the suspension had no effect on the Inquiry"
DeleteIt certainly seems to have put paid to Mick Gradwell's scheduled interview with Person 737, so who knows what else it stymied.
The Inquiry is not entitled to make such an assertion as (i) it depended on such information as was fed to it and at the official end that was filtered, and (ii) its own estimation of what was and what was not relevant to the Inquiry was inconsistent.
The main benefit of the Inquiry, in my view, was the evidence submitted to it and published (save for a few redactions) under privilege. And now incidentally that is under lock and key.
Whether you agree with the Inquiry or not has zero relevance.
DeleteThe COI Report is what this Government has taken onboard to work with does so already.
The CoI into decades of covered up child abuse FAILED to find any evidence of cover up.
DeleteThe CoI was an incompetent fake
The CoI is of zero relevance except for the partial testimony that was put in the public domain and which has now been hidden from public scrutiny
They just want Jersey corruption and child abuse to be kept secret.
'The CoI was an incompetent fake'
DeleteHave you told States Members and the Children's commissioner this?
The Children's Commissioner is scarcely worth her massive salary if she is unable to determine the inadequacy of the £23,000,000 pretend CoI herself.
DeleteBut rest assured that she and states members have been told multiple times by far better people than myself:
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jersey-child-abuse-committee-of-inquiry.html
"Jersey Child Abuse Committee of Inquiry A Fake, Partial, Incompetent?"
And here we are a decade after the Health Minister blew the whistle with the bills for the cover up and incompetence running into literally hundreds of millions and child protection which is still not fit for purpose.
A bit of a tangent but always a good thing.
ReplyDeleteI do find it quite extraordinary that the current treasury Minister has NOT declared a conflict of interest why? because when the Ministers spouse was in charge of Jersey Post (I have it on very good authority) that year on year the 'bonus' paid to this gentleman on what was then 'the low value goods industry' (now defunct)was massive!!!!
This was nothing to do with the items posted but simply the amount of postage allotted by Jersey Post.
Strange now that the Minister is looking to wield the 'axe' on us plebs when it comes to online purchases with regard to the minimum amount allocated.
As the old saying goes 'Rules for some and rules for scum'
I am a bit disappointed at the way some people portray the Police on here and the Care Inquiry. Today we have a paedophile who tried to groom children in the Royal Court up for sentencing so to even suggest Jersey does not take these crimes seriously is either deeply naïve or ill informed. Either move into 2018 or do something else with your time.
ReplyDelete"a paedophile who tried to groom children in the Royal Court"
DeleteThat does not surprise me at all and I am heartened if they really have started prosecuting Jersey's well connected criminals and abusers!
Seriously though we have "moved into 2018" and Jersey's Children's Services are STILL assessed as NOT FIT FOR PUROPSE.
Given those facts, what sort of person would be imploring us to
'do something else with our time'?
The follies and undisguised fears of some spin doctors are wondrous to behold. The current position of your ‘[P]olice’ and of your ‘[C]are [I]nquiry’ are not advantageous to the Jersey establishment and its co-conspirators in London. On the contrary, by any knowledgeable and impartial assessment of events, both organisations are prima facie components in a broad and deep criminal enterprise.
DeleteAnd that is a terminal problem for the Jersey gangsters. It is precisely the type of serious organised crime that one really, really does not embark upon, if what one wants to achieve is a ‘traditional’ let’s-kick-the-can-down-the-road-for-a-few-years-till-it’s-all-faded-away type cover-up of a few temporally limited scandals problematic only to a few disposable figures.
What might have been a cover-up organised by a few local perverts, corrupt and incompetent civil servants, and some gangster lawyers (appalling, but in the bounds of the realistic) instead became a total and ruthless crushing of those who tried to protect children and expose the truth; a crushing in Jersey by the entire unlawfully steered apparatus of the state. And were that not bad enough, cover-up has been heaped upon that cover-up.
One can sense the palpable terror felt by those involved in this criminality when they write here and in other places, begging history to be blind to events. Those who commissioned, and then attempted to conceal the Watergate burglary no doubt felt the same.
There was never any chance of the scandalous conduct of the Jersey establishment ‘fading away’ and disappearing into the annals of time. On the contrary, the scale and type of state-perverting organised criminal conduct embarked upon guaranteed the offences, and the unavoidable consequences thereof, could only ever grow, rather than fade.
During the last 12 years a ledger of serious organised crime has coalesced and accumulated around the toxic catalyst of child abuse, and the deliberate high level concealment of that child abuse. The growing list of crimes, which remain unaddressed, include numerous counts of child abuse, conspiracy to pervert justice, fraud, racketeering, perjury, rape, misconduct in public office, corruption, embezzlement, coercion and intimidation.
Only idiots could have ever imagined offences of this scale and gravity could remain unprosecuted. Perhaps there lies your problem.
When I read this repetitive nonsense I sign with relief that we have proper vigilantes online taking paedophiles out.
DeleteThose who do it, do it, but you Sir only talk about doin it, day after day after day.
As I said, 'The follies and undisguised fears of some spin doctors are wondrous to behold.'
DeleteThis is a most serviceable example of the genre, to wit: 'When I read this repetitive nonsense I sign [sic] with relief that we have proper vigilantes online taking paedophiles out...etc.'
Marvel at the fear, the incompetence, the remarkable degree of failure to understand the broad public audience, witness to the Jersey corruption, has greater intelligence than the author of the trolling.
Consider, the author is stupid enough to expose themselves to be an enemy of effective long-term child protection by opposing and attacking the clearly established need to fix the structural failings of public authority in Jersey. Long-term and reliable child protection in Jersey cannot be achieved and guaranteed without the re-establishment of the real rule of law, and of accountability, and the deterrent effect being finally put in place via the prosecution of highly placed public officials who engage in cover ups.
And who but morons and the corruptly conflicted would attempt to peddle to us an artificial 'either/or' paradigm, as though it were us who were the fools? I'm sure most readers of this site support the commendable work of on-line vigilantes who are bringing child-abusers to justice. Just as most readers of this site support the work which is bringing the necessary and overdue governance clean-up to Jersey, to ensure real and effective child protection into the long-term future.
People support both approaches. And only the propagandists of thugs could attempt to suggest that you could 'only support one approach or the other, but not both.'
Insofar as what I do for child protection, the author of the trolling does not know me, and cannot know that I in fact do practical child protection work, in addition to the very very necessary task of talking about it day after day, a important aspect of working for real child protection.
As I said, marvel at the fear, the incompetence displayed by such comments. Any person who writes here in attempts to falsely sew division between child protection campaigners, when there is no such division, reveals themselves to be an enemy of real child protection.
Beat me to it @17:47 -both in time and quality :-)
DeleteAre we supposed to take that as a genuine comment @16:05 ?
I doubt 15:23 has ever claimed to be a vigilante ("proper" or otherwise)
Responsible online vigilantes are protecting children at a micro level. The [legal?] opinions offered @15:23 are there with a view to protecting children (& others) at a macro level.
The failure of the proper rule of law in Jersey was [and is?] the underlying cause of the extent and decades timescale of the abuse of children.
Child abuse is merely one of the symptoms of this corruption and failure.
Instead of containment and eradication the shysters running the show have doubled down again and again to the extent that they have contaminated London and even the office of the Crown who have rewarded with promotion and knighthoods, people who should be in prison.
This will take a while to play out, but play out it will.
This train crash has already cost the island well over £200 million
It will cost much more yet and it is painful to watch in such slow motion.
15:23's opinion bears repeating again and again and appears to be shared by our very own Philip Sinel.
Obviously some people would want to silence this opinion even if they had to dress it around praising vigilantes.
I regularly read here but rarely comment. I'm a cynical lawyer, so not inclined to do work for which I am not receiving my full professional rate! However, some of my activist-minded learned colleagues and friends often speak of these cases.
DeleteI'm moved to offer my thoughts concerning this quotation of paragraph 3 of section 15:23 above: -
'What might have been a cover-up organised by a few local perverts, corrupt and incompetent civil servants, and some gangster lawyers (appalling, but in the bounds of the realistic) instead became a total and ruthless crushing of those who tried to protect children and expose the truth; a crushing in Jersey by the entire unlawfully steered apparatus of the state. And were that not bad enough, cover-up has been heaped upon that cover-up.'
