This is a must watch video/documentary of how the "elite" BBC and mainstream media conduct their business. It (the documentary) will come as no surprise to those who have been reading the local Jersey Blogs since 2007/8 during Operation Rectangle and the trashing of the names (by the MSM and Establishment) of those who have tried to protect children in Jersey.
The documentary appears to expose homophobia, racism, elitism, bias, classism, blackmail (and much more) by the BBC and its associates.
You won't have seen, or be seeing, this documentary in the mainstream media and after you have watched it you will know why.
Why be surprised at this damning documentary? Most readers will now know the way the corporate spiv world works if they have been with you and the likes of Syvret, Pitman, Hill and co long. As another little insight to the real world maybe consider that, only published by the Morning Star in Britain, America's former FBI Chief has told how President Donald Trump was demanding to know more than two years ago "why, I don't understand it, we aren't at ear with Venuesuala? They have all the oil we need and their in our backyard!" Not one mainstream UK or US as far as I know MSM has reported this. Instead pumping out the same anti-left fake news. No fan of the incompetent Maduro but this, like your documentary above says so much. Like Orwell wrote he who controls the media controls the world.
ReplyDeleteAt War not Ear! LOL!
ReplyDeleteAppalling, frightening but sadly unsurprising.
ReplyDelete"I am John Sweeney, formerly of the BBC"
ReplyDeleteCan you spare the price of a cup of tea, governor?
Delete…...Fcuk off actually, lets make it a Champaign seeing as you're paying!
DeleteYou appear to be under the impression that the BBC will hold John Sweeney to account and possibly fire him? You should know that the BBC don't hold its own to account, Jimmy Savile being a case in point. Here's an example of the BBC refusing to hold one of its own to account a little closer to HOME.
DeleteNeither Sweeney, nor the BBC, will be accountable for this scandal. The entire MSM are protecting the BBC which in turn protects the discredited and disgraced MSM as a whole. They all look after each other.
No VFC, but I thought it might be fun to contemplate
DeleteThe BBC will not discipline or fire John Sweeney unless they have to.
Let's face it, it is unlikely that the rot and the agenda stops with John Sweeney.
I was surprised not to see an appropriate reference to this scandal on his Wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sweeney_(journalist)
There is mention of Panodrama and John Sweeney on Tommy Robinso's page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)
which ends
BBC announcement added: "Some of the footage which has been released was recorded without our knowledge during this investigation and John Sweeney made some offensive and inappropriate remarks, for which he apologises."
Funny, I did not see John Sweeney apologising on the film, I saw him denying or defending his racist remarks.
Hilarious!
I couldn't find any reference on John Sweeney's WIKI PAGE?
DeleteBut did on TOMMY ROBINSON'S.
In passing.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Sam is being sidelined.
Link
States spokesperson issues statement on housing market without reference to housing minister. Bad enough. But then attributes it to housing minister.
And this:
"Director of communications Stephen Hardwick has previously said that he was ‘unprepared’ for the level of scrutiny he has received since starting the role. Mr Hardwick was appointed on an interim basis by States chief executive Charlie Parker as part of an initial four-strong team – dubbed ‘Charlie’s Angels’ – to help re-shape the Island’s civil service. "
Oh dear.
Sidelined? That is what happens when you join the club and lose your radicalism - even by default. Sam is 'a team player' now. One of the boys. He made his bed and will have to lie in it. But lie - interesting word that!
DeleteThus far Sam has been something of a disappointment. He appears to have been played by the establishment at every juncture
Delete-The gerrymandered Bailhache referendum
-The Liar Lewis proposition
-The silent minister
Despite retaining his "radicalism" Syvret succeeded in being a "team player" for a good number of years as Health Minister etc until that day he highlighted Jersey's systemic child abuse problem and had to be terminated by the combined might of the establishment and the JEPeado.
Sam appears rather shy of touching the "third rail" of Jersey child abuse. It is rather unfortunate therefore, that he accepted the position of "Children's Minister".
Like so many (on either the right or the left) I suspect that Sam will put real child protection aside if it advances his other agenda, like the ironic fantasy of a socialist paradise ....in a tax haven!
Did you watch the documentary? With what has been uncovered about the BBC and John Sweeney you want to talk about Mezec and Syvret!? What about the blackmail, false sexual allegations, scripting interviewees, homophobia, racism, classism on the part of the BBC/John Sweeney have you nothing to say about that?
DeleteHi @09:33 The apparent assimilation of Sam Mezec is an appropriate subject for discussion on this blogsite.
DeleteYes I watched the documentary yesterday and have already made initial comment on it yesterday @13:13 "I am John Sweeney, *formerly* of the BBC"
If the BBC/Panorama are to retain any credibility after this, John Sweeney has to go. I have little confidence that will happen. It is quite likely that he was instructed to do a hit piece and 'was only following orders'.
There may be another reason for John Sweeney not going -Tommy Robinson claims to also have recordings of John Sweeney bragging that the BBC cannot get rid of him because he has dirt on them!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrjlhasvJBk&feature=youtu.be&t=55
LINK.
DeleteWell with Split Votes Nick Le Cornu messed it up for Reform Jersey tonight.
ReplyDeleteKarma or what?
If Nick had not stood Reform Jersey would have won.
DeleteSam should consider taking Nick back into the Party.
More chance of a white Christmas. In July. There are no credible left-leaning progressives around anymore. Come back the Pitmans! At least think about it if you should read this. Please.
Delete#Panodrama now has approaching 650,000 views
ReplyDeleteThe sight of the faces of the dejected BBC production team at 37m0s is a sight to behold!
https://youtu.be/wNd2bvLvyk4?t=2215
This is even before they are played the recording of John Sweeney apparently asking Robinson’s former aide Lucy Brown to FAKE an allegation of sexual/gendered violence against Robinson !
Twenty four hours after Tommy Robinson published #Panodrama his Facebook account was taken down. Shouldn't the BBC's account have been closed down for broadcasting and publishing fake news?
ReplyDeleteThis man is a racist so surprised VFC is showing support for him.
ReplyDeleteUnless things are getting desperate.
Not only is he a racist, but as the documentary clearly shows, he is a bigot, classist, a man that is associated with blackmailers, a liar and a fraud and peddler of Fake News. But who knew a member of the old media (formerly known as mainstream media) like John Sweeney would/could be all these things and still be employed as a “journalist” (sic)
DeleteI’m with you on this in that I certainly do not support Mr. Sweeney so rest assured things aren’t getting desperate round here.
My apologies I forgot to include homophobe.
Delete"a man that is associated with blackmailers," Maybe not just blackmailers -it is alleged that one of the blackmail victims was subjected to a homosexual rape in Milan (or at least assault/rape attempt)
Deletehttps://youtu.be/wNd2bvLvyk4?t=2010
at 35m40s "Hope not Hate raped Caolan"
After Savile it makes a change for these things not to be done on BBC premises.
VFC rather wickedly makes the point that we should all be judged by the same standard @10:17 & 10:47.
DeleteIt is quite extraordinary that Lucy Brown was able to get so much compromising material on John Sweeney in one three hour sitting, pitted against the experience and resources of the BBC.
Clearly VFC is showing little support for John Sweeney LOL
VFC's blog on "#Panodrama" does not necessarily indicate any support for Tommy Robinson.
#Panodrama is a significant news item which the mainstream media are refusing to confront.
Tommy Robinson / Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is an easy man to dislike. I particularly dislike his rabble rousing but I understand that this is likely the manifestation of a working class "Millwall" approach. The concerns he raises are however real and have been getting worse over the last 3 decades and it is people from his community who have paid the bulk of the price.
There is no shortage of material on Robinson ranting and railing but it is a foolish person who entirely dismisses the facts and real concerns behind his rants.
Racism is part of the human condition, a manifestation of the deeply tribal nature of us humans. Racism is a spectrum condition and we are all on that spectrum no matter what our colour or creed. The few who are truly "colour blind" are now defined as "racist" by some of the extreme positive discrimination / Antifa types.
Where you judge John Sweeney and Tommy Robinson to be on that spectrum depends rather on your definition of racism.
Tommy Robinson is certainly opposed to mass immigration. There is a growing consensus that multiculturalism has failed and that immigration levels should never have exceeded the host communities ability to assimilate. Certain religions apparently forbid integration so the problems may take generations to solve …...if ever!
Opposition to mass immigration can morph all too easily into actual racism.
If it were a real word it might be appropriate to describe Robinson as an Islamophobe -but a phobia by definition is an *irrational* aversion. I fear that it may be more accurate to describe Robinson as an Islamo-realist. There is a sufficient proportion of British Muslims who have illiberal or hateful views for this to be a major cause for concern. They need to put their house in order if they are going to cohabit peacefully in western liberal democracies.
@21:26
DeleteHome-grown bigots like Tommy Robinson are much more of a concern than bigoted British Muslims, if we’re talking about a threat to “western liberal democracy”. I’ve never actually believed in “western liberal democracy”, or any version thereof - it’s wasteful and sells out real people to globalists and the rich and powerful every single time - but if you’re looking for a threat to it, British Muslims are not that. They’re a relatively insular community, like Haredi Jews (and I don’t see you making the same noise about integration where the Jews are concerned) - they aren’t really bothered about your “western liberal democracy” as long as they aren’t intruded on. Tommy Robinson and his supporters are mainly white British Christians who want to burn your lovely little liberal democracy to the ground.
Couldn’t agree more although Robinson himself doesn’t scare me .... what scares me is that people not only listen to his convoluted world view but that they are drawn in by it. Reminds me of Enoch Powell ... remember his Rivers of Blood speech ... and Adolf Hitler’s pre WW2 rally speeches.
DeleteI may get to 20:39's apparent comi-tragic denial of the existence of "political Islam" later.
DeleteAlso the glib off-hand dismissal of "relatively insular communities" as if ghettos from the most violent, divisive and backward parts of the globe do not present issues for the host community or for "low ranking" people within those communities -like females, or "kafirs" who are often considered a lower form of human -if that.
