We are pleased to have our old friend "Lord Reg" back to join us in this special Guest Posting:
"A vacancy for Jurat has arisen and there is a rumour that it will be a contested election - possibly with a candidate being fielded by the loony left. This would be highly irregular as preferred candidates are normally the domaine of the righteous right.
Readers will be relieved to know that the law specifically states that women and non-anglicans can hold the esteemed office. Very progressive!
'Qualifications for the office of Jurat
(2) For the avoidance of doubt, it is hereby declared that –
(a) a person, by reason of the fact that the person is not a member of the Established Church, shall not be disqualified for being appointed Jurat;
(b) a woman, by reason of her sex or marriage, shall not be disqualified for being appointed Jurat. '
The full 1948 Royal Court (Jersey) Law can be found HERE. It makes for verY interesting reading.
We wish both (or all candidates) the very best of luck! We will be watching with interest...
All well and good, but the 1948 law does not say whether candidates are still eligible if they are both a woman AND a non-Anglican.
ReplyDeleteI think I'll have to lodge a written question to the Attorney General to clear this up, otherwise we may end up with riffraff thinking it's appropriate to stand!
What? Women can be Jurats?
DeleteThat's an outrage!!!!!!!
Forthwith the law must be corrected to protect our cherished traditions and our way of life
Hmmmm ......On reflection we must also include a clause disqualifying anyone with LONG HAIR (Honestly, I ask you. One might think that Deputy Mézec lacks the level headed brain of a Jersey-man with those becoming locks & curls. Perhaps a hair cut could help him think like us Jersey lawyers)
For the avoidance of doubt .......Established families with the congenital long hair on the palms of their hands would of course not be disqualified as this is a sign of quality in-breeding.
A great piece of satire with a serious message which demonstrates the diversity of this blog. If there is an election for Jurat I nominate Stuart Syvret or Trevor Pitman.
ReplyDeleteYes! Bl*&^% good idea lol
DeleteStuart Syvret and Trevor Pitman would both be excellent candidates. of course they sadly would have no chance as they both believe in justice and would both both be unwilling to look the other way on evidence like that disregarded in the Victoria College abuse scandal.
DeleteBound to be one of the Old Boys netwrok again. But on the plus side at least Jimmy Savile is dead beca use with his 'interests' and time spent in Jersey he would be an Establishment shoe-in for the vacancy. I would even wager that the elder of the two Doug and Dinsdale Piranah-Bayleaf brothers would propse him!
Just a few quick comments on a first reading of the Jurat's oath.
ReplyDeleteReine de la Grande Bretagne, de l’Irlande et des Dominions Britanniques d’outre mer
I don't think we in the south of Ireland would be very impressed with our inclusion here.
[vous] soutiendrez l’honneur et gloire de Dieu, et de sa pure et sacrée parole
Does this mean that non believers, or those other than Christians, cannot become Jurats?
[vous] ferez punir et châtier tous Traîtres, Meurtriers, Larrons, Blasphémateurs du sacré Nom de Dieu,Yvrognes et autres personnes scandaleuses, chacun selon son démérite
At least Jon is unlikely to turn up on the Jurat's bench in the near future, however much he may see himself as well in with the establishment.
[vous] garderez et ferez garder le droit des Veuves, Orphélins, Etrangers et autres personnes indéfendue
Protecting orphans and vulnerable people: well, well.
vous opposant à tous séditieux, à ce que la force demeure au Roi et à sa Justice
I wonder which King they have in mind here? Richard III?
[vous] conformerez au meilleur et plus sain avis de Monsieur le Bailly
And do what the bloody Bailiff tells you. Well, that's that then.
Thanks for posting this. I hadn't scrolled down to see this when I checked the 1948 law earlier, but this is absolutely barking mad!
DeleteEven the oath of office for Constables has been amended to get rid of the reference to their duty to stop prostitutes...