That seems to me to be a nub in gathering and arguing a clear explanation of the case. Let us be frank, I'm a lawyer, and understand full well the needs of clients, including public authorities, and why they may wish for, 'discretion', let us use that term, when some unfortunate 'mistakes' may have allegedly occurred. But the response of the Jersey authorities to their 'difficulties' went so far beyond any advisable precedent or wisdom as to be truly puzzling.
There is something remarkable in the sheer irrationality of the over-reaction of the Jersey authorities to the exposure of their child-protection deficiencies in 2007 and onwards.
Let me put it this way, no competent lawyer, myself included, would have advised your senior figures in Jersey to proceed as they did, with such indiscreet and excessive over-reaction. Such responses could only ever lead into deeper and deeper water. So, here is my professional assessment: the lawyers employed by the senior figures in Jersey did, in fact, advise against the obviously self-destructive excessiveness of their clients, but were overruled. Their clients were instead determined to act as though no constraint applied to them, and all problems could be overcome with force majeure.
It is that, the sheer irrationality of it given the stakes involved, that I do find intellectually intriguing. No rational leaders, certainly no competent legal advisers, would ever have taken the path your Jersey authorities did.
What can the explanation be?
It is so gratifying when boneheaded trolling (propagandists, as another commenter calls them), brings forth such erudite rebuttals.
DeleteMr. Cynical Lawyer [CL] asks "What can the explanation be?"
In his world CL finds the incompetence and stupidity truly jaw dropping and beyond belief.
"...the sheer irrationality of the over-reaction of the Jersey authorities to the exposure of their child-protection deficiencies in 2007 and onwards."
The layman's answer I offer is simple. For their vast wealth and local power these men are parochial and insular. They are simply doing what they have always done. They though tit appropriate to crush dissent because in their domain they are the law.
What is the point in having such power if you do not wield it?
Wield it when circumstances and your own actions have backed you into a corner?
Pre internet the island was always easily shepherded into "moving on".
Constantly 'moving on' into ….errrr…..exactly the same place.
A compromised media containing career abusers was a great help in this respect.
I and most islanders do not find this perplexing at all. A significant middle and upper echelon minority of islanders actually approve of the situation and actions because it works for them. Sickening but true!
"What can the explanation be?" Well, IMO, that is it at it's most innocent.
Less 'innocent' explanations bight be that a number of these leading citizens are abusers themselves and that their "inexplicable" reaction is simple self defence. This is not out of the realms of possibility as these disturbing sexual appetites can equally affect anyone from the lowest tramp to the richest billionaire to the highest royalty.
So here we are.
Thus far there have been ZERO consequences for the majority of perpetrators of the abuse and the multiple cover ups. Even Lier Lewis who facilitated the hijack of the police force has thus far suffered only words of criticism.
The train crash is undoubtedly happening. The bills and consequences are thus far only hitting the taxpayer not the perpetrators.
I suspect that there was a rhetorical element to CL's question but I have answered it best I can from within the parochial mindset.
What I would like to know from CL and his more activist colleagues is WHY authorities in the UK have apparently stoked the boiler ….rather than installing brakes?
I see two explanations. One that is relatively innocent, and one which is truly devastating.
Think I'm going to throw up.
ReplyDelete18 Months for what this paedophile attempted to do is a disgrace.
ReplyDeleteWhen are the Jersey Courts going to hand out a proper sentence designed to deter others?
Stephen Facchino was charged 10 years, joke of a sentence
ReplyDelete"FACCHINO admitted to having an interest in 13 year old boys, the judge called him a predatory peadophile who is of a high risk of re offending again, and is yet to take the offer of help to ‘treat’ his urges.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it’s a step up from the usual sentencing, it is not nearly enough time in prison. FACCHINO showed not one ounce of remorse in the dock and did not come with a letter of remorse when the judge asked.
I’ll repeat a high risk re offender who has now openly admitted he has an interest in underage boys will be back on the streets again in less then a year!" [with good behaviour]
This is after escaping a custodial sentence a decade ago for sodomising a 12 year old boy, indecent images, various charges of a sexual nature regarding 3 underage boys.
Of this, one of the blog's resident Paedo-Trolls above says:
"I am a bit disappointed at the way some people portray the Police on here and the Care Inquiry. Today we have a paedophile who tried to groom children in the Royal Court up for sentencing so to even suggest Jersey does not take these crimes seriously is either deeply naïve or ill informed. Either move into 2018 or do something else with your time."
Seriously?
A dangerous and unrepentant career peadophile back on the streets within the year without treatment or adequate monitoring.
Had he been an establishment abuser or rapist he would likely not even have been prosecuted.
The establishment troll's further comment and particularly the responses on the thread above (starting 5 October 2018 at 05:53) are well worth reading.
I am disappointed to learn that sexual abuse occurred at Les Chênes
ReplyDeletehttps://unknownjerseyci.blogspot.com/2018/10/les-chenes-childrens-prison-that-was.html
Disappointed but not surprised.
Excessively brutal regimes without oversight provide the perfect conditions to dominate victims and operate without reporting.
Ditto.
DeleteBut being forced to undress and humiliated is sexual abuse.
Shameful episode and should never be forgotten.
DeleteAnd the saddest thing is they knew the place was a hell hole but did sweet FA about it for years. That was when Lundy and McKeon were in charge and they swanned off without any retribution in the end Kuntz.
Not just Lundy and McKeon
Deletehttp://simonbellwood.blogspot.com/2008_04_12_archive.html
"....My story will make reference to the following people:
Joe Kennedy - Manager of Secure and Residential Services (currently suspended following evidence given at the employment tribunal)
Phil Dennett - Coordinator of the Children's Executive
Linda Dodds - Child Protection Team Manager
Tony Le Sueur - Head of the Children's Service
Marnie Baudains - Directorate Manager of Social Services
Micheala Clifford - Head of Health and Social Services Human Resources
Madeleine Davies - Human Resources Business Partner for Education Sport and Culture
Mario Lundy - Former Assistant Director of Education, Sport and Culture (Now Director)
Mike Pollard - Chief Executive for Health and Social Services
Tom McKeon - Former Director of Education, Sport and Culture
Steven Austin-Vautier - Chief Executive of Home Affairs
Mick Pinel - Head of Human Resources for Chief Ministers Department
Bill Ogley - Chief Executive of Chief Ministers Department
Frank Walker - Chief Minister
……"
Not one of those has yet suffered the consequences of their actions.
Various were promoted and some were even put in charge of collecting/filtering the information presented to the fake CoI.
You could not make this up !
After the dust had settled Joe Kennedy was quietly reinstated.
DeleteAnonymous at 7.11 - you are so right. No one could ever make 'The Jersey Way' up and still it thrives. Some very recognisable names in that list who should show shame that Les Chenes was ever allowed to happen.
DeleteLundy and McKeon - the pinball Wizards.
DeleteIts good to refresh people as to what places like Les Chenne were all about because the msm never do.
ReplyDeleteAre the lawyers acting for the States of Jersey, who made contact at the last minute with lawyer Alan Collins to say that they would like to discuss the issue of the hash physical resime at Le Chenes, the same lawyers who acted for the States of Jersey at the CoI ?
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't Philip Sinel working for the victims?
DeletePhilip Sinel is not a criminal Lawyer. He has however given as much pro bono advice as he can to a good number of Survivors in the past and indeed continues to do so. The real big question here is "why Alan Collins or any UK Lawyer?" Why have no local legal firms ever taken the States to court for the Survivors?
Delete@ 09:17
DeleteWhat is the purpose of this question? Looks kinda mean to me.
I'm sure Philip is well able to stand up for himself but even from a far distant island it strikes me that:
- he is a financial and not a criminal lawyer,
- he lives in Jersey (you can finish that one yourself),
- he made a very courageous and underrated submission to the Inquiry,
- who knows what work he has been doing behind the scenes?
It's not really my place to be making these comments but I found the question provocative. If it has been put in good faith then perhaps this could be clarified.
It is called debate.
DeleteIt was my understanding Philip Sinel was originally involved at the beginning so why is he no longer?
Hopefully my reply above has explained the position. Philip Sinel remains the ONLY Lawyer on this island to publicly speak out/campaign against the treatment of Survivors. Despite not being a criminal lawyer has supported their cause and given pro bono advice.
Delete"It is called debate" -Quite so.