@03:26 There are valid criticisms of Enoch Powell's 1968 speech which appears to have been greeted with a mixed bag of popular approval and media / political outrage.
Enoch Powell appears to have been right in some respects -I would say more right in his predictions based on religion than on race. (racial integration is vastly slowed by internal resistance to religious integration)
From the Wikipepidia page:
"...Thirty years after the speech, Edward Heath {who sacked Powell for the speech} said that Powell's remarks on the "economic burden of immigration" had been "not without prescience". {that means FORSIGHT !! btw}
The Labour Party MP Michael Foot remarked to a reporter that it was "tragic" that this "outstanding personality" had been widely misunderstood as predicting actual bloodshed in Britain, when in fact he had used the Aeneid quotation merely to communicate his own sense of foreboding.[57]
In November 2007, Nigel Hastilow resigned as Conservative candidate for Halesowen and Rowley Regis after he wrote an article in the Wolverhampton Express & Star that included the statement: "Enoch, once MP for Wolverhampton South-West, was sacked from the Conservative front bench and marginalised politically for his 1968 'Rivers of Blood' speech, warning that uncontrolled immigration would change Britain irrevocably. He was right and immigration has changed the face of Britain dramatically."[58][59]
In January 2014, UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage, after being told during an interview that a statement just read to him had come from Powell's speech, said: "Well what he was warning about was the large influx of people into an area, that change an area beyond recognition, there is tension – the basic principle is right."[60] In June of that year, in response to an Islamist plot to infiltrate schools in Birmingham, Conservative peer and former minister Norman Tebbit wrote in The Daily Telegraph, "No one should have been surprised at what was going on in schools in Birmingham. It is precisely what I was talking about over 20 years ago and Enoch Powell was warning against long before that. We have imported far too many immigrants who have come here not to live in our society, but to replicate here the society of their homelands."[61] Conservative MP Gerald Howarth said on the same issue, "Clearly, the arrival of so many people of non-Christian faith has presented a challenge, as so many of us, including the late Enoch Powell, warned decades ago. ..."
Michael Foot did not live to see it but there has been "actual bloodshed" on British streets -Lee Rigby decapitated -7/7 tube and bus bombings -Kids and their parents at the Ariana Grande concert etc. etc. These acts were not perpetrated by Haredi Jews and no doubt you will be able to explain how these atrocities were in fact our fault -or "justified" as the ISIL bride recently suggested.
P.S.
DeleteHow many times has Nigel Farage been branded a "racist" -a "fascist" -a "Nazi" ?
These insults loose all impact and meaning when they are used like confetti in in the crass attempt to discuss real issues.
Further they are worthless slurs if there is no evidence to back them up.
It is clear that Yaxley-Lennon is no angel and it is easy to be put off by his "working class" style but it is long overdue to confront the points he and other raise.
This remains the case even if they are able to get some real dirt on Yaxley-Lennon. We will see -this Panorama farce suggests that they are scraping through the bottom of the barrel.
@07:59
Delete"Ghettos"?
"backward"?
People like you are the reason disaffected young Muslims turn towards Islamism as a means to solve their problems. Tommy Robinson is hardly helping matters in that regard.
Engaging with British Muslims, cutting ties with imperialist, Islamofascist states like Saudi Arabia and shutting down Wahabist mosques are the appropriate response to tragedies like the Manchester bombing. Referring to the Middle East as "backward" is not, particularly when huge amounts of said "backwardness" are due to Western interventions. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria - are you beginning to see a pattern yet? Western powers can't abide the idea of a socialist government in the Middle East which refuses to be told what to do by the CIA. They deposed Mossadegh, they murdered Saddam, they murdered Gaddafi, they tried to depose Assad - every single time, Islamists stepped in to fill the power vacuum. Result? Genocide of Yazidis and Assyrians, the return of black slavery in Libya, chemical attacks by the White Helmets, the invasion of Syria by Turkey, the near-capture of Baghdad by Islamic State, and, far more important for us than any of that, a flood of millions of Muslims straight into Western Europe, some of whom will obviously have grievances, justified or not, against the West. You take disaffected young British Muslims who have seen their countries bombed and destroyed, introduce them to Abdul bin-Jihadi, teach them a few tricks and suddenly a bunch of kids have been blown up in Manchester.
If we had been nearly as hostile towards Israel as we have towards Muslim countries, Jews would be doing the same, and worse, for they know what persecution feels like more than most.
Yaxley-Lennon's style is not the style of a "working class" person, it is the style of a shameless crook attempting to blame the vast majority of peaceful (if a bit illiberal) British Muslims for the acts of a few people who have been radicalised principally by the West's reckless foreign policy and the idiotic attitudes of people like you.
On a final note, the idea that anyone needs "dirt" on S Y-L is ridiculous. The man is a convicted fraudster, with a rap sheet including such diverse convictions as ABH, assaulting a police officer, rioting, passport and mortgage fraud, and two counts of contempt of court. The mere fact that he's a repeat criminal who routinely shows no respect for the same laws he accuses Muslims of defying is enough to debunk his nonsense in and of itself.
He's not much more than Britain's most successful attention-seeker.
Bit lost on this one.
ReplyDeleteWhy not abandon the BBC?
Frankly I couldn't give a rats arse whether the BBC makes things up because like the Sun newspaper I ignore it.
The BBC is the British national broadcaster
Deleteby number of employees the BBC is the largest broadcaster in the world
It has influence both nationally and internationally
It is famous for it's wildlife documentaries and the like.
It is infamous for creating and then protecting abuse-on-legs in the form of Jimmy Savile and others.
Certainly it makes sense to refuse to pay the TV license fee, but it is very poor advice to ignore the BBC
I repeat VFC's words: This is a must watch video/documentary of how the "elite" BBC and mainstream media conduct their business. It (the documentary) will come as no surprise to those who have been reading the local Jersey Blogs since 2007/8 during Operation Rectangle and the trashing of the names (by the MSM and Establishment) of those who have tried to protect children in Jersey.
These are the words of establishment spooks.
Delete'Frankly I couldn't give a rats arse whether the BBC makes things up because like the Sun newspaper I ignore it.'
It matters hugely that the BBC and The Sun publish biased stories, propaganda, lies, and cover things up. Because that general week in and week out regular opinion-management does have a massive influence on the great majority of people. It hypnotises us, misleads us, numbs us, it limits and forms the amount and type of information we receive. Science shows just how easy it is to influence people, in spite of our individual vanities that 'we don't fall for it'. We do.
There is nothing the establishment would like more, than for us to be indifferent to the constant 'conditioning' we are exposed to by the powerful's MSM.
We need to do the opposite of being indifferent of such corruption if we want to have real democracy. We need to support each other in constantly challenging and raising awareness of MSM corruption. Because the MSM always, all of it no matter that it may seem to carry different positions, is always in the control of the rich, the powerful, and frequently the rich and powerful.
Sick of the racism on here.
ReplyDeleteWhat's happened VFC?
Unfortunately due to the racism, homophobia, classism, elitism portrayed by John Sweeney/BBC Panorama this was always going to be a controversial posting.
DeleteI'm surprised people appear to be siding with John Sweeney and are attacking Tommy Robinson. It's the tactics used by the BBC and its associates and of course the apparent racism, homophobia, classism, elitism, alleged blackmail, scripting of interviews etc that I thought would be abhorrent to readers/BBC license fee payers.
No doubt when/if the BBC/Panorama publish its Documentary "Tommy Take Down" Tommy Robinson will be getting a kicking. It seems to me that the tactics employed by BBC and its associates are acceptable to some which is quite concerning.
If we are going to have a productive and adult conversation, it is essential that we judge everybody by the same standards.
DeleteJohn Sweeney's racism (and all his other indiscretions offered in a mere 3 hour[!] timeslot) are nasty and unbecoming but *may* be of a relatively low level. They probably are sufficient for his position at a broadcaster of the stature of the BBC to become untenable. If our standards are right they are universal. Targeted standards are false standards.
Putting aside the indiscretions, John Sweeney's unprofessionalism has sunk his career unless he does indeed have savilesque or similar dirt on the BBC.
The evidence against John Sweeney is not circumstantial, it is literally from the donkey's mouth!
Tommy Robinson may be a racist". There is circumstantial evidence that he is and also circumstantial evidence that he is not. The onus is on those making the allegation to provide the evidence. If it really is as self evident as they claim then providing that evidence should be easy.
Aspects of TR's style makes me cringe, but in fairness he is a product of his upbringing and circumstance. He was a working class lad who did not benefit from an expensive or even a university education. TR's roots and upbringing would be small mitigating circumstance if he were caught displaying John Sweeney levels of racism (homophobia, classism, elitism etc).
At the very least, those condemning him would need to cut him the same slack as they have already apparently shown the educated and privileged John Sweeney.
There is years of footage of TR so damning evidence of "true racism" should be easy to find and merely relying on the media's portrayal of him looks increasingly weak, particularly in the light of these "Panodrama" revelations.
Man up and provide the evidence. A couple of nutters in a crowd is evidence of what is in their head only. Some have allegedly even taken to giving fascists salutes to the fascists in Antifa (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory ) just to wind them up -this might seem fun but would be counterproductive.
@09:16 -With the exception of John Sweeney's behaviour I do not see any " "racism on here".
The accusation of racism where there is none is one of the factors (according to Labour MP Sarah Champion) in allowing an estimated million underaged girls in the UK to be variously groomed, raped and prostituted over several decades by predominantly Islamic gangs.
These things are variously fact and informed opinion.
If you take the view that campaigning against these things or that opposing mass immigration beyond capability to integrate, is "racist" -then I am proud to be called a racist.
I would not be proud to be John Sweeney who has proved himself to be an actual racist (and a bigot and a hypocrite).
The BBC exposé #Panodrama now has over 1.1 Million views!