I'm afraid you people again display your ignorance in failing to understand the most rudimentary facts surrounding the subject you lampoon. If one had the education requisite to embark upon disquisitions on this noble Office one would have been cognisant of the actuality that Jurats never speak in public (apart from when announcing the results of their general-election-rigging to the plebs once every four years, naturally, but that scarcely counts) thus, a need to feign a 'working-class accent' does not arise as a requirement of Office.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, a need to speak in private empanelment consideration of a verdict is hardly relevant either, for as explained by Commissioner Sir Geoffrey NIce QC in his lecture of 8th May 2013, in spite of what is publicly understood to be the role of a Jurat in respect of 'fact-finding', the practical function is simply to do what the Commissioner tells the Jurats to do. That system of 'palm-tree-justice' has worked perfectly well in Jersey for centuries and only a barbarian anarchist rabble could possibly suggest otherwise.
The very notion of proposing terrorists such as Syvret or Pitman for such a vital high Office is a threat to all that Jersey loves, means, and holds dear. What we need are further candidates who can expect to follow in the exemplary footsteps of Jurat John Le Breton - a man who knew that child-abuse was damaging to the community so it had to be covered-up - and who had the instinctive 'understanding' that a chap has - that a chap just 'understands' what is 'expected of a chap' - if a fellow 'knows what's good for one'.
And insofar as you mock our unicorn-bone dice, one need only consider how marvellously such ancient tradition has served our community. Bailiffs Philip Bailhache, Michael Birt and William Bailhache were chosen in accordance with the Jersey Lodge's unicorn-bone dice - and look how splendid those choices have proven to be.
As you ungrateful serfs so obviously hate and despise Jersey so much I suggest you place your hippy traveller vans on the car ferry and go and live in Putin's Russia with the other nostalgic communists.
Funny isn't it how a person must not have receieved assistance from the defunct 1948 Poor Law as this means you are unfit to sit in judgement of evidence as a Jurat.
DeleteBut if you are known and shown to willingly disregard evidence of child abuse you will not only be acceptable; you can even get a Constable and President of the old Education Committee to propose you for the role!
Oh yes, we really must reclaim the Jersey Way from the scally-wags and conspiracy thereoists who claim it has something to do with corruption...
This is obviously a joke. Everyone knows that the Jersey Tory Party 'bone' dice are made out of coconuts that fell through the flaw at Haut de la Garenne. Some people are just so gulible.
DeleteShould that be fell through the 'floor'? Or were you talking about the 'flaw' in Ian Le Marquand's attempts to spin the Toothy Fairy propaganda as in any way remotely possible? Didn't the bloke even bring in a picture to put on States members' desks of a lampshade made out of coconut? just how glib can one be faced with such underlying horror?
DeleteThe former Senator and Home Affairs Minister certainly sounds like an ideal retiree to the magical 13TH parish of St. Cover-up-by-the-Sea. Obviously he would need a retirement bungalow with cellars.
DeleteHilarious! Well done Reg! Can we have some more please?
ReplyDeletePersonally I'd prefer the previous blog post was on VFC homepage as I think it offers a mature speech, important topic and thread- but that is my view.
DeleteSurely Reg has some friends who could come on with him?
DeleteIs Lord Reginald an Old Vic or just an Old Git?
DeleteVery amusing. But let's be honest who would want to be a Jurat? The role is completely politicised just like our police leadership since Chief of Police Graham Power QPM was silenced for blowing the whisltle on abuse. Reg is spot on Jurats are there to send lots of peasants to Le Moye. The Jersey police are there to arrest the peasants who break the law, harrasse the peasants who are probably on the establishment list hit list, and religiously disregard the great and the good and their chums who do break the law. Jurats should really be replaced with jurors who are ordinary members of the community. They are outdated and simply cannot pass the test on impartiality. Don't do it Reg. It wil only make you angry!
ReplyDeleteWhen someone puts up some evidence of our police or courts being "politicized" such as treating people differently to the clearly obvious norm or blatantly not apllying the law I will believe it. Until then and I think I will be waiting a long time I will side with William Bailhache on the issue of the Jersey Way. So there is a challenge for you anonymous or all you others who seem to hold the same views.