DeleteHowever an essential component of genuine "debate" is to listen to other people's contribution.
Your question is largely answered already. Just in case you missed Póló's contribution above, I repeat:
"- he is a financial and not a criminal lawyer,
[or indeed a specialist child abuse lawyer like Alan Collins]
- he lives in Jersey (you can finish that one yourself),
- he made a very courageous and underrated submission to the Inquiry,
- who knows what work he has been doing behind the scenes?"
Do you require the above repeating more clearly or simply?
I am sure that Póló will elaborate further if he is asked nicely.
I will be jogging your memory later regarding some of Philip Sinel's many contributions to date :-)
John Le Fondre has just announced tax increases are imminent.
ReplyDeleteFrom the post above @ 7.11
"....My story will make reference to the following people:
If proper prosecutions had taken place as required at the time then some of the people on the list may not be receiving pensions or payment for sitting on States quango's.
A little further down the line family X would have been looked after saving the island tax payers £160 million then there is the Abuse enquiry cost and the La Chene scandal payout on the horizon that before silly schemes like a £42 million pound airport hall.
Then you wonder why the states want more taxes off us ?
* It was my understanding Philip Sinel was originally involved at the beginning so why is he no longer?
ReplyDeleteDoes it matter who has/is/is going to...get/be involved.
Lawyers are busy people and will be moving from case to case like clockwork.
Interesting question in tomorrow's States though -
Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier will ask the following question of the Chief Minister –
“Given the commitment of the Council of Ministers to put children at the centre of everything we do in the States, why did Ministers or officers not agree earlier to a meeting with the lawyer representing children who had been sent to Les Chênes children’s home?”
My guess answer is something along the lines of 'this is ongoing, confidential, no further comment' of similar.
That is a very simple question with a very simple answer.
DeleteI have every confidence that the new chief minister will answer completely and honestly. It will be something along the lines of:
"The phrase -to put children at the centre of everything we do in the States- was brought to us by our PR advisers.
This phrase does not actually have any real or practical meaning.
The department's actions are therefore entirely in accordance with ongoing States policy.
I am disappointed that States Members find the need to ask questions about what should be blindingly obvious to any observer."
As honest and complete answer to a supplementary, the CM could consider the following:
Delete"There are commitments that do have meaning, and if properly codified and applied would result in a world class child protection system:
-Mandatory Reporting of Abuse
-Whistleblower Protection
-The Proper Rule of Law
-Determined prosecution of Abusers of whatever standing
-Dismissal and where possible prosecution of persons involved in enabling or covering up of these crimes.
For these, Sir, you can whistle !"
'Negotiations are ongoing'
DeleteNext question.
Dithering Russel Labey wants to keep the Bailiff in his role after listening to the answers to that question.
ReplyDeleteFrom 8 Oct
ReplyDeleteDeputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier will ask the following question of the Chief Minister –
“Given the commitment of the Council of Ministers to put children at the centre of everything we do in the States, why did Ministers or officers not agree earlier to a meeting with the lawyer representing children who had been sent to Les Chênes children’s home?”
Has that question been answered and was the answer an evasive confirmation that ....to put children at the centre of everything we do in the States.... is indeed just more meaningless waffle?
The local Planning corruption from 8 years ago, which is being investigated by a UK Police Force. Would seem to be the same local Planning corruption that Syvret and Labey exposed 8 years ago
ReplyDeleteWhen did the current Bailiff announce his retirement?
DeleteAccording to a JEP ARTICLE he announced his resignation the week of 17th September 2018.
DeleteIt isn't the Labey, Syvret case. It is all down to the tireless work of Deputy Higgins.
DeleteHiggins is a legend. The only politician worth voting for. And he brings in hundreds of thousands for the island with his Air Display. What a guy!
DeleteWell done Deputy Higgins!
DeleteIf 16:59 is correct and this is an additional Planning corruption scandal separate from the "industrial scale" Planning corruption revealed by Syvret and Labey; it simply beggars belief.
How much corruption and sleaze can you fit in 5 miles by 9 ?
As said before; child abuse is just one of the consequences of corruption and the failure in the proper rule of law.
Bills running into hundreds of millions are another consequence.
Enjoy!
Not a fan of the air display but I've got mad respect for Higgins as a politician. Best politician by a country mile.
DeleteThanks for posting, anon at 16:59. Much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteWithout prejudicing any investigation, do you know if the investigation relates to:
(a) Planning officers potentially overreaching their enforcement powers? or;
(b) A brown envelope scandal, i.e. regular corruption
It's public knowledge that the fine Deputy Higgins has been pursuing (a) over the years. I just wondered if this case related to that work, or some new corruption story that hasn't broken yet?
No problem if you can't give any more clues. But if you can, fire away.
I hope that 16:59 is able to provide further details but this mornings post by 'gladiator' appears to give information on both corruption issues:
Deletehttp://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg61937#msg61937
The whole thing is worth a read but here are a couple of snippets:
65. I [Chief Officer of the States of Jerseys Police Graham Power] had some email and telephone exchanges with the Attorney General about the above allegations. My interpretation of these exchanges is that the Attorney General became disproportionately fixated upon the fact that the information regarding the alleged corruption originated from Deputy Labey, who was in a relationship with Senator Syvret, who was a persistent and determined critic of the Attorney General. At some point in these exchanges Deputy Labey emailed me expressing lack of confidence in the independence and integrity of the criminal justice system, and expressed criticism of the then Bailiff, who is the brother of the then Attorney General. A print-out of the email from Deputy Labey had been obtained by the Attorney General, and there were some exchanges about it in which I was involved. The Attorney General reacted angrily towards Deputy Labey and demanded she apologise to the Bailiff or something of that nature. At some point I asked him if he had obtained the copy lawfully, when I should have said “legitimately.” He said he had obtained it as part of the bundle of papers submitted by David Minty, who was leading on the discussions as to whether there should be a criminal investigation. I have since thought about this and on reflection I do not think that his use of the email was entirely legitimate. He obtained the email in his capacity as the Head of the Prosecution Service, and then appears to have used it in his other capacity as the legal representative of the government. This is of course a symptom of the multi-role of the Jersey Law Officers Department.
66. In any event the outcome was that we could not agree, and the exchange finished with what I took to be an angry email from the Attorney General expressing apparent frustration at my perceived failure to sufficiently oppose the criticism of his brother the Bailiff, and finishing with a phrase something like “so be it,” which I read as having a threatening tone. So far as I can recall, that was the last email I received from the Attorney General. Not long afterwards I was suspended. Initially it was claimed that my suspension was as a result of information relating to the Historic Abuse Enquiry which was received on ……. 10th November 2008……….. It is now known that this is untrue because the suspension notices were in fact prepared on the morning of ……… Saturday 8th November 2008,……. which implies that the actual decision to suspend must have been taken in the week-ending 7thNovember 2008. So far as I can recall this brings the decision close to my exchanges with the Attorney General regarding the need to investigate allegations of corruption at the heart of government. This has led me to suspect that the exchanges which I have described in the above paragraphs may have been influential in the matter of my suspension. Only a full and independent enquiry into the suspension with full legal investigative powers, which Ministers have so far resisted, can confirm or refute whether these suspicions have any foundation. [the fake CoI declined to investigate this further and the full statements from which this is a tiny part has now been withdrawn form public & press access until maybe mid 2020 -you could not make this up!]
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE
DeleteThe first section of gladiator's comment appears to cover corruption and malpractice at the very top and the 2nd part covers corruption and bullying down the echelons.
Another conclusion that one might draw from that PJ submission and links is that there appears to be something of a revolving door for disgraced and compromised staff to move between departments. Those who support the broken system are protected and those who challenge it are unlawfully harassed or destroyed.
P.S. Don't miss the start of that PJ thread from 2013:
Delete"Initially the report was going to be private - but certain states members will be bring it public in 2014. so it It wont be us making the announcement in January, it will be the JEP and the local media outlets.
The Report, which we are going to be naming the " The Jersey Way Report " isn't about some private millionaire getting planning permission when they shouldn't have - oh no , it is far more serious than that.
The Chief Minister, or the Judiciary,will not be able to bury this one as 20 members of the public , who are personally effected, will be calling for prosecutions as the evidence is irrefutable and identifies individuals without any reasonable doubt , and with also an attempt to cover up their tracks of their crimes.