ReplyDeleteThere is a UKIP commentary here on the apparently coordinated facebook/twitter attack.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JPB47c4o1A
I disagree with the various apologias for Neil Yaxley-Lennon (who prefers to peddle his trade of hate under the nom de guerre 'Tommy Robinson') which appear above.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised at the lack of sophistication - and apparent ignorance of history - some otherwise articulate contributors here seem to display. I suspect they understand full well just how easy it is for a spark to ignite a raging inferno - an inferno which literally ends with human beings - men, women - children - dying - burning - in organised factories of death.
That is why we must - axiomatically - oppose all those with 'messages' of hate - of division - of tribal fear and distrust towards entire categories of human beings. There are certainly to be found around the world in all traditions some illiberal and anti-intellectual customs of thought. Sometimes the powerful, or merely influential, in such environments take advantage of insularities and suspicions and build 'careers' upon foundations of division.
Apologists for Yaxley-Lennon are making the profound error of failing to see that his methodologies are no different - essentially no different at all - to the easy methodologies and narratives of hate employed by Islamist extremists who recruit and enable, that percentage of people to be found in all societies, who are nihilistic psychopaths.
Anyone - anyone - coming to us with a message of hate is - fundamentally - an enemy of the safety of children.
Having made those points, I have to say I agree with the following: -
"John Sweeney's racism (and all his other indiscretions offered in a mere 3 hour[!] timeslot) are nasty and unbecoming but *may* be of a relatively low level. They probably are sufficient for his position at a broadcaster of the stature of the BBC to become untenable. If our standards are right they are universal. Targeted standards are false standards.
Putting aside the indiscretions, John Sweeney's unprofessionalism has sunk his career unless he does indeed have savilesque or similar dirt on the BBC."
The conduct of John Sweeney - who I have met and spoken with in the past - is indeed disgraceful in the footage.
As is that of the BBC. Disgraceful.
Being filled with - and exhibiting - the very bigotries you purport to oppose - working hand-in-glove with a partisan political organisation (Hope not Hate, an organisation I happen to support, but that's not a task the BBC should be doing) - shielding an alleged sexual assault - something which could have become a rape - because the alleged attacker happened to be 'on-the-same-side' as the BBC - frankly embezzling licence payers money on drunken, solipsistic benders - telling a potentially vulnerable interviewee what they should say - priming a witness to exaggerate and embellish things - trying to get the witness to state outright falsehoods - placing pressure on the witness to try to make her invent false accusations of sexual assault (fundamentally an act of direct sabotage of the credibility of real, actual victims) - failing to fact-check the bonafides of purported evidence - and evidencedly seeking to bring to a world-wide audience of the respected BBC Panorama 'journalism' which had manipulated a vulnerable witness into making false accusations of sexual abuse.
And this is THE BBC.
Trying to manufacture a false case against a man who is quiet seedy and odious enough on the facts to be easily exposed as a con-man & grifter of the hate-industry, was as staggeringly incompetent as it was terminally unethical - and potentially catastrophic to the standing of the BBC as a world media organisation.
Foulness, hostility, hate and fear - must be opposed with empathy - and truth. That is a path not compatible with the 'noble-cause-corruption' we've just witnessed the BBC engaging in.
Stuart Syvret
Well Stuart. Others may disagree but IMO you are a giant of child protection, civil protection, Jersey politics, morality even...…. etc etc.
DeleteI accept your chastisement with good grace as I have done before and will do again.
"...a spark to ignite a raging inferno" - indeed, a truly, truly frightening prospect.
I hope and believe we a long, long way from any such "inferno" but "sparks" happen -they are unavoidable, whether in the form of a rabble rouser like Yaxley-Lennon or an atrocity like 7/7 or 'god forbid' a UK 9/11
We are not made safe from the "inferno" merely by snuffing out the spark of the moment -be it Yaxley-Lennon or the Cologne sex attacks etc. Attempts to swamp out those "sparks" and indeed others, makes the danger worse.
Yes, counter the "sparks" in a just and responsible manner but recognise that real safety lies in dealing properly with the "tinder box" …….or "powder keg".
Sparks are trivial if there is not a powder-keg. The challenge is to deal with the powder-keg.
Even uneducated working class folk are not stupid. They understand the basic human concepts of fairness, liberty and reciprocity. They know when something is wrong even if they may not all be able to put it into pretty university level words.
The traditional working class feels ignored and has disproportionally paid the price of high levels of immigration and Yaxley-Lennon voices their interests, identity and concerns and speaks their language.
Triggernometry: How the Labour Party Betrayed the Working Class
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyZQ4b5d9qo
This point about us all being judged by the same standards is absolutely crucial. More on this later.
"I'm surprised at the lack of sophistication - and apparent ignorance of history - some otherwise articulate contributors here seem to display. I suspect they understand full well just how easy it is for a spark to ignite a raging inferno - an inferno which literally ends with human beings - men, women - children - dying - burning - in organised factories of death. "
I too am surprised at the lack of sophistication.
Death is death -The location and structure of the "factory of death" and the ideological motivation behind the industrialised death does not change the death. Auschwitz, the Gulags, the Killing Fields, the religio-ethnic purges -they are ultimately all the same except in the detail.
"apparent ignorance of history" is no less dangerous that fixation on one particular part. World history is bigger than European history and the national socialists are way behind in the body count.
The world is a dangerous place and there are quite daunting negotiations ahead of us. For instance, how does liberalism negotiate with the "unchangeable word of god" -and given that it is "unchangeable" -how can any successes in negotiation be considered as anything other than tactical and therefore temporary.
Recalling your ignorance of European history... "I hold in my hand a piece of paper ……" you know the rest and the dangers of appeasement of fascists.
In "local negotiations" in European communities all we have achieved is compromising our most dearly held principles like the protection and equality of women and girls, the right to speak our minds without threat.
Sequential compromise of our principles is not the answer.
This point about us all being judged by the same standards is absolutely crucial. It is the underlying source of the powder-keg.
YOU have yet to deal with this -as indeed we all do as a society.
I approach this subject from a position of some knowledge. I have knowledge of large tracts of the religious books. My life and work have taken me around the world and into friendships with diverse people of practically every creed. I have had Islamic neighbours, attended Islamic weddings and even taken Moslem girls into my care with my own children.
I wish I had the answers.
A few weeks ago a reader posted about excellent journalism being regularly found in the Morning Star. On the subject of Fake News I too can strongly recommend your readers check out this week's exposure by the excellent John Pilger in the paper on the Trump-led misrepresentation of the situation in Venezuela. The famous Carter Centre as some will know long reported that far from a corrupt dictatorship the electoral system implemented under the late Hugo Chavez was found to be the best out of 92 countries the organisation monitored! Even under the much maligned Maduro Pilger reports how speaking to a rep of the 150 international monitors for Maduro's apparently rigged (according to the US and it's lackies) they observed absolutely zero fraud much to their surprise. Obviously I am quite sure this Fake News could have nothing to do with the vast oil the US want. Or in the case of the UK Tory press another chance to try and mispresent and smear the rarity of a truly socialist Labour leader. Not sure if the Pilger piece is in line but it really is an eye opener from a true journalist.
ReplyDeleteThe Morning Star is actually generally a bloody good read if only you can find an outlet that stocks it. People put off by the socialist tag. Shame.
DeleteWe could do with a Hugo Chavez clone over here. The bottom line though is whether you are at one end of the political spectrum like Robinson or a socialista like Chavez was you are going to be up against the Establishment media and their current fave weapon of choice is fake news. I think it will only get worse.
DeleteEven as a "righty" one can look the current Venezuelan issue and see sedition at its 'finest'
DeleteThe Beano is not the Rag
Chavez was a f***ing legend. A brave man loved by the ordinary folk for whom life was improved ten-fold. I tracked down the Pilger article and it is worth noting he points out how this 'dictator' (words of the Tories and the Daily Express comic) fought and won a world record of fully monitored elections. Odd isn't it that the only local public figure I ever recall lauding Chavez against the right-wing msm smears was the equally brave Trevor Pitman. Revolution in Greed Central Jersey? No thanks. We would rather be sheeple.
DeleteWhat about Martin McGinnis being John Sweeney's political hero, I mean what does that say about the man and the BBC he represents? What about spending £220 on a buzy lunch plying a vulnerable woman with alcohol so she will say what he tells her to say for the documentary? There are families struggling to make ends meet - having to make decisions like whether to eat or heat - but forced to pay £155 for a TV licence or go to court and rack up more expense. How much contempt has John Sweeney got for the licence fee payer when he is spending their hard earned cash on fancy cocktails let alone broadcasting fake news and worshipping people like Martin McGinnis?
ReplyDeleteLabour wants Tommy Robinson removed from YouTube.
ReplyDelete'Tommy Robinson should be banned from YouTube “as a matter of utmost urgency”, says Labour deputy leader Tom Watson.
The EDL founder was removed from Facebook and Instagram on Tuesday for violating their policies on “organised hate” and the targetting of Muslims.
He responded by posting videos to Youtube – the only major social media platform he can still use – claiming he was the victim of censorship.
In a letter to Google chief executive Sundar Pichai on Friday, Mr Watson described Robinson – real name Stephen Yaxley Lennon – as a “violent, racist, Islamophobic campaigner”.
He wrote: “I am now writing to implore you as a matter of utmost urgency to follow the lead that has been, belatedly, set by Facebook, and remove forthwith all ‘Tommy Robinson’ and related pages from your YouTube platform.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-ban-youtube-tom-watson-labour-facebook-instagram-a8805086.html
And John Sweeney still working for the BBC and aloud to broadcast his lies and propoganda tells you all you need to know.
DeleteLabour are pulling out all the stops on TR because they are terrified!
DeleteLabour are now a new party of Neo-Marxists and trendy SJWs and they have abandoned their traditional working class power base -or at worst actually betrayed some of the least privileged people in the country with the blunt instruments of "White Privilege" dogma and globalist Europhilia.
The traditional working class value truth and straight talking and feel censored by the current extremes of political correctness. They see their communities and values in tatters and they see nationalism and Brexit as the corrective medicine.
Due to basic electoral mathematics Labour cannot win an election without their traditional core supporters and risk becoming a metropolitan party. Their core supporters feel better represented by UKIP and people like Tommy Robinson.