DeleteNot seen any evidence of the Jersey Way? Have you been living in a cave? What do you think the Care Inquiry is looking into?
DeleteMore likely just got his or her head buried in the sand? Or wedged up a Bailiff's butt? The effect is the same.
DeleteOf course Jersey's jurats are politicised. The whole set up stinks and should have gone out with the Ark.
DeleteOur police forces is even worse. Getting nicked/charged is all dependent on who you are. Or who you know. Uniformed no different to the Hobby Bobbys.
Just look at the story on VFC about the Honourary who did the right thing and reported a colleague he could smell alcohol on.
I rest my case.
Lord Reg is probably both. I hear he is also Constable of Jersey's hidden 13th parish - St. Cover-Up-By-The-Sea. Its between St. Mary and Trinity and you can only reach it on a special, magical road. Or by drinking 13 martinis.
ReplyDeleteYou know in all honesty this idea of a secret 13th parish accessible only by a magical road or by over indulging upper class liquer is really quite pluasible. It probably explains where people like Alan Maguire could be 'disappeared' to in the hope that things would be forgotten? Perhaps its where old disgraced Bailiffs go after they have finally been held to account?
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ReplyDeleteSo you haven't read Ian's blog of where the Hansard transcription had been edited then?
The Beano is the the Rag
The idea of a Jurat or the police making decicions/coming to conclusions that are different according to who a person is is a joke. Like your comment-maker says - show us an example. That is all you have to do then people like us who are sceptical will shut up.Can you do it?
DeleteEg 1 The arrest of Stuart Syvret.
DeleteEg 2 the vic college abuse scandal ... See the sharp report
Eg 3 the failure to charge various child sex abusers
Lots more
Not to forget John Le Breton one of disgraced Vic College teachers at the heart of the Sharp report being allowed to become a Jurat and his even being allowed - probably deliberately placed one would imagine - on the Pitman's court case against the Rag.
Deleteisn't it correct that damning as it is the Sharp report published was the third version written - the first two being unacceptable to the Education Committee who commissioned it with Vic College because these showed that at least three senior teachers and probably four including the Head and his two Vice-Principles should have been sacked several times over? And perhaps even more damaging had either of these versions been published the Board of Governors would have had to resign?
DeleteJEP online "packed court" for swearing in new deputy bailiff, packed with whom, lawyers & other sycophants, wish that train would hurry up down the line!!
ReplyDeleteI believe he holidays in St. Cover Up-By-The-Sea every summer.
DeleteI anyone wants to hear a seriously 'funny' speech albeit a darlky sinister one they need look no further than the appalling one made by Philip bailhache in the States last sitting in which he basically defended a paedophile AND sought to intimidate heroic police officer Lenny Harper.
ReplyDeleteThe troll says:
ReplyDelete"When someone puts up some evidence of our police or courts being "politicized" such as treating people differently to the clearly obvious norm or blatantly not applying the law I will believe it. Until then and I think I will be waiting a long time I will side with William Bailhache on the issue of the Jersey Way. So there is a challenge for you anonymous or all you others who seem to hold the same views."
Oh dear.
Where to start? Dozens of examples could be given.
OK, how about this one to be going on with?
Then Attorney General - now Bailiff - William Bailhache, associating with priority child-abuse suspects - failing to declare that conflict of interest - failing to recuse - then deciding that a key abuse-suspect in question would not be charged and prosecuted. The conduct in question has been confirmed by the former Police Chief - and at least one victim of the child-abuser in question.
That conduct was, and is, simply unlawful - and would not be tolerated in any established Western democracy.
That is just one example.
You want more?
I can give another example which everyone knows about but Jersey's MSM never mentions, Philip Bailhache and his role when Bailiff in the Reg's Skips scandal. Even though he was the judge, he advised one of the parties who were friends of his, to use 'voisinage', a load of ancient obsolete feudal nonsense, to win the case.
ReplyDeleteThere you go, that's a well known example of simple judicial corruption. Hearing a case when friends of yours are involved is corrupt on its own. To then advise them what to do doubles the corruption. Then finding for them quadruples the corruption.