The investigation has taken over 1 year to get where it is today , its needed the investigative help of up to 25 members of the public (to whom they know who they are to which we thank) , a couple of deputies , alot of legal advice , and associate experts in their fields.
The report will uncover :
Corrupt Judiciary members , Corrupt Lawyers, Corrupt Police officers, Corrupt Deputies, Corrupt Constables, Corrupt States Departments - and to whom all cannot re-butt the scathing and damning indictment of breaching in excess of 5 criminal laws in their specific position within our judicial code.
Merry Xmas everyone, looking forward to 2014"
The 2013 OP of PJ rather hopefully stated "it wont be us making the announcement in January, it will be the JEP and the local media outlets."
DeleteI don't recall seeing this and in the intervening years I only remember attacks on Deputy Higgins by the dreadful JEPedo.
The OP also states "The Chief Minister, or the Judiciary, will not be able to bury this one as 20 members of the public , who are personally effected, , will be calling for prosecutions"
I am not sure that this is the same case at all. I think that it is actually a THIRD PLANNING CORRUPTIONCASE
ReplyDeleteWith reference to planning corruption I remembered about the Quarry site in St Helier being sold of to the benefit of the Parish and residents of St Helier. All this changed drastically though. The senior planning Officer responsible John Nicholson surely needs investigating. I found the facts with links on PJ.
First
http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1651.msg23960.html#msg23960
Then a 23.5% increase in flat development passed by exactly the same planning officer John Nicholson ?
http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3779.msg57722#msg57722
No explanation but a loss of a 60 bedroom Nursing home, 60 pre school nursery and 16 sheltered flats.
With reference to planning corruption I remembered about the Quarry site in St Helier being sold of to the benefit of the Parish and residents of St Helier. All this changed drastically though. The senior planning Officer responsible John Nicholson surely needs investigating. I found the facts with links on PJ.
ReplyDeleteFirst
http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1651.msg23960.html#msg23960
Then a 23.5% increase in flat development passed by exactly the same planning officer John Nicholson ?
http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3779.msg57722#msg57722
No explanation but a loss of a 60 bedroom Nursing home, 60 pre school nursery and 16 sheltered flats.
Unknown, why do you not allow Anonymous comments on your blog?
DeleteHorrifying and shows the system up for all its failures.
ReplyDeleteIt is very sad and telling that the ignorance of the wider impact that child abuse causes is not recognised. Abused children in many instances move on to become abusers themselves, and this became clear at the IJCI. Yes - the headline in the JEP after the Inquiry report was released which read 'Jersey's Shame', should rear its' head yet again. The ripples that spread out from all this reach many, many innocent people.
ReplyDelete"Abused children in many instances move on to become abusers themselves"
DeleteYes, but it is still rare, and some paedophiles will make unprovable claims in Court if they think there is a slim chance of it resulting in a lighter sentence.
I do not buy this serial offenders claims and I doubt his many victims do either.
What about a new post? Whatever happened to opposition in the States would prove a great talking point. Sittings rarely getting in to the afternoon is a disgrace. Why not just make every member a Minister or assistant and not bother at all?
ReplyDeleteAgree with Anon at 16:34. The last few States sitting completed in less than a full day is a disgrace. With so many topical topics to discuss and sort out as well. What are our new members playing at ?
ReplyDeleteIt's the dullest Government in decades.
DeleteHas John Le Fondré made an actual decision of any description since being made CM yet?
DeleteEvery time I see him in the Media 'it's being looked into'; 'no decision has been made yet'; or 'I await a Report and will study it's findings before making any decision'.
Jersey politics and with it democracy if not dead is lying in the gutter gasping it's last breath.
DeleteCan anyone save it? You have to wonder. To think some of us, including me I am embarrassed to admit, used to bemoan that the likes of a Syvret or Pitmans were too outspoken.
We need that outspokeness now more than ever. I can't help feel the electorate are today being treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit.
When we get any information at all.
You have to wonder if today's Ministers even know what they are doing. I mean, Susie Pinel in control of our finances! WTF!
DeleteWith only 11 oral questions next Tuesday. They could be out the door by midday!?
ReplyDeleteFew of Jersey's current politicians have developed much credibility. The three who presented any real challenge to Jersey's corruption and company-town lawlessness have been expelled from Jersey's parliament or prevented from standing.
DeleteHiggins seems to be the only one left with the guts for the fight.
Sam Mezec (and indeed all of Reform Jersey) have yet to impress.
My feeling is that thus far Sam has been out manoeuvred at every turn. IMO he has been too willing to trade cooperation for the political currency of raising his own profile.
He lent credibility to that farce of a referendum that resulted from Bailhache's hijacked electoral reform commission.
He touched Andrew Lewis with a bargepole (which should have instead been stuck where the sun don't shine!)
He has now accepted (traded even) the portfolio of "Children's Minister" it seems in return for support for John-wet-lettuce-Le-Fondre.
Whatever his qualifications for this job (or lack of them) Sam has yet to prove himself the fearless protector of children and champion of robust structures that this role requires given Jersey's dreadful ongoing history in this area.
We have had a few meaningless soundbites but when push comes to shove, the actions of an apologist.
Perhaps Sam is that gullible or he has too willingly accepted the gilded shackles of "collective responsibility" and cannot now rock the boat even if he developed the weight to do so.
Politics is not easy. More fail than succeed and it is an ongoing dilemma as to which compromises to make in pursuit of your personal and political goals.
But what are the long term goals that Sam has - or is he just becoming another career politician?
Sam is a socialist (perhaps even a Marxist?). One might imagine that Sam's life goal is to build a socialist utopia in Jersey.
In reality this is not going to happen and if it did (in a parallel universe) the irony of a *Socialist Tax Haven* might cause a tear in the very fabric of space-time.
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The English Channel's own Venezuela!
DeleteStruth, we can hardly wait. Perhaps that will be "real socialism" this time.
Perhaps Sam has more realistic goals such as maybe the more even distribution of Jersey's tax haven earnings. That would be fair enough up to a point but I would urge Sam to concentrate on equality of opportunity not equality of outcome, for that way lies dependence, depression, failed lives and failed society.
This socialist tax haven also raises a moral dissonance. There would be a nationalist and racist aspect to local folk growing fat (obese even) from a socialist-free-ride on the backs of their brothers abroad from whom the tax haven has skimmed the cream.
This is the ugly reality. Jersey's population density cannot be supported without outside money without a mass exodus.
In a dark future of a polarised world the alternative mass exodus is mass violence and death.
How could this happen?
Well it has happened many times before and we see the seeds being planted locally this very year:
"The spook of human rights - or, why the left needs to pick up a gun"
http://jallonsmangilesriches.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-spook-of-human-rights-or-why-left.html
I quote: "It's time for the left to rearm, and Jersey gives us a unique position in the British Isles to be able to do that. Armed community self-defense is increasingly becoming a mainstay of the left in the United States...."
There we have it from a self appointed spokesman of the far left which is actually being urged to arm itself with firearms!
Clever huh?
If there is an equally crazed far right -what do you think they are going to do?
Given the tragic history of the 20th centaury the enthusiasm to leap onto this slippery slope to violence is quite sickening.
These could be dismissed as the ramblings of an unhinged idealist or extremist but however the far left and the far right are already perched on the sculls of 100 million+ just in the 20th c. with communist Russia and China etc dwarfing even the Nazis in the death tally.
Jersey is far far from perfect but all liberals and democrats should treat this call to arms with the disgust and derision it deserves.
Under other circumstances we could warmly welcome another blogger to the fold.
There must surely be other non lethal ways forward involving democratic progress and civil disobedience.
'Higgins seems to be the only one left with the guts for the fight.'
DeleteWho is Sam supposed to be fighting when the Ministers of yesteryear have all gone?
If on the other hand you are only excited by people who disrupt the States no matter who is in there, then you may as well stand yourself.
I actually think this new Government is more stable than previous when the likes of Ozouf was rocking the boat.
Hi, anon at 10:42.
DeleteI wrote that piece about left re-armament.
Picking up guns doesn't mean supporting violence. I abhor violence - I belong to a faith which preaches pacifism and the use of violence to solve anything usually disgusts me.
That said, we live in a place - and we're hardly unique on this - where the right essentially has a monopoly on firearms possession.
I know you probably won't be the one at risk in the event of the sort of societal breakdown that climate change and the collapse of capitalism will bring, but as a pansexual socialist, it's far more likely that I might be.