Labour are rightly terrified. The cat is out of the bag and Labour being seen as an active participant in "Tommy Takedown" and further censorship may yet do them more harm than good.
How is it possible that the above comment, which goes further than being unashamedly apologist by actually promoting the bigotry and the hate-based and racist ideology of tommy robinson, when my comments, as a caring, liberal and progressive thinking person, which have been deeply critical of everything that tommy robinson stands for, have been censored.
DeleteI’m sorry vfc but you are wrong on this issue. Please think again.
As the person who left the comment which so offends your sensitivities, I shall offer you some advice @12:51
DeleteVFC is "on the right side of this issue". This issue is not the merits or otherwise of TR and I do not even know what VFC's personal opinions are on TR. Tommy Robinson is a sideshow. The issue is truth, honesty and free speech.
VFC is a strong believer in free speech and truth and whenever possible airs all reasonable intelligent opinions. VFC sets the bar pretty low but you need to check your comments against VFC's basic standards of "truth", "reasonableness" and "intelligence".
Were you perhaps gratuitously rude or insulting and did you say or even SHOUT nasty words?
VFC likes to give people the benefit of the doubt because "truth" may be something we search for but none of us have it all the time or even know it when it is presented to them on a plate.
Bizarrely those who have been indoctrinated in postmodern theory do not even consider "truth" to be a relevant concept and see society as a battleground for power between 'identity groups'. Little wonder that the divisions are becoming so deep, nasty and dangerous. Is this progress? and was it achieved with the help of "caring, liberal and thinking" people like you???
This may be your own assessment of your many public virtues, but if your comments appear merely to be shouting down other commenters with hateful words and unsubstantiated claims then you are probably uncaring, illiberal, unthinking. Perhaps even all of those things.
I find that (in the interest of free speech) VFC sets the bar pretty low. Your 12:51 comment is a case in point.
"the bigotry and the hate-based and racist ideology of tommy robinson"
Caring, liberal and thinking readers would appreciate you providing evidence to back up those claims. Please ! How hard can it be?
This has been asked for many times and again we can set the bar pretty low …..say to the level of John Sweeney of the BBC, and it would the level of "hate" was more intense and more unreasonable than that directed against him. After all Tommy Robinson is just a working class lad from a disadvantaged background.
VFC sets the bar very low. If you take this advice it is very likely that your comments will be fit for publication.
So glad if I have been able to help in any way.
I'm surprised at the lack of sophistication - and apparent ignorance of history - some otherwise articulate contributors here seem to display. I suspect they understand full well just how easy it is for a spark to ignite a raging inferno - an inferno which literally ends with human beings - men, women - children - dying - burning - in organised factories of death.
DeleteThat is why we must - axiomatically - oppose all those with 'messages' of hate - of division - of tribal fear and distrust towards entire categories of human beings. There are certainly to be found around the world in all traditions some illiberal and anti-intellectual customs of thought. Sometimes the powerful, or merely influential, in such environments take advantage of insularities and suspicions and build 'careers' upon foundations of division.
Apologists for Yaxley-Lennon are making the profound error of failing to see that his methodologies are no different - essentially no different at all - to the easy methodologies and narratives of hate employed by Islamist extremists who recruit and enable, that percentage of people to be found in all societies, who are nihilistic psychopaths.
Yaxley-Lennon? Doesn't sound quite as working class hero (no pun intended) as Robinson.
DeleteIt has been observed just how low VFC sets the bar for people in order that people can have their say, no matter what their ability.
Delete14:53 could have taken the advice offered at 14:13 but instead they plagiarised a good part of Stuart Syvret's comment (3March at 21:45)
I don't expect that 14:53 can do much more than another cut and paste but I would be interested in Ex Health Minister Syvret's thoughts on my response which is repeated below:
"...a spark to ignite a raging inferno" - indeed, a truly, truly frightening prospect.
I hope and believe we a long, long way from any such "inferno" but "sparks" happen -they are unavoidable, whether in the form of a rabble rouser like Yaxley-Lennon or an atrocity like 7/7 or 'god forbid' a UK 9/11
We are not made safe from the "inferno" merely by snuffing out the spark of the moment -be it Yaxley-Lennon or the Cologne sex attacks etc. Attempts to swamp out those "sparks" and indeed others, makes the danger worse.
Yes, counter the "sparks" in a just and responsible manner but recognise that real safety lies in dealing properly with the "tinder box" …….or "powder keg".
Sparks are trivial if there is not a powder-keg. The challenge is to deal with the powder-keg.
Even uneducated working class folk are not stupid. They understand the basic human concepts of fairness, liberty and reciprocity. They know when something is wrong even if they may not all be able to put it into pretty university level words.
The traditional working class feels ignored and has disproportionally paid the price of high levels of immigration and Yaxley-Lennon voices their interests, identity and concerns and speaks their language.
Triggernometry: How the Labour Party Betrayed the Working Class
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyZQ4b5d9qo
This point about us all being judged by the same standards is absolutely crucial. More on this later.
"I'm surprised at the lack of sophistication - and apparent ignorance of history - some otherwise articulate contributors here seem to display. I suspect they understand full well just how easy it is for a spark to ignite a raging inferno - an inferno which literally ends with human beings - men, women - children - dying - burning - in organised factories of death. "
I too am surprised at the lack of sophistication.
Death is death -The location and structure of the "factory of death" and the ideological motivation behind the industrialised death does not change the death. Auschwitz, the Gulags, the Killing Fields, the religio-ethnic purges -they are ultimately all the same except in the detail.
"apparent ignorance of history" is no less dangerous that fixation on one particular part. World history is bigger than European history and the national socialists are way behind in the body count.
The world is a dangerous place and there are quite daunting negotiations ahead of us. For instance, how does liberalism negotiate with the "unchangeable word of god" -and given that it is "unchangeable" -how can any successes in negotiation be considered as anything other than tactical and therefore temporary.
Recalling your ignorance of European history... "I hold in my hand a piece of paper ……" you know the rest and the dangers of appeasement of fascists.
In "local negotiations" in European communities all we have achieved is compromising our most dearly held principles like the protection and equality of women and girls, the right to speak our minds without threat.
Sequential compromise of our principles is not the answer.
CONTINUED
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE
DeleteThis point about us all being judged by the same standards is absolutely crucial. It is the underlying source of the powder-keg.
YOU have yet to deal with this -as indeed we all do as a society.
I approach this subject from a position of some knowledge. I have knowledge of large tracts of the religious books. My life and work have taken me around the world and into friendships with diverse people of practically every creed. I have had Islamic neighbours, attended Islamic weddings and even taken Muslim girls into my care with my own children.
I wish I had the answers.
[...I don't. I do however have more observations and questions...]
There is usually plenty of food for thought in Ex Health Minister Syvret's comments
DeleteWe were offered a cut and paste in lieu of the elusive evidence requested
I believe that the third paragraph of the cut and paste is in error.
"Apologists for Yaxley-Lennon are making the profound error of failing to see that his methodologies are no different - essentially no different at all - to the easy methodologies and narratives of hate employed by Islamist extremists who recruit and enable, that percentage of people to be found in all societies, who are nihilistic psychopaths."
I can't comment on Yaxley-Lennon's methodologies (except it smacks of working class rabble rousing)
Psychopaths are indeed a couple of percent of world population. It however seems VERY UNLIKELY that activists will be "nihilistic" as suggested.
Why would they be activists unless they had things to believe in???
As for religious nihilists …..nah, not usually.
I’ve followed this blog since it’s inception together with the other great Jersey blogs at the time like ‘Holiday in the Sun’ and ‘In Lenny We Trust’. I think this must be the first time I haven’t watched the accompanying video or read the comments. The reason is that from what I already know about this Robinson / Lennon character is, he’s a racist jerk IMO. I will watch the video as I trust Voice’s judgement and posts but I’ll do so only to see where yet again the BBC have violated their charter
ReplyDeleteThank you for approaching the subject with an open mind @13:02
DeleteYaxley-Lennon certainly has been a jerk on many occasions and his rallies can be quite cringeworthy. Politics meets football. Please no!
"Racist" and "Far Right" is the ongoing MSM narrative which mostly goes unchallenged but no one seems able to provide irrefutable evidence of these accusations. Is Yaxley-Lennon any more "racist" that the BBC staff?
If a left winger has concerns about mass immigration, or even thinks it should stop -does this make them "Far Right"?
Some of Yaxley-Lennon's past criminality is easily proven but some of it seems exaggerated. His recent *unlawful* imprisonment perhaps demonstrates this and should give us all cause for concern.
The BBC has indicated that the "Tommy Takedown" documentary is still going ahead but we will have to see if this is the case and indeed if they are able to come up with any new or damning evidence. If their documentary goes ahead it will need to be based on very watertight material or it will be treated with extreme scepticism, especially after the revelations in the Panodrama exposé.
Jerk or no-jerk, this is a major coup for Yaxley-Lennon. The only person who comes out of this well is the rather plucky Lucy Brown who stung John Sweeney and the BBC so comprehensively with nothing more than a smile and a buttonhole camera.
"Hope not Hate" also find themselves rather exposed.
Perhaps they should call themselves "Hope not Fake"
or even "Hope not Rape".....
Further damming evidence on BBC broadcasting FAKE NEWS.
ReplyDeleteSo what do you expect people to do, stop paying their licence fee?
ReplyDelete"stop paying their licence fee?"
DeleteI believe there were suggestions and instructions given on how to do this in the panodrama video
Regulators carrying out review of the BBC.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.tr.news/bbc-under-review-following-panodrama-release/
Like hin or loath him is this justice or just the establishment doing a Syvret style lock up ? They wonder why the guy gets millions of followers treated like this. What ever happened to free speech ?
https://www.tr.news/breaking-government-to-send-tommy-robinson-back-to-jail/
Free speech has boundaries.
DeleteIt does not mean you can be racist, homophobic, insulting or harass people unnecessary.