I want to be able to defend myself in that scenario and I'm not alone on that.
It's a lot better to own one and die with it locked in your safe than not own one and die swinging from a lamppost.
It is the height of privilege to deride other people for feeling at risk and wanting to defend themselves.
DeleteSorry to break this to you Einstein @13:29 but "stability" is only actually desirable when you are in a good, stable, sustainable place.
DeleteThe states is quietly trying to withdraw itself from decades of being balls deep in child abuse -like it never happened.
From earlier in the thread:
Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier will ask the following question of the Chief Minister –
“Given the commitment of the Council of Ministers to put children at the centre of everything we do in the States, why did Ministers or officers not agree earlier to a meeting with the lawyer representing children who had been sent to Les Chênes children’s home?”
This will be a long, painful and expensive road.
Your suggestion that Ozouf is a boat rocker and not a part of the establishment is laughable!
Ozouf was never "rocking the boat" as claimed by 13:29
DeleteThere is often jostling for position within the establishment.
Ozouf ran Jersey's finances from the early noughties and we have now disappeared down his black hole.
Syvret tried to avert this disaster back in 2004:
http://freespeechoffshore.nl/stuartsyvretblog/jerseys-public-finances-2004-2014-and-philip-ozouf/
I wonder if he will ever tire of mentioning that you have the government you deserve?
Hi, anon at 17:50 & 17:52, I am seriously worried about you.
Delete"pansexual socialist" and "the height of privilege" Do those terms have a meaning outside of the textbooks of pretend university courses which defraud gullible students (or more often their parents)?
I don't think you are being entirely honest with yourself in your claims to "abhor violence".
Everything about that post and a good proportion of your throughput indicates that you have a fascination with violence and armed struggle. Your profile picture is a dude wearing a paramilitary balaclava. Your blog background is a horde of variously confused or menacing looking wenches brandishing wooden staves -a fascinating picture BTW.
Violence (or the threat of violence) can be highly sexualised. I particularly like your lead picture on http://jallonsmangilesriches.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-spook-of-human-rights-or-why-left.html of the "Black Panther Party". Those three dudes in the background holding their weapons erect just crack me up :-)
Is that what "pansexual" means?
Seriously though, there are unfortunately places in the world where violence may be the only option and may even be justified. Wherever this happens the process is invariably a tragedy beyond imagination.
You are clearly promoting what you see as the 'right sort of violence'
The socialist utopia is always only one more murder away?
For all the faults of our time we in the west largely live in historically unparalleled prosperity, freedom and security
this prosperity, freedom and security
is largely a product of the free market capitalism which you wish to destroy and replace with a system which has never resulted in anything other than totalitarianism, poverty and death.
Do you have some sort of inability to learn?
Free trade and the slow progress of democracy across the world is BTW also lifting people out of abject poverty an unparalleled rate.
You say "It is the height of privilege to deride other people for feeling at risk and wanting to defend themselves"
Firstly you know nothing about my (wtf) "privilege" and that you feel sufficiently threatened now or in your hypothetical future to arm yourself (and your militia!!!) with lethal force suggests a paranoia which means you should not be allowed anywhere near firearms.
Is there any reassurance you can offer us that you are not a danger to yourself and others?
Is this the same guy who was singing the fascist Tommy Robinson's praises on another post?
Delete@20:52 "Is this the same guy who was singing the fascist Tommy Robinson's praises on another post?"
DeleteTommy Robinson is no angel and certainly attracts some unsavoury and disenfranchised types to his events. However anyone who supports the unlawful imprisonment of those they see as their political opponent are "fascists" themselves. There is a fascism of the extreme left as well of the right, in addition to various brands of religious fascism.
The concerns I raised over Robinson's imprisonment (an imprisonment WITH reporting restrictions!!!) have been proved to be quite correct by the court of appeal; who described the judgement as “fundamentally flawed”.
A “fundamentally flawed” imprisonment WITH reporting restrictions -WTF!
Robinson may yet be imprisoned again. This is just fine as long it is done lawfully with due process, legal representation, the opportunity to enter a plea etc.
The thread to which you refer @20:52 starts at:
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2018/05/interview-with-reform-jerseys-senator.html?showComment=1531029935535#c8115284712430552352
I don't think I "sang the fascist Tommy Robinson's praises". I did my best to present a balanced view rather than just join the dogpile. I have had a quick review of that thread and I am reasonably comfortable will all my statements except where I quoted another commenter as saying that TR was a
"anti-child abuse hero", when in fact the words they had used were an "anti-child abuse martyr".
If I made any other errors I am happy to be corrected.
Robinson claims that one of his close relatives as a child was groomed beaten and gang raped which is why he was one of the first to raise this issue in the media. This was years ago and he claims to have been subject to threats and silencing. This is consistent with the accounts of many others of many others -from nobodies like Yaxley-Lennon to researchers working for the home office!
Ironically organisations such as NATIFA display fascist behaviours if they use violence or it's threat in order to prevent other people from speaking. This is a big deal because open discourse is the mechanism by which free society attempts to find the best way forward -or indeed to highlight well hidden issues like the industrialised battery and rape of children -whether this be in Jersey or across Britain's towns and cities.
Agree with lots of the above. Regarding Venezula it may have eventually become that 'socialist utopia' had Chavez not been killed, at least if he had finally got the courage to act against the Big Four oligarchs in my former home who do more to cause economic ruin than any amount of political corruption/incompetence ever could. He also failed in acting upon what he undoubtedly knew I.e. he could never do it all on his own. And thus we have his hapless successor slipping in to becoming what the right falsely labeled Chavez. On the bright side in Britain we will soon have a leader, flawed as he is in some ways, fit and willing to try and create a fairer better country. Not much chance of that here in Greed Central.
DeleteThank you for your kind words @16:38 :-)
DeleteI doubt that Jeremy Corbyn will ever win a general election even against May. If he does there will be economic collapse in Jersey because tax havens are a barrier to a "fairer world". I do hope you have a plan.
@16:36 -I don't think that comparisons to wartime Britain are particularly relevant.
I will not join you in calling Churchill a fascist but you are welcome to do so if you wish. In fact I don't see how you can avoid calling Churchill a fascist given his racist views. The briefest of googles reveals some of his less celebrated quotes:
"I hate Indians, They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He referred to Palestinians as "barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung."
There are more -many more.
Not being aware of the above you will probably also not know that he was rather keen on the empire -so Churchill was a bona fide white supremacist.
(these views were quite widespread in his time btw)
Sorry to break this to you honeybun, but can you explain to me exactly how you think that Tommy Robinson is a "fascist" and Winston Churchill is not.
I don't think Churchill would be too keen on mass immigration (with or without integration) but can you imagine what he would say about the mass rape of British children and young women?
(~1 million victims according to Labour MP Sarah Champion)
These are problems that have been revealed and it is right that we talk about them.
"I don't think that comparisons to wartime Britain are particularly relevant."
DeleteOf course you don't. Because if you did you would have no argument.
Tommy Robison almost sabotaged a trial against a paedophile grooming gang, and you have the nerve to come on this blogsite to sing his praises.
I am with 16.38 on Corbyn. Should have realised that many people are too thick to get the truth of there being a difference on Zionism and just being Jewish and sorted out his own quota of anti-Semites first. But win the next election he will. The UK has never had a truly left wing goverent so it will be fascinating to give him a chance. As to the collapse of Jersey who gives a shit? If basing our economy on tax dodging is all we can do then we deserve all we get. I'm sure Le Fondre and Zippy Pinel have a Plan anyway! Perhaps we could legalise canabis and re-launch ourselves as a Legal High Holiday destination?
DeleteYou could be on to something. Somebody call Monty about making your idea in to a proposition.
DeleteMight make States more interesting.
DeleteHi, anon at 9:23.
DeleteIt's funny how some people can't take anything whatsoever in good faith.
It's even funnier how some people won't even bother to look into the things they're condemning.
If you looked into the context of the pictures you keep referring to (and I encourage you to do so), you'd find that they all relate to the Neozapatista insurrection in southern Mexico that has been going on since 1994.
My fascination isn't with violence and armed struggle, it's with the Neozapatistas and their struggle, because, like Jersey people, they are indigenous people screwed by political corruption, cultural assimilation and international capitalism, but, unlike Jersey people, they chose to do something about it.
They - the people who form the backbone of the Neozapatista movement, and their fellow third-world victims of international capital - are the reason that we have the historically unparalleled freedom, prosperity and security we have in the west; because we've exported the unparalleled suffering, misery and death that is required to sustain such high living standards in our countries, to other countries.
Those unparalleled living standards and the resource use required to sustain them is the main reason for the coming climate apocalypse. Read the most recent IPCC report; even in the best case scenario, we are facing an end-of-an-era catastrophe.
http://www.ipcc.ch/report/sr15/
In the kind of scenario that is becoming increasingly likely, having weapons to defend yourself and your community is just common sense.
I would have two questions.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Steven Hardwicks' blog deemed news worthy by BBC Jersey and the reporting of his dissatisfaction with the Jersey public commenting about him?
And
How come JT can advertise "save money on Yellow Pages adverts because GST is avoided by selling it to a Bermudan / Guernsey tax avoidance vehicle?"
States member's completed all their work just after midday. Well done you can go home now you deserve a rest. A lot achieved this morning (not)!
ReplyDeleteWhat???
ReplyDeleteOzouf never rocked the Boat????
How many people were either pushed or quit with him captaining the Ship?
Didn't one Group compile a List last year?
What about the Innovation Fund debacle amongst many other cock-ups during his tenure like the Radisson?
FFS.
"FFS" @10:28
DeleteI guess that you could define "rock the boat" as captain the boat onto the rocks, into dangerous waters, jostle for position or bully and demonstrate criminal incompetence. In that case you will think that Walker, the Bailhache boys and many others also "rock".
Alternatively "rock the boat" could mean challenge the status quo and demand justice and the proper rule of law to protect the vulnerable.
You are posting on a blog called "Voice For Children" in the aftermath of decades of abuse and cover up.
Please tell me that you do not need further help to work out which interpretation of "rock the boat" is relevant to this blogsite.
VFC - I haven't read in great detail a number of the comment-threads above; we have to focus our mere human abilities and energies upon fights which are practical - and useful.
ReplyDeleteI'm disappointed that your usually invaluable blog comments appear to have become trolled and distracted by a surfeit of right-wing and left-wing extremism. I support neither - not "communist-utopias" nor "fascist-superman-states".
But I do take time to record my absolute agreement with the following paragraph: -
“The fascist woman-beater Tommy Robinson almost stopped a paedophile grooming gang from facing justice, as the court proceedings have now made abundantly clear since reporting restrictions have been lifted. If you make excuses for him, you’re on his side and not on the side of people who actually want justice for victims.”
Let there be no doubt “Tommy Robinson” / Yaxley-Lennon is a nothing more than a crypto-Nazi street thug – merely a band-wagon-jumper - using the disaster of systemic child-abuse as a device to foment race-hatred against Muslims.
You want to understand where – ultimately – the politics of “Tommy Robinson” / Yaxley-Lennon lead the fate of vulnerable children?
Here you go; no hiding place: -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger
Stuart Syvret.
@ Stuart
DeleteFunnily enough I think that communist utopias are a great idea.
100+ years of historical experience has however proved beyond reasonable doubt that they do not work and invariably end in tragedy and the death of millions. -I am really not keen on that.
You posted that WW2 link before. Your warning was and still is a warning from history that should never be forgotten. However we can all post links to wartime and historical atrocities and by my understanding the 20th C death toll of the extreme left far exceeds that of the far right. Where are your warnings about where the politics of the far left inevitably leads?
I am perplexed by the left's inability to learn from the past and to forever be yearning for "real communism".
I am equally perplexed by the left's unholy alliance with extreme islam and it's apparent failure to put up even a token defence of liberal values because to do so would be "racist"
I gather that Yaxley-Lennon was a working class lad (form an immigrant family). He claims that his community has been damaged beyond recognition by government policies out of his control and that his own (non immediate)family has been affected by grooming followed by systematic beating and gang rape.
These claims are unfortunately all too credible and it should be fairly easy to either prove or disprove his claim of highlighting the grooming scandal years ago. I will look when I have time.
I think it is a mistake to ignore the grievances of working class folk, whether the present on the left or the right. The name calling and PC groupthink is partially what got trump elected in America.
Yaxley-Lennon may be telling the truth or he may be a band waggon jumper.
You cannot always believe what you read in the papers and the sensible response is to concede the point or at least discuss the issue. The name calling can be reserved for where his behaviour genuinely is reprehensible and the behaviour is evidenced rather than just claimed.
The word "fascist" is rather overused as an insult of convenience. Churchill was a fascist by these people's definition.
As the word is being used like confetti (I received it from potty-mouth, on the other thread) I pointed out that "anyone who supports the unlawful imprisonment of those they see as their political opponent are fascists themselves"
You confirm that "Tommy Robinson almost stopped a paedophile grooming gang from facing justice". I don't think that even the judge who unlawfully imprisoned him said that -I recall the potential cost of a retrial he objected to (not to mention the extended trauma to the victims!)
Yaxley-Lennon claims that there was no contempt of court because all that he reported was already in the public domain. I do not know the truth and it seems that you do not either.
The fact that Yaxley-Lennon has not yet been re-imprisoned indicated that the case is far from clear cut.
Who knows -given the level of cover up and the alleged one million victims over those years of PC cover up it might even be possible for Yaxley-Lennon to claim a public interest defence.
Difficult now that some investigation and prosecution is now taking place.
While I concede some of Yaxley-Lennon's points I do not support either the style or timing of his reporting -but that's working class lads for you!
'we have to focus'
DeleteWho is 'we'?
"Who is 'we'?" -LOL, Is that you Jon or does that question have a point?
DeleteGlad to know that this blog is still being avidly followed.
I agree with Stuart that "we" need focus but this is an old thread.
What has rightly or wrongly been called 'sexual jihad' is relevant to some UK communities but not to Jersey.
Jersey has issues with 'mass immigration' but the problems it has caused are largely socio-economic. Integration is not a particular problem because the guest communities do not particularly consider themselves different (better even) than the host community. They broadly share the same value system.
Religion, especially unreformed religion, has a particular capacity to provide a moral framework to remove non-believer's humanity and worth. They even have a derogatory word for it.
Jersey has a small Islamic community - they are largely modern middle class people who work at the hospital and the like.
Modern middle class people are generally an asset not a problem.
It is a bad idea to welcome people who do not have an apatite for modernity and liberal values. Parts of Europe and the UK are questioning these past policies. Some people define this as racist or even fascist.
You cannot talk sense to such people. Some ideas and ideologies are so strongly held that the person does not possess the idea. The ideology possesses the person. They have lost their ability to learn or deal with new information if it does not 100% support their ideology.
For all their fancy words and sometimes university degrees, these people generally are not that bright or self aware.
Shame really -what a waste.
"a crypto-Nazi street thug"
DeleteYou will struggle to find a more accurate and concise description of Tommy Robinson.
Yet we have somebody on an anti-child abuse blog finding excuses for him.
This has nothing to do with working class people being left behind by the elites. I'm working class and I don't go round beating up women, racially abusing brown people and disrupting trials of paedophiles.
@19:27 "a crypto-Nazi street thug" That may be the case and the hat (haircut actually) fits.
DeleteI would genuinely like to know if TR is genuinely a crypto-Nazi or if he is just a working class with a grievance. The destruction of his community is a grievance as is the alleged systematic rape of a million women and children while Labour councils (largely) covered up ....and even prosecuted the victims.
This is not my opinion - it is the finding of the belated investigations
Rather than endless repetition of the same claims, I would appreciate links or other credible evidence for the claims made.
We [you] need to be specific, let's start with:
"racially abusing brown people"
(religion is not to be conflated btw)
Then you can move on to "beating up women"
(believable, but a new on for me)
&
"disrupting trials of paedophiles"
Despite the complexities already mentioned we can take this claim as "proven" -Though these rape gangs are not necessarily paedophiles. A small proportion of the (many) victims have been pre-teen. Youth appears to be a strong factor in their selection/opportunism. While it does not ban sex with girls of under 11 (except for kafirs) it appears to be discouraged in the Quran.
I should add to the above that there are cultural issues which are often overlooked.