Quite right and hopefully John Sweeney/Panorama/BBC will be taken to task for it.
DeleteJohn Sweeney is not banned from Facebook and Twitter VFC.
DeleteAnd that’s where the problem lies. One rule for one..............
DeleteI have read material by Tommy Robinson and you must be blinkered to say it does not go over the line sometimes.
DeleteI have never said that Tommy Robinson does not go over any line. I know very little about him, although I have learned a lot more since the Panodrama expose. I am not condoning, or otherwise anything he has or hasn’t done.
DeleteThis is not about Tommy Robinson. It’s about fake news being passed of by John Sweeney/BBC/Panorama as fair, accurate and impartial “real” news. The homophobia, classism, elitism, underhanded tactics, blackmail and much more exposed in this documentary shows that the BBC/Sweeney/Panorama are willing to break every journalistic/moral code in the book in order to peddle fake news.
If Tommy Robinson is banned from Facebook etc then so should John Sweeney be, along with the BBC.
Are you condoning what John Sweeney did?
Absolutely correct VFC, I actally have little time for TR but the issue is far bigger than just him. People deserve better than fake news, he is correct. The other side of the coin is what are they afraid of by not publishing the truth ? Or what are they being paid, by whom and for what reasons ? Now it starts to make sense. Every crime ( saying it is true when it is a lie ) has a motive.
DeleteYeah, but No, But ……
DeleteWell said VFC @13:47
One also needs to compare TR's behaviour with the behaviour of the Islamic communities.
To quote VFC: "And that’s where the [another] problem lies. One rule for one.............."
Yeah, but No, But ……
DeleteP.S. Very well said at 13:55
Got told off once, I called my friend coloured without any malice or attitude in conversation. He responded with gusto and enthusiasm,
ReplyDeleteI am not coloured I am black, he said.
Forgoodness sake what does it matter I said then, and say now,
I am a colour but not brown, pink or purple another colour in fact Zzzzzzzzzzz.
Diane Abbot went OTT on this in the week.
DeleteI'm saddened to read this diversionary divisive stuff on VFC. I've been with this site from the very beginning, long enough to remember the great, brave work VFC has been doing for over a decade for people who'd been betrayed like me. I hope we're going to move on from this posting. I've been involved in this campaign closely enough to say people should by now give greater respect to what Stuart Syvret says. We know that he's been right in every major call he has made. That's a 100% record. This is what he wrote in an earlier comment.
ReplyDelete'Anyone - anyone - coming to us with a message of hate is - fundamentally - an enemy of the safety of children.'
Stuart Syvret is right again. Let's focus on the safety of children and not be divided.
What about the hatred of child abuse, the hatred of paedophiles, the hatred of grooming gangs?
DeleteHate is a strong motivating force and is healthy up to appoint. Hate can all too easily spread into violence and intimidation -this has been seen on the right but is currently more common on the far left. I do not support Tommy Robinson and nor does VFC, as he has made clear:
"I have never said that Tommy Robinson does not go over any line. I know very little about him, although I have learned a lot more since the Panodrama expose. I am not condoning, or otherwise anything he has or hasn’t done.
This is not about Tommy Robinson. It’s about fake news being passed of by John Sweeney/BBC/Panorama as fair, accurate and impartial “real” news. The homophobia, classism, elitism, underhanded tactics, blackmail and much more exposed in this documentary shows that the BBC/Sweeney/Panorama are willing to break every journalistic/moral code in the book in order to peddle fake news.
If Tommy Robinson is banned from Facebook etc then so should John Sweeney be, along with the BBC."
This 'panodrama' expose has now had about 1.5 million views. This and it's contents are not something to ignore or sweep under the carpet. The behaviour of the BBC is particularly pertinent to Jersey where the local BBC franchise was (amongst others) deeply involved in the non reporting of child abuse and after 2007 in the cover up and attacks on campaigners like Mr Syvret.
All the cutting and pasting in the world will not change the fact that all ideologies founded in hate are to be opposed with unrelenting vigour and dignity, and all those showing support for, or being apologist of such hate based ideologies, have to be exposed and challenged. Hope must win over Hate every time, no matter how long and how hard the fight; and the way that the victory is achieved is as important as the victory itself. When the proponents of Hate go low, the proponents of Hope must go high.
DeleteCo-sign.
DeleteStuart Syvret.
I too a am delighted to co-sign a preference for hope not hate. To be meaningful (and more importantly, sustainable) our intolerance of hate must be applied with equity to all individuals and communities. Anything else is a recipe for resentment.
DeleteWhere disrespect and hate are written into religious texts (for instance the Quranic guidance and instruction of the treatment of kafirs) it presents particular challenges. Hate does not stop being dangerous or become okay because it is religiously based. If anything it is more dangerous, particularly because it is "unchangeable" and therefore set for all time!
Fortunately at the moment most people take their religion with a pinch of salt. Their practicality and humanity exceeds their adherence to the instructions of their theological texts. A minority see the texts as absolute and attempt to live by them. We see this in fundamentalist variants of Christianity like the Amish. Critically these fundamentalist Christians rarely present a danger to others in modern times.
This is not the case with fundamentalist Islam. Islamic State was the manifestation of a literal interpretation of Islam. At the other end of the scale there are many modern Muslims who respect the beliefs and freedoms of others. A few have absolute respect and you could say, safely criticise the Quran or ware a T-shirt with a cartoon on it. These are secular Muslims and are in a minority.
The expression of liberal western values will engender various feelings and reactions of hate from Islamic communities on the various subject of gay rights, transgender rights, women's rights, and the rights of other minorities.
Islam is not a race or a colour but it can be said to be deeply 'racist' to not expect brown people to be capable of being held to the same standards as white people. Secular Muslim Maajid Nawaz describes this as "the Bigotry of Low Expectations" -that somehow Muslims or brown people are not capable of being held to the same standards!
Hope not Hate have a particular challenge in combatting these hateful attitudes because they have no real access to these communities. It is the preachers who l have the access and a good proportion of them hope for Sharia, complete with all it's hateful practices.
Some of these issues seem near unsurmountable. One of the human ways of dealing with unsurmountable issues is denial or ignore-ance in the hope they will somehow go away.
I have difficulty summoning sufficient hope. There are counter arguments but Tommy Robinson can certainly be described as a hateful figure but good part of his rise can be attributed to our tolerance of hate and illiberalism under cover of "the bigotry of low expectations".
I our expectations are right then they must be universal. No individuals or communities are entitled to a free pass.
Excellent post 21.21 thanks.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct the Jersey BBC wished not to be involved with any serious professional reporting of child abuse. Thank goodness we have VFC and other blogs who were fact based regardless of personalities or position.
Every news agency reports on historic child abuse, in fact the BBC over enthusiastically reported it with the Cliff Richard and ended up in serious trouble for it.
DeleteThat's right @08:55 "Every news agency reports on historic child abuse" *except* when it doesn't -e.g. the BBC's absolutely shameful cancellation of the Newsnight investigation into Jimmy Savile which was due for screening shortly after his death.
DeleteAnother commenter enquires about motives: "Absolutely correct VFC, I actually have little time for TR but the issue is far bigger than just him. People deserve better than fake news, he is correct. The other side of the coin is what are they afraid of by not publishing the truth ? Or what are they being paid, by whom and for what reasons ? Now it starts to make sense. Every crime (saying it is true when it is a lie) has a motive."
Speaking of motives @08:55; why do you say "historic child abuse"?
For crimes after say 1900, would you say "historic murder", "historic robbery", "historic rape", "historic GBH" …….?
Today at the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) Lord Steel has admitted under oath that Cyril Smith confessed to him in 1979 that the child abuse allegations against him were true. Steel admitted he still did nothing about it, and made no effort to investigate whether Smith posed any continuing risk to children.
ReplyDelete
DeleteApologies for any disrespect.
I should have said SIR Cyril Smith
As in Sir Jimy Savile
or Sir Philip Bellyache
Honours on bestowed on behalf of a grateful people...…..
"Lord Steel has admitted under oath that Cyril Smith confessed to him in 1979 that the child abuse allegations against him were true."
DeleteYou heard it here first !
Yet on Newsnight last year "Lord " Steel described the allegations as “tittle tattle”
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/4UZ1BH8QRrc
David Steel, law graduate, Ex leader of the Liberal Party and Liberal Democrats, Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament (1999–2003) …..has sat on Her Majesty's Privy Council since 1977
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_British_Privy_Council
The Privy Council is the highest court of appeal for JERSEY and many other British territories.
Lord Steel appears to be a proven liar with little regard for the safety of children.
He stated to the nation that the allegations against Cyril Smith were "scurrilous hearsay" when in fact he had first hand knowledge. Children were left at risk because of this man's inaction.
So PPC have yet again failed to do anything about the lack of separation powers.
ReplyDeleteCredit to Sam Mézec for bringing a proposition:
http://sammezec.blogspot.com/2019/03/senator-mezec-lodges-proposition-to-end.html
It is a start.
Whatever happened to the hoped for former Deputy Pitman interview this blog mentioned? This must be getting on for a year ago now.
ReplyDeleteWould be good to hear from him again. Jersey politics have never needed a political Pitball so much as now. Its just yawn inducing these days.
DeleteI have it on good authority that former Deputy Trevor Pitman will be Blogging again soon. Will keep readers posted.
DeleteFor real? Having Trevor Pitman back on line would be the next best thing to having him back where he belongs in the States Echo-Chamber. Didn't know him personally but voted for him in 2008 and 2011 and would again. Haven't seen him around for yonks so didn't even know he was in the island. A little bit of good news if you are correct.
DeleteTold he has not been in Jersey for a long while. Would welcome him back too though. We should not kid ourselves. It will take a lot more than one person to change things for the better here. The rot runs deep.