DeleteThe bible/traditional Christianity is "sex negative" (sex is bad and not to be indulged in) and the Quran is strongly "sex positive"
(at least for heterosexual sex, and under the prescribed circumstances)
Sorry, precision is important. I have been cack-handed in my phrasing which is crap:
Delete"While it does not ban sex with girls of under 11 (except for kafirs) it appears to be discouraged in the Quran."
Can I update this to :
By most credible interpretations the Quran approves sex with girls as young as 11 under specific circumstances (except for kafirs where there is apparently no 'age of consent').
Grooming gangs and mass rape are about men using their power to dominate other people and for their own gratification.
DeleteThat has nothing to do with Islam.
I would hope a regular poster on an anti-child abuse blog would have a better understanding of the dynamics of how sexual abuse works than just "it's the Muslims".
Apparently not.
@15:52 "Grooming gangs and mass rape are about men using their power to dominate other people and for their own gratification." - Well obviously; I have no problem agreeing with that, though I would tend to describe it including more biological explanation. Sex are adjacent sides of the same dice in evolutionary biology. Sex is literally an animal instinct and no one is to blame for following it. It is society and law and 'civilisation' which bridles this instinct into our norms of 'asking nicely', avoiding risk and harm to the male's 'quarry', and encourages compassion over the potential brutality of the sex drive.
Delete"That has nothing to do with Islam" -Sorry @15:52 but the data and reports say otherwise and that Islamic heritage is *staggeringly* overrepresented in some types of abuse (& probably under represented in other types)
I dislike Stuart's words but "Here you go; no hiding place"
I also find brutality to women of some of these gangs quite staggering. Sharia culture also provides some explanation of this.
In Sharia a woman's obedience is to be achieved with beating by her husband (or owner?) and a woman "can be enjoyed in any way the man wishes".
Would you argue that Sharia culture is just words and has no effect on behaviour and deeply engrained attitudes?
These men are not stupid. they don't just beat vulnerable girls on the street. That is why it is called "grooming". They pretend to be nice, give them food …..& drinks …..& alcohol …..& drugs.
The alcohol and the drugs particularly lubricate the process.
The first stages can be quite exciting for a slightly rebellious pubescent - to have a "boyfriend" with a BMW or cash to flash. Mr Nice and Mr Exciting turn out to demand total obedience and effectively even be a pimps.
These are "the dynamics of how sexual abuse works"
-or at least this particular type of abuse.
There is a tendency to concentrate on the sex and the brutality of these gangs and undoubtedly unimaginable suffering and suicides have been caused.
In reality the main death toll will be from hooking youngsters on alcohol and drugs.
@15:52 Did you take the time to read the data and links on the previous thread?
“the data and reports say otherwise and that Islamic heritage is *staggeringly* overrepresented in some types of abuse“
DeleteAnd the data also shows that black people are disproportionately represented in prison. So by your logic that is because black people are inferior and genetically more likely to commit crimes.
Your comments about Sharia culture and women are laughable. Try replacing the word Sharia with Catholic and you get the same thing. But do we see Tommy Robinson railing against Catholic sex abuse? No. Because most of the perpetrators aren’t brown.
You’ve been rumbled. You’re an anti-Muslim bigot. Now f**k off.
Hi again Potty-Mouth @10:50
DeleteI also said that Islamic heritage is "probably under represented in other types [of abuse]"
I do not agree with your suggestion that "black people are inferior and genetically more likely to commit crimes" -there are cultural and socio-economic explanations.
Where there is *found* to be a 'hot spot' of abuse the sensible thing is to is to find the factors causing/allowing it and if possible find ways to stop or at least reduce it.
Reports into the grooming gangs found that the risk of being branded a "racist bigot" was a factor preventing the investigation of these crimes, or even in admitting/recognising that there was a problem. This moral and intellectual failure left those [alleged] ~million children available for rape and battery over those decades, and here you are pushing the same failed agenda.
No my statements do not "get the same thing" if you "replace the word Sharia with Catholic".
"Sharia and Catholic" are both conservative but as previously observed Catholicism is 'sex-negative' … Catholicism forbids/discourages sex outside of marriage whereas Sharia permits/encourages it (at least for men) under certain circumstances. Christianity/Catholicism even tends to prescribe the position in which sex can be performed (but not enjoyed LOL), whereas the Quran states that "the female can be enjoyed in any way the man wishes" …..presumably any orifice and any position.
The beating of (catholic/christian) women into obedience is more of a "conservative" issue rather than being a prescribed activity as it is in Sharia
Catholic sexual abuse is a massive problem but the abuse appears to be against the teachings of Christianity (though no doubt a motivated scholar or abuser could find weak justification in the old testament if they were looking for it)
Like 'Islamic abuse', the reasons for the magnitude of 'Catholic sexual abuse' are a valid (essential even!) subject for analysis and discussion:
It is likely that sexual repression and particularly the catholic requirement for celibacy is a major factor in the abuse. Even thought the abuse is evolutionary biology furnishes (blesses?) most males with an intense sex drive. The celibacy and the repression form a throbbing pressure vessel which in many cases finds a perverted relief valve, or splits completely.
You can't buck biology -it is the ultimate truth, far older and more powerful than religion.
Apart from the foolish and cruel dogma of celibacy just mentioned, the magnitude of Catholic abuse is caused by endless cover up -and hence endless reoffending.
The Catholic's enthusiasm for running schools and orphanages provided a captive audience -or rather captives who could be abused on an industrial scale. Brutal regimes softened up the victims and ensured their silence. Deference to a priesthood who were holy and beyond reproach provided perfect positions and cover for abusers.
There are similarities and differences between 'Islamic abuse' and 'Catholic abuse'. The prevalence of both is partially caused by their *religious laws*.
For the former Sharia provides (for those that want it) a narrative and justification for abuse.
For the latter Cannon Law (catholic) provides a method of covering up in house -and hence ensuring that abuse is repeated not stopped.
In their different ways both belief systems are a causal factor in either the abuse or continuation of abuse.
Both belief systems claim to answer to a higher authority than secular "man made laws"
Both belief systems subvert the law of our land and human morals.
CONTINUED
As for Tommy Robinson; he is a "paddy" (oooo….can I say that?). Indeed we do not "see him railing against Catholic sex abuse" This may be because "most of the perpetrators aren’t brown" or it may because Catholic sex abuse is not a known problem in his town or in his family ...Well Einstein, you need to ask him. I can only speak for myself and I rail against abuse whoever the perpetrators are.
DeleteI did not get an apology last time you started name calling.
An apology would be nice, but I won't get one and I don't really care :-)
I know it is hard but please try to rediscover your ability to learn. Learn from past tragedies so that we can together work to avoid the present and future ones.
These tragedies are always multi faceted in their causes. Identifying possible causes is the easy bit. Finding workable solutions is the hard part.
In the case of Islamic abuse, ideally the solutions to abuse (and indeed terrorism) would come from inside the Islamic community. This could be in the form of zero tolerance of unacceptable behaviours and attitudes and clarification of what behaviours and attitudes are unacceptable.
Would you encourage them to do this?
The Catholic church has had multiple opportunities to put it's own house in order and has failed miserably. Shame!
Too much trolling, new post please vfc.
Delete:-) that's priceless @16:16
DeleteWe could listen to a self appointed "expert" such as yourself, or we could listen to someone who actually knows what they are talking about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Afzal
"Afzal is best known for tackling cases involving violence against women and the sexual exploitation of children. Until 2004, he had not been aware of forced marriages and honour crimes happening in the UK, but he was approached by a group of women with compelling testimony. They asked him to use his position to investigate, so he held a conference on the issues and set up a national database, cataloguing dozens of instances of potential crimes.[20] 2005 saw the honour killing of Samaira Nazir; as area director for the CPS[21], Afzal was responsible for the prosecution of her relatives, and described the beliefs that led to her murder as "tragic and outdated".[22] He thought that such traditional attitudes would die out with the older immigrant generation, but by 2008, by which time he was the CPS's lead on honour-based violence, he realised that young men held the same controlling beliefs about honour and purity, and that education needed to start with primary school children to challenge this.[23] "I have talked to loads of Muslim women and I can tell you that the greatest fear they have is not Islamophobia or being attacked by racists or being arrested on suspicion of terrorism. It is from within their own family."[24]
One of his first decisions on becoming a chief crown prosecutor was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale sex trafficking gang, overturning an earlier decision by the CPS. He suggested that "white professionals' over-sensitivity to political correctness and fear of appearing racist may well have contributed to justice being stalled".[11] He said "I do feel that there's a deficit of leadership in some parts of the Muslim community. They could be much more challenging of certain behaviours".[25] He attributed the attacks to "evil men", saying that the key driver was "male power".[25] A New York Times profile said:
Being a man, a practicing Muslim and the son of immigrants from the conservative tribal area in northwestern Pakistan might make Mr. Afzal an unlikely feminist in the eyes of some. But that is how he describes himself — and his gender, he said, is by far his biggest asset. “Women have been talking about these issues for a long time,” he said. “I’m not the first person to take up this fight in this country, I’m just the first man, and that makes it a lot easier. I come from these communities. I understand their patriarchal nature. I can challenge them,” he continued. “And because I am a man, the men in the community are more likely to listen to me. [because women have low status and "half the value of a man" in Sharia]
Nazir Afzal also makes valuable observations about the links between rape gangs and the massive drug economy.
So, sorry pumpkin, you are the "Patronising bigot" @16:16 and an *actual expert* has an assessment of the situation which is similar to mine.
Well done for avoiding the bad language this time -now you need to work on the other insults and misrepresentations.
Invariably if you fail to recognise a problem, it continues and gets worse. Sadly people like you who lack the intellectual and moral courage to confront difficult issues have made yourselves shareholders in the rape and torture of "up to one million children".
Congratulations! You must be so proud of yourself.
Looks like we've Schrodinger's racist.
DeleteYou want us to believe Muslims hate women etc, so give us a testimony from a feminist male Muslim.
Think it through, genius.
@14:01 "Schrodinger's racist" - That's witty :-)
DeleteSadly you failed to "Think it through" …...or in fact to use the more basic ability to *read*.
"You want us to believe Muslims hate women etc" -where did I say that, pray?
Muslims do *not* hate women. They (for the most part) like women.
The problem I highlighted (several times probably) is that *unreformed* Muslims think that they can and should have power over women and demand obedience.
You are familiar @14:01 with the concept of a straw man argument?
(not "genius" BTW)
Muslims (particularly the unreformed) *may* well "hate" ….the "etc" you mention in the case of the "pansexual" or whatever it was called.
I should not mention the details or he may arm himself and his militia with even more lethal weapons.
(No disrespect intended if I 'misgendered' anyone, btw)
Oh, and by the way @14:01 that is not just "testimony from a feminist male Muslim" it is testimony from a *hero* of child protection.
Delete(and the protection of women)
Nazir Afzal is also courageous reformer of the faith. We need more like him.
Do you find his testimony compelling?
If not why not?
So now we’ve moved from tarring all Muslims with the same racist brush to now exclusively talking about “unreformed” Muslims.
DeleteThat’s progress.
It’s amazing what can be achieved when you shine a spotlight on bigotry.
In the meantime, if you’d still like to praise Tommy Robinson, you can continue to f**k off.
Hi again Potty-Mouth @09:11
DeleteOh bless!
Sorry Pumpkin, we have made *no* progress.
You sill can't *read* :-(
This (from 26 October 2018 at 10:33) may help:
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2018/09/donald-bailhache.html?showComment=1540546421772#c6623630066800475161
"...….
Religion, especially *unreformed* religion, has a particular capacity to provide a moral framework to remove non-believer's humanity and worth. They even have a derogatory word for it.
Jersey has a small Islamic community - they are largely modern middle class people who work at the hospital and the like.
Modern middle class people are generally an asset not a problem.
……."
Under the circumstances I don't expect you to be able to understand what a "straw man fallacy" actually is -but in the meantime please tell us which part of "unreformed" you did not understand.
I really am here to help :-)
Keep talking like we care what you say.
DeleteYou’ve come on an anti-child abuse website to sing the praises of a fascist who almost derailed a trial of paedophiles.
You are the enemy.
Nice try pumpkin.
Delete"sing the praises of a fascist" LOL
See; I was right not to expect you to be able to understand what a straw man fallacy is so I will try to keep this simple.
I repeat: fascism in all it's forms is reprehensible -right wing left wing or religious.
Much is made of the rule of law on this blog. The rule of law is what is supposed to protect all of us - *including* vulnerable children.
I repeat: "anyone who supports the unlawful imprisonment of those they see as their political opponent are fascists themselves".
Is that you pumpkin?
The failures of the rule of law in Jersey have been well documented by the likes of Ex Health Minister Stuart Syvret.
What is less known is that UK failures in the rule of law have contributed to the alleged one million children being groomed and raped by gangs. Police forces controlled by left wing and Marxist inspired councils even took to threatening home office staff truing to assess the scale of the problem! She was a brave woman but did not want her address sharing with rape gangs. A good number of the girls died.
As is their right, people on here have taken to "singing the praises" of the current Charlie (or Jeremy rather) in charge of the Labour Party. I am old enough to remember the Michael Foot debacle. Corbyn is from the same mould but even more lacking in his understanding of reality -or indeed the judgement required to prevent him from consorting with reprehensibly violent/racist politico-militias or praising clearly anti-Semitic murals.
Corbyn may get elected. Christmas is coming and when grandad promises sackloads of presents at no cost the more naïve will believe him.
Jeremy Corbyn had the opportunity to champion the protection of children -or at least to begin to make amends for his part in the failures of the past.
He failed:
www.mann4bassetlaw.com/an_open_letter_to_jeremy_corbyn_on_child_abuse
That page appears to be offline at the moment but I can paste the open letter if you want.
This is far more relevant to Jersey than debating the Judges errors in his (for the moment) overturned imprisonment of Yaxley-Lennon.
Children were actually trafficked between Islington and Jersey!
Well done Jeremy.
Ah, yes, "left-wing fascism". You know, the sort that definitely does exist, trust me, and definitely isn't a ridiculous and offensive epithet cooked up by actual fascists (such as yourself) to disguise your fascism.
DeleteI'm not sure you really understand how policing works if you think the "left wing and Marxist inspired" (Marxist my arse) councils in the areas you're referring to had control over the police forces. The police forces scarcely had control over themselves as they battled between people wanting to immediately expose the abuse and risk a racist backlash (this is the sort of thing which leads to lynchings if not handled correctly) and people wanting to take a more considered approach. We all know there were severe failings and excesses on the part of the cops. Blaming them on Labour councils is frankly ridiculous.
I find it pretty shocking on an anti-child abuse blog that someone is naive enough to genuinely believe that the police aren't entirely independent of political control and focused on pursuing their own agenda.
Newsflash - the police are not your friends.
At 08:35 'who is we?' Why, one would have thought that obvious, civil society of course. What a perverse and ignorant question.
ReplyDeleteYou may take heart Mr (Ms?) VFC that your important independent investigative journalism and the work of fellow campaigners continues to terrify the criminally motivated and contribute to their many sleepless nights. It is important work you do, and may I as a member of civil society wish you all success.
Nothing perverse about asking who is 'We'.
DeleteIf there's a dedicated group of people then who are they?
Okay, but why would anyone other than a death threat troll want to know?
DeleteTime for the States to be anulled and an official dictatorship announced.
ReplyDeleteWho is the dictator, Le Fondre?
DeleteDon't you mean an official dickhead be announced?
DeleteLOL! Never a truer word...
DeleteARM YOURSELVES AND CALL OUT YOUR MILITIA !
ReplyDeleteOnly a *new post* can save us from having our brains eaten
It is HALLOWEEN EAVE AND this is a ZOMBIE THREAD and the number of comments is nearing 200 !
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In the meantime ARM YOURSELVES and MAN THE BARRICADES !
(so sorry; person the barricades!)
I abhor violence (unless it is the right sort of violence) and while you are blasting them to meet their non existent maker please remember that zombies are (were?) people too!
For clarity; I am only referring to *unreformed* zombies obviously and every zombie has a right to an equal share of your brains.
Seriously though
Happy Halloween to all VFC's readers, zombies and trolls!
P.S.
DeleteIf you can't find an arm -use a leg instead.
There should be plenty lying about!
You clicked you fool!
DeleteNow the zombies will eat the rich!
….that is all of us BTW because it is assessed on a comparative basis :-)
Don't you know that the Constables ARE the living dead?
DeleteSeems to me they might as well all be the living dead bar Higgins. Eat me. I can't take any more.
DeleteWell, this is mature.
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