DeleteMaajid Nawaz's take on the Christchurch atrocities:
ReplyDeletewww.youtube.com/watch?v=bRQchLbfIq0
See that barking pretend minister Susie Pinel "welcoming" a loaded Fiscal Policy Panel call for more austerity. How does this woman keep getting jobs where she is totally out of her depth? A disaster at Social Security and now showing to be even worse than McClod and Ozone at the Treasury. But keep squeezing Deputy. Eventually even the molly coddled rich and OAP middle earners who have kept you elected will be clamouring for the return of proper politicians like Pitman mentioned above. How bright to you need to be to realise there is only so much juice in a lemon before the pips pop out? Or you need help with your zip!
ReplyDeleteSuzi will never get it. Lives on another planet.
DeleteCan't argue with that assessment. Hopeless and even worse, uncaring about who her policies hurt.
DeleteA few said the same when she was in charge of SS but Judy Martin hasn't changed anything since taking over.
DeleteAgree. Martin is one of THEM now for sure. Though to be fair who isn't? Reform have disappeared as a holding to account opposition, though credit to Mezec for his Bailiff move. As a reader said a few days ago politics here in Jersey is absolutely dire now.
DeleteReform never held anybody to account. Questions were never fully answered or deflected.
DeleteIt's a club and if you cannot beat it you have to bite your lip and join it.
Can I just say that I have always wanted to post the 100th comment?
ReplyDeleteNo! That would be indulgent,
DeleteGreat work VFC, as per usual. The link below is probably another phenomenon that the good people of Jersey will never have experienced! Even "Uncle Lenny" gets a mention here :-)
ReplyDeletehttps://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2019/03/jon-wedger-cop-that-took-responsibility.html
Brilliant to have Mr Evans back on this blog. Much missed here on Devil's Island.
DeleteComment off a previous blog:
Delete"It is a cause of great regret that Ian blights his blog with outlandish conspiracy theory ("chemtrails" etc.) because the gems get lost amongst it or dismissed as equal fantasy."
Such a shame. I don't believe that Ian's latest offering does anything for any of the real causes he associated himself with:
https://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2019/03/mosque-shootings-in-christchurch.html
"Below, Max Igan gives a very reasoned and logical account of the Christchurch Mosque Shooting(s) and the possible aftermath for the people of the world.
It's time to wake up to the (NWO) New World Order deceptions folks!
There is another interesting link at the Aangirfan website....
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-attacks-false-flag.html "
Sorry Ian -looks unlikely. I tried to watch the video -
false flag attack ....."not just about removing gun rights from the people of NZ"
but after 6 minutes of the guy saying absolutely nothing I decided I had better things to do
Yes, Yes, …...I am an establishment spook. Yawn
P.S. If anyone had the patience to watch all the hour long video please feel free to post the time segments worth watching.
Is there any credible evidence that the Christchurch atrocity was anything other than the murder of innocent people by Brenton Tarrant?
Can't you comment directly onto his Blog?
DeleteI agree. I think that both of you could have an interesting debate with each other about Ian’s blog on Ian’s blog ... but not on here please.
DeleteBBC insider explains the motivation and the day to day functioning of BBC reporting and misreporting:
ReplyDeletewww.youtube.com/watch?v=aucDmK5E4bU&feature=youtu.be&t=52
Robin Aitken discusses his new book: The Noble Liar: How and Why the BBC Distorts the News to Promote a Liberal Agenda.
[PC Agenda would be more accurate. Misreporting is illiberal BTW]
Carl Benjamin's first interview with Yaxley Lennon:
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/l72m8heICBk
"debunks a bunch of false narratives"
ReplyDelete"Sa Ra Garvey meets Tommy Robinson #theblackopinion"
https://youtu.be/f7yeJmy4E2c
Read this?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/childrens-commissioner-faces-severe-investigation-blocks/#.XJjpLCj7TIU
DeleteThank you for highlighting that @14:45
Good God !
This is so deeply worrying that the deaf and dumb or congenitally stupid can't hear the "I told you so" echoes of Syvret and Advocate Sinel's assertion in his CoI statement:
"In no way do I believe that anything has changed or will change; all of the harm will be perpetrated again one way or another as we as an Island have been abandoned by its monarch and a feudal power structure which favours abusers."
This definitely warrants a cut and paste of a few highlights and lowlights.....
Mrs McMillan says the Children's Minister [ Sam Mézec !!!] has put forward an “entirely different version” of her instructions which is due to be voted on by the States Assembly.
DeleteUnder its current formulation, the law would allow Mrs McMillan the ability to request information in line with the Freedom of Information Law, which limits the release of ‘personal information’.
It also means that any information released to her could be viewed and altered by the government’s Communications team if deemed to pose a reputational risk, as Express revealed last week.
“This Law as lodged in effect limits the extent of the obligation on relevant authorities to disclose information to the Children’s Commissioner,” she wrote.
...She added that the draft law “fails to deliver” on obligations imposed on the government in the wake of the damning Care Inquiry, which uncovered years of systemic abuse [but bizarrely NO COVER-UP !??] in island institutions, subsequently calling for “greater transparency and greater openness in communication… in order to tackle the perception of cover-up”...…
Source:
www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/childrens-commissioner-faces-severe-investigation-blocks/#.XJjpLCj7TIU
This is entirely par for the curse in the behaviour of the establishment "putting child abuse front and centre" …..or whatever the glib (Communications Team?) soundbite was...… but Sam Mézec may wish to explain his apparent part in this attempted 'emasculation' of the Children’s Commissioner
DeleteBTW, is this the first peek we have had from her?
What a laugh.
DeleteSo what's the point of having a Children Commissioner if her advice is ignored by the Children's Minister?
It says she will have as much power as a Lay Person!!!!
Senator Sam Mezec, answers please and quick!!!
Family Nursing and Home Care (FNHC) have not covered themselves in glory. Along with the politicians, they have to take their share of the blame for the family X tragedy ( both a child protection tragedy and a £100 million plus financial tragedy)
Deletewww.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/childrens-commissioner-faces-severe-investigation-blocks/#.XJjpLCj7TIU
also states:
"Family Nursing and Home Care (FNHC), meanwhile, were in favour of the current proposals for the law underpinning the Children’s Commissioner’s role.
Adding that they already able to provide safeguarding information on request, the group, which is contracted to deliver significant child and family services on behalf of the Government of Jersey, said that the Commissioner’s ability to request information under the draft law was sufficient."
So, to repeat, the law as drafted gives the highly expensive Children’s Commissioner NO MORE POWER THAN AN NORMAL MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO ACESS CHILD PROTECTION INFORMATION.
FNHC management think that this is okay because they can act as gatekeepers to provide [or not] information the Children’s Commissioner needs.
Correct me if I am wrong but my recollection is that the head of FNHC is effectively a political appointee and therefore a political animal at a largely government funded charity.
Am I being unfair? - please help us out here.
On the Committee of FNHC is Advocate Chris Renouf who was a partner of Ogier from 1982 - could this be af any significance or lead to any conflicts?
Why are people so surprised.
DeleteAs soon as Reform Jersey joined the Establishment it was bound to happen.
@17:54
DeleteSyvret was in government for years (Health Minister etc.) and he never sold out.
Remember this? LINK
DeleteAnd you still think Reform Jersey are part of the Establishment?
The BBC have just made an announcement.
ReplyDeleteApparently they made a mistake regarding yesterday’s march in London. They have now been told it was a March arranged by Tommy Robinson and they wish to amend the count for people attending to '14' and not the 1,000,000 as originally reported.
Yeah. And they was shouting Hail Hitler and beating up brown people!
DeleteEXTRACTS AND YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP-
ReplyDelete"Charities and human rights experts have blasted Jersey’s government for drafting a law that “falls well short” of international standards by severely restricting the Children’s Commissioner’s ability to investigate children’s welfare issues."
"the law as drafted will Children’s Commissioner with no more power to probe government and non-government bodies over their care for children than a lay person."
"She was involved in the drafting process of the law, specific instructions had been given to ensure she is given legal entitlement to any documents or information she requires to fulfil her duties – including, potentially, sensitive personal information. - the Minister for Children then lodged an “entirely different version” of this rule"
"the draft law “fails to deliver” on obligations imposed on the government in the wake of the damning Care Inquiry, which uncovered years of systemic abuse in island institutions, subsequently calling for “greater transparency and greater openness in communication… in order to tackle the perception of cover-up”."
" if the law were to pass as drafted, it would be “likely to draw adverse comment” from the UN, Council of Europe and other international institutions."
IT GOES ON AND ON, DISGRACEFUL AND A KICK IN THE FACE FOR ALL SURVIVORS SENATOR MEZEC.
I see two possibilities
Delete1. People with strongly held ideological politics will trade anything in return for the perceived advancement of that politics.
2. Senator Mezec never grew out of short pants and has been played by the establishment at every turn. -The referendum -Andrew Lewis -child protection.
Maybe both 1 and 2. A kinder, gentler form of politics does not have to be kinder and gentler on children - Corbyn literally walked away from the kids of Islington!
We look forward to Mezec's explanation of how the Children’s Commissioner got it wrong and he got it right.
Serious question.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the likelihood of Deborah McMillan still being Children's Commissioner by the end of the Year?
Watch the knives come out, she has spoken out and will now pay the consequences.
The pledge to put children first is simply empty rhetoric.
ReplyDeleteYou must have mis-heard @21:02
DeleteThey pledged to put child abuse first.
Deborah McMillan has just signed her own death warrant.
ReplyDeleteThey will get rid of her, make some excuse, golden handshake maybe, just not needed anymore.
See in the news that Les Chenne residents are being given the run around as well.
Its all back to square one.
I have just submitted the following question direct to Sam's blog.
ReplyDeleteSam,
I note with some concern that you did not publish my comment of 15 March 2019 which contained extracts from Advocate Sinel's sworn statement to the CoI. An explanation of that can wait as a rather more urgent matter has arisen.
Please see:
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2019/02/panodrama-expose-of-fake-news-bbc.html
A reader on VFC's above site highlights the following:
www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/childrens-commissioner-faces-severe-investigation-blocks/#.XJjpLCj7TIU
"Mrs McMillan says the Children's Minister has put forward an “entirely different version” of her instructions which is due to be voted on by the States Assembly.
Under its current formulation, the law would allow Mrs McMillan the ability to request information in line with the Freedom of Information Law, which limits the release of ‘personal information’.
It also means that any information released to her could be viewed and altered by the government’s Communications team if deemed to pose a reputational risk, as Express revealed last week.
This Law as lodged in effect limits the extent of the obligation on relevant authorities to disclose information to the Children’s Commissioner,.
….. the draft law “fails to deliver” on obligations imposed on the government in the wake of the damning Care Inquiry, which uncovered years of systemic abuse in island institutions, subsequently calling for “greater transparency and greater openness in communication… in order to tackle the perception of cover-up”
….Bruce Adamson, Scotland’s Children’s Commissioner, who, like other UK commissioners, is able to require “any person” to produce documents relevant to an investigation, described the law as leaving Mrs McMillan “with no more power to seek and receive information from public bodies than the average man or woman in the street”.
=========================
Please comment ASAP here or on VFC blog (if too off topic):
Is the bailiwickexpress reporting accurate?
As Children's Minister have you put forward an “entirely different version” of Children’s Commissioner's instructions?
……….And if so -Why?
I asked a similar shorter question on his blog yesterday afternoon and he has not posted it.
DeleteThe Bailiwick Express is hardly going to run a story with so much detail and then get it wrong, and he cannot blame any PR States people this time.
I kind of think some of the opinions on Facebook about this story will be more of a concern to Sam Mezec.
DeleteThey are suggesting the Commissioner of Children is in name only. The pledge to put children first is a lie and coupled with School strikes today there are many unhappy Parents.
What did I say about five or six years ago? "Mezec is a Bailhache in nappies".
ReplyDeleteA left wing Bailhache…….hmmm ?
DeleteMézec has a history of being played. It is also possible that he has been ingested and digested by Jersey's abusive establishment.
Did Sam present the draft law himself?
I think it is important to hear what he has to say on the matter before leaping to any conclusions.
If it was inaccurate he would have been shouting his head ff on Social Media by now.
DeleteNot even a comment from Reform Jersey either.
Have e-mailed Sam asking him to respond to the comments/questions. Hopefully he will soon.
ReplyDeleteGets even better!
ReplyDelete"The Bailiff has suggested that it be made law that no changes be made to his role for at least 10 years"
https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/bailiff-calls-10-year-halt-debate-over-assembly-speaker-role/#.XJntFZj7TIU
I don't know what the biggest crime is here. The fact that the Bailiff proclaims to be neutral, not interfere with the political process, and then writes to politicians to get them to produce legislation in order to safeguard his role! Or that the "journalist" churns that gumph out and doesn't mention (let alone question) the blatant contradiction.
DeleteI am not often speechless but...….
DeleteIt is interesting to note that Bailhache has suggested 10 years, the same length of time as the prescription period at law. I suspect that this has been done on purpose as the Bailiff filters the propositions that are put forward in the States under the standing orders, thereby maintaining a political environment that is favourable to the suppression of crimes committed by Bailhache and his associates until such time as they are able to avoid the consequences of them by efluxion of time.
DeleteFFS.
ReplyDeleteAt this rate they will be re-opening HDLG as a children's home.
Unfortunately Bailiwick Express did not contact me before producing their article, otherwise I would have had a chance to put my position forward, which would have saved a lot of concern here.
ReplyDeleteFirst things first, I have an excellent relationship with the Children's Commissioner and we have worked closely in the run up to producing this law. I share the concerns she has raised about Article 8.
As she states in her letter, earlier drafts of the law did include a much stronger article to define her powers of investigation. It was at the point of the draft law being shared with others to have their say that’s things were changed. Some of those changes were improvements (in my view), but some of them were not.
The law was not singlehandedly approved by me, but by the whole Council of Ministers.
I ensured that the Scrutiny panel was given early drafts of the law so they could track changes that were made. They spotted the change to Article 8 and are reviewing it.
When the law is proposed later today, Scrutiny will call it in and delay it until 30th April, during which time they will be able to bring amendments in line with what the Commissioner and others have suggested. So it will be down to the whole Assembly to decide, not just the Council of Ministers.
I will support anything that enhances her powers.
DeleteSam,
Thank you for that initial explanation.
Is the full text of the Children's Commissioner's letter available anywhere please?
The Bailiwick Express said: 'Mrs McMillan says the Children's Minister has put forward an "entirely different version” of her instructions which is due to be voted on by the States Assembly'
Is this mis-reporting by the BE?
In spite of your "excellent relationship with the Children's Commissioner" and "[close work] in the run up to producing this law" does appear to be laying this Council-of-Sinisters failure at your door.
Are you able to provide further explanation?
Thank you.
'The law was not singlehandedly approved by me, but by the whole Council of Ministers.'
DeleteWith all due respect you are Minister of Children.
I cannot be the only person who keeps on seeing a passing of responsibility or blame. Eitehr the Media or other collective States Members.
If you are saying that the COM are actually running the show and you cannot control that, then what is the point of you being in this Ministry?
Children's Commission letter
ReplyDeleteThe Bailiwick Express article says the Commissioner referred to the "Children's Minister" for putting a different version of the law forward, but actually if you read the letter you'll see she made no reference to me at all. She only mentions the whole Council of Ministers, as it was the whole Council and not specifically me that did this. She knows my position is that she ought to have stronger powers.
Think Anon 17:13 raises a point.
DeleteYou are always blaming others or passing the buck.
Can you start taking full responsibility for your Ministry please.
Sam you have turned into the same as the rest of them. It's the MSM's fault, it's other States Members fault or I did know anything about it. Come on.
DeleteDidn't VFC raise this as a repetitive problem last year in that States Members refused to take failings on the chin or continually passed it onto somebody else?
Who is accountable?
DeleteSam,
Thank you for the information and the link to the letter.
"it was the whole Council and not specifically me that did this" [your honour]
Fair enough. That sounds like an admission of joint responsibility. It is an understatement to say that this reflects poorly on the entire council of ministers ….and the primary focus will rightly be on yourself as supposedly the Minister for Children.
I was hoping to hear an explanation along the lines of: " I insisted that this important child protection legislation was made and maintained FIT FOR PURPOSE. This was the case until I saw the version (which was lodged by [insert name]) in which the functional parts had literally fallen off the page (perhaps due to a "clerical error" as was the case with Bob Hill's vital but omitted ToR to the Napier review!). On seeing the gerrymandered version, I immediately did ….A, ......B and maybe ….C and furthermore demanded an explanation and heads on plates as the lodging of this law would make my position as Children's Minister untenable!!!!
Please tell us that this (or something like it) is what happened.
Children in Jersey are still in danger and they need a Champion in their Ministry not an Amoeba
……..someone with commitment, competence and backbone. If you are up to the job hen we are right behind you.
(and maybe sometimes in front)
DeleteSam,
Further to my previous comment.
Environments can be challenging and we have to accept that people make mistakes.
There could be other acceptable explanations. eg:
"I was out manoeuvred and I am sorry. I will not take my eye off the ball in future. I have investigated the law drafting gerrymandering as far as I am able and the guilty individuals and organisations are …... , …… & ……."
You will notice from other comments that readers are not impressed with the level of explanation provided so far.
Very weak excuse SM ... you lodged the proposition
DeleteIf Mezec lodged the proposition then the bailiwick express reporting appears accurate
DeleteWTF Sam ?
Sam stop pretending you are none the wiser at to what's going on.
DeleteWe've have decades of this from Politicians already.
“She knows my position is that she ought to have stronger powers”.
DeleteBut still some argue against someone who is actually on the same side as them.
ReplyDeleteDRAFT COMMISSIONER FOR CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE (JERSEY) LAW 201-
Lodged au Greffe on 12th February 2019 by the Minister for Children and Housing
The debate on the first reading (the “principles”) took place this afternoon and the States adopted it overwhelmingly, but with the caveat of some members expressing concerns about the lack of powers in Article 8.
ReplyDeleteThe Care of Children in Jersey Scrutiny Panel then called the law in for review, and stated that they will now consider what amendments they will bring to enhance her powers for the next States sitting.
This is what I said would happen, and now safely puts us on the path to a better law.
Everyone’s a winner.
Of course no one in their right mind would propose something like article 8 of this law in the knowledge that it was so misguided ... would they?
ReplyDelete
DeleteIf I understand SM correctly he maintains that he lodged this law in the knowledge that it had been rendered unfit for purpose ……with the "cunning plan" [apologies to Baldrick] that others would correct the gerrymandered bits before it came into force.
Those who accept this might consider this to be a high risk strategy when dealing with the "dark side" in Jersey. -Literally gambling with the future protection of children and with the massive budgets associated.
Sam assures us that this "now safely puts us on the path to a better law".
Let's hope that the 'force is strong in this one' and that he has a light sabre stuffed down his pants.
What could possibly go wrong?
Was there no other way of achieving a "better law"?
The only silver ling I can see in this deeply worrying situation is that more of *todays* dark side has shown itself.
Who gerrymandered the law Sam?
Who in the COM was pushing for another "fig leaf" in lieu of actual child protection?
Senator Sam Mezec is just a spokesperson for the office of the Children's Minister that is ultimately controlled by the Council of Ministers.
ReplyDeleteWhy create the new role of children's Minister, on the back of a £24.000.000.00 spend of public money into the public inquiry that found that child abuse was prevalent, and apparently things are still not right in that department today, and then remove his authority to serve that office. What Mr Mezec should do, at the expense of his latest recording contract with Sam and the Dreamers, is to tell them, let me run the office or I will resign.
ReplyDeleteWhile we are waiting for Children's Minister Mézec to name names or explain his Jedi plan, we can briefly(?) get back on topic with some ….errr ..."light relief".
In the words of another senior BBC staffer the BBC/MSM have now reached "Peak Wank":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuPpygDeH5Y
The full interview can be viewed here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzJh3py3fJE
We’re going from having no Children’s Commissioner, to have a really good one who is about to get a very robust law to under pin her powers, for the first time in history, and she won’t be able to be sacked by a ‘here today gone tomorrow’ government just for saying things which are politically inconvenient.
ReplyDeleteAnd those who have made it happen are still the enemy.
Go figure.
DeleteIf "Go figure" is really your response to reasonable questions some of your electorate might respond with "Go f*** yourself".
I however would persist in giving you the opportunity to more fully explain how this bizarre and deeply concerning situation came about.
So Sam?...….
"Go figure" is exactly what we are trying to do which is why I am asking (again):
-Who gerrymandered the law Sam?
-Who in the COM was pushing for another "fig leaf" in lieu of actual child protection?
"We’re going from having no Children’s Commissioner, to have a really good one who is about to get a very robust law to under pin her powers, for the first time in history, and she won’t be able to be sacked by a ‘here today gone tomorrow’ government just for saying things which are politically inconvenient."
I hope you are right Sam and that your still mysterious …..but fiendishly cunning plan of lodging a broken law has this effect.
Past experience with a protracted denials of abuse followed by decades and then an unfit for purpose CoI that "it is not over until the fat transvestite sings".
Even if your "cunning plan" does achieve the result we all hope for the war is not won. Even the caped Children’s Commissioner is not safe in Jersey while the "Dark Side" still holds sway -as it clearly does.
(Who & How, Sam?)
Any law is useless without the *Rule Of Law*
........as previous Police Chief, Deputy Police Chief, Taxpayers and Health Ministers have found out to their cost...…
Just because you are not the enemy does not mean that you are a true friend.
Sorry to press you on these things but they are important.
Readers probably got the gist but to clarify typo/improve :
DeletePast experience teaches us with protracted denials of abuse ..followed by decades of delay …..and an unfit for purpose CoI that "it is not over until the fat transvestite sings".
Some commentators on this blog will seemingly not be satisfied until Philip Bailhache and David Minty are dragged through the streets of St. Helier by their balls and summarily hanged from the statue of King George II in the Royal Square.
DeleteThere is not going to be a Pol Potist purge of everyone involved with the child abuse scandal anytime soon - doesn't exactly take a political mastermind to figure that out. Sam and others are doing their best to ensure that the children in Jersey's care system don't go through the same horrors as previous generations.
Criticism is, of course, valid, but this is spurious nitpicking, not constructive criticism.
I've heard there is a witch hunt out for Monty and he's been suspended as Assistant Minister because he blew the whistle. Nothing changes #TheJerseyWay
ReplyDeleteblew the whistle on what?
DeleteIt was reported a few hours ago.
DeleteHe tried to order the sacking of an employee.
This is an unusual one because according to the Reform Jersey Articles a Member who puts the Party into disrepute will have their membership revoked.
DeleteIts been raised on twitter already this afternoon and the MSM will probably chase up on it.
Deputy Montford Tadier has been suspended after he sent an email to fellow States Members asking them to back a proposition to have a Government employee sacked.
DeleteThe Assistant Minister copied the named employee into this email which is in breach of the Ministerial Code of Conduct.
The suspension will take effect immediately and will last until the end of the States sitting of the week beginning 20 May 2019.
Chief Sinister,John Le Fondleboy states:
"This action is wholly inappropriate and is clearly harmful to the individual named. It is an action that in unworthy of a Minister, Assistant Minister or indeed any Member of the Assembly.
The Minister for Economic Development, Tourism, Sport and Culture and I met with Deputy Tadier at 10.15 today, and informed him that, given the severity of the matter, we decided to suspend him as an Assistant Minister with immediate effect, and to request him to retract his comments and to apologise unreservedly.
The Assistant Minister’s suspension took effect immediately and will remain in place until the end of the States sitting of the week beginning 20 May 2019.
We have informed the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee of the States Assembly, and the Chairman of Reform Jersey."
Perhaps Monty just 'blew the whistle' on time being up for Jersey democracy? Even allowing for the Jersey equivilent of 'Fergie time' - Bailhache time' - the end has to come some time.
DeleteLot of fuss about nothing. I'm sure I recall a former Deputy suggesting the whole Council of Ministers surely shared a bong each meeting so bizarre were so many of their decisions.
DeleteNot been a great week for Reform Jersey.
ReplyDeleteKicked off with the Children's Commissioner complaining about her powers.
Then they lost the Southern proposition to get money from the States current account for Teachers pay and today they have Monty suspended from his assistant Ministry.
3 blows in 7 days.
3 blows in 7 days.
DeleteI wish.......
DeleteI don't know, things may be looking up for RJ with the suspension of Montford Tadier as assistant minister.
What are Monty's grounds for requiring a government employee sacked ?
It could be that he (and hence RJ) are actually doing their job?
"It could be that he (and hence RJ) are actually doing their job?"
DeleteAccording to the news his actions could be regarded as constructive dismissal therefore leaving the States open to be sued. It is not good.
DeleteThe question is -that we will need to wait for an answer on …
….did Monty rashly jump the gun or was he left with no other productive option after Government or Civil Service (or even Police!) inaction?
Syvret did something similar in an courageous effort to protect the lives of vulnerable constituents. Lives were left at risk and are to this day.
Tadier is considerably more experienced than the Boy Mézec and we will have to wait for the truth to out. In the meantime everything else is empty crowing -perhaps from you-know-who and his Paedo-Trolling ilk.
The failure of government and the rule of law leaves both children and adults at risk.
If you have other information, please feel free to post it.
Step back for a minute. This is what happens when you have a loose cannon.
DeleteIf he had a problem he should have addressed it in the right manner and through the right channels. But when you are egotistic and you think you are immune and can do things the way you wish to then this is the result.
The employee he involved now, quite rightly has grounds for constructive dismisal should they wish. Potentially costing the states a small fortune. Regardless of the reasons why. This is constructive dismissal.
JLF for once has acted decisively.
In the private sector MT would be dismissed, its the only outcome possible to stop further action.
This is the challenge you have when you put people not capable or without the experience in to a job and then their ego takes over. He should be gone from the States totally in a very short period of time. You can not support this type of action regardless of the reasons.
As far as I understand it, the employee was copied into the e-mail. Deputy Tadier did nothing other than voice his opinion to the employee and a couple of politicians.
DeleteSo you think his e-mail is acceptable?
DeleteHaving an opinion, and voicing that opinion to the person you have that opinion about (without hiding behind an anonymous profile), used to be the "acceptable" thing to do.
DeleteApparently Montfort Tadier's email was about the medical profession's refusal to prescribe medicinal cannabis.
DeleteFrom what little I know I think it is very unlikely that anyone is going to get sacked from their employment unless there is a real issue of clinical competence (again unlikely with the vagaries of medicinal cannabis).
If there is no dismissal there is no "constructive dismissal" and probably no real consequences (good or bad) to anyone other than Monty.
There may be a prejudice against medicinal cannabis because of it's recreational use and the potential welfare of youngsters and their mental development. Medicinal cannabis is appears a fringe area judging from the MHS site:
www.nhs.uk/conditions/medical-cannabis/
"...…..
Very few people in England are likely to get a prescription for medical cannabis.
Currently, it is only likely to be prescribed for the following conditions:
-children and adults with rare, severe forms of epilepsy
-adults with vomiting or nausea caused by chemotherapy
And it would only be considered when other treatments weren't suitable or hadn't helped.
…….
Long-term pain
There is some evidence medical cannabis can help certain types of pain, though this evidence is not yet strong enough to recommend it for pain relief.
……..
The main risks of THC cannabis products are:
-psychosis – there is evidence that regular cannabis use increases your risk of developing a psychotic illness such as schizophrenia
-dependency on the medicine – although scientists believe this risk is probably small when its use is controlled and monitored by a specialist doctor
………
After taking medical cannabis, it's possible to develop any of the following side effects:
decreased appetite
diarrhoea
feeling sick
greater weakness
a behavioural or mood change
dizziness
feeling very tired
feeling high
hallucinations
suicidal thoughts
…….."
Monty may have specific patients in mind, for whom cannabis is known or claimed to benefit. How do they know? ;-)
I don't know the precise contents of Monty's email but pressurising medical professionals into a particular treatment may not be the way to go.
“3 blows in 7 days” ... and each one of them self inflicted.
ReplyDeleteYou have not been blown once in the last 7 days
Delete
Delete21:00 claims that RJ's "3 blows" are "self inflicted"
This seems unlikely ……..
………. they are socialists not contortionists :-o
Then again Sam does seem to have demonstrated excessive "flexibility" ….and possibly even total lack of spine in being tricked(?) into proposing the gerrymandered Children's Commissioner's Law!
DeleteLet's hope that Mézec's "cunning plan" works.
In Jersey the Dark Side's plans usually win the day ..and the year ...and the decade ….. Evil plans sometimes cunningly wrapped in fakery but usually being sickeningly transparent.
Gutless or naïve States Members bending to their will leaves the whole population at risk.
Apparently Monty retracted the e-mail and has apologised profusely.
DeleteGood man.
How very "flexible" of him.
DeleteEmails cannot be retracted -when they are gone, they are gone.
We look forward to discovering the circumstances that would lead an elected representative and Assistant Minister to call for the dismissal of a "Government employee".
Will they really be able to keep it under wraps :-?
Getting closer to topic
ReplyDeleteYaxley Lennon co-authored a book on Islam and Mohammed's Quran. His co-author had previously researched and written a book on the Islamic grooming gangs in the UK
I expect howls of indignation from VFC's more 'sensitive' readers (for various reasons) but the below extract from "The River War" similarly contains both informed observations and chilling prophecies -all wrapped in the language of the 1890's:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia [rabies] in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of SLAVERY until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
For those who do not know the above extract "How dreadful are the curses ….." form the 1899 book "The River War" was written by none other than Winston Churchill.
DeleteAnyways an update:
Mr Yaxley Lennon who's conviction for contempt was quashed on account of "structural unfairness" and other issues …...had just had a retrial and will be sentenced tomorrow. Here is his account of the bizarre situation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=agM7yqdOrK4&bpctr=1562795088