And the cherry on the cake of The Jersey Way corruption in this example is that not only is it tolerated, it's actively protected by TPTB when like the comment above says in any respectable Western Democracy the judge who acted that way would be arrested, prosecuted and jailed.
Yes indeed, it's hard to choose where to start, is't it, there are so many wild examples of judicial corruption in Jersey.
ReplyDeleteThis one is very topical, and is never going away: Commissioner Julian Clyde-Smith presiding as a judge over the unlawfully suspended Police Chief's judicial review application, whilst at the same time being involved as a private-sector lawyer in representing one of the very very serious criminals that was under investigation by the Jersey Police when under Mr Power's leadership.
We assume the former Police Chief is now aware of that shocking example of judicial corruption of which he was a victim?
Do you know if he is, VFC?
Do you think TPTB in London daydream that the COI, as important as it is, is going somehow to make us in Jersey just forget about these kind of huge huge issues?
I believe the former Police Chief IS aware of that (and many more) alleged blatant corruption
DeleteFor more evidence of alleged judicial corruption readers might find THIS LOT of interest where it shows that it's not only high profile people who are victims of "Jersey Justice"
DeleteYou want more Mister Troll? How about what I saw sitting through the Pitman's Remise hearing (which incidentally they lost but going by the criteria of the law clearly should have won).
DeleteOn this beauty Clyde-Smith attempted to allow a Jurat, one Jurat C. Crill sit in judgement, despite the fact her husband had been the business partner of the JEP's lawyer on the day for around thirty years! Crill was also, like her husband, very close friends with the lawyer. To suggest that Clyde-Smith would not have known of this link would be laughable in the goldfish bowl of the tiny Jersey judiciary I think most would agree.
Could it get any worse? Evidently so. As some readers of the JEP might well also recall Crill had in the past written a disgusting letter which was published in the Rag attacking Deputy Shona Pitman for having brought the now famous no confidence vote in Philip Bailhache over the Roger Holland scandal and his almost as offensive Liberation Day speech.
Just to cap this fantastice example of the Jersey Way off, upon this breach of the most basic of ECHR Article 6 procedures being rumbled by the Pitmans or their lawyer (I'm afraid I don't know which) Clyde-Smith took his Jurats out for a little chin-wag. Only to return a few minutes later and state to the court that though he had decided they would need to reconvene with a new Jurat he was informing the court that Crill wanted it known that she 'didn't see wh'y this would stop her 'administering justice'!
I was there and I know I wasn't the only one gobsmacked.
The Jersey way, eh. They just do it and do it again until someone is brave enough to stand up and NO! Alright so the likely outcome when some brave soul does this is that they too will find themselves a victim of our corrupt courts but challenging this is the only way it will ever stop. By the way, a brilliant collection of other examples on the This Lot link. What a bloody place!
DeleteWith reference to anonymous @12.32. This is the true crux of the matter. These crooks just don't see what they do as in any way wrong because they genuinely believe they are our masters and betters.
DeleteI hope the Care Inquiry are reading all of this because to my mind it is this attitude that legal abuse is all fine and dandy which is at the heart of just about everything that the abuse victims suffered. The snake's head I think someone called the Jersey Crown Officers and I have to say I could not agree more.
ReplyDeleteJersey's Crown officers are out of control and have been for decades. The question is what are those meant to be monitoring them actually doing? Answers on a postcard to Government House?
DeleteHere we go again: No States sitting next week because of the schools half term.
ReplyDeleteWell apart from Mike Higgins and Reform there aren't any questions or propositions anymore anyway so not much of a loss. Probably just scrap Sittings entirely soon as a joint initiative between Bailiff Bailhache and and his big brother Senator Phil?
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ReplyDelete"I hope the Care Inquiry are reading all of this".
The point about the child abuse public inquiry noting these posting is actually a very important point. And I'm afraid just "hoping" the abuse public inquiry "notes" all this is just not good enough.
If that is what we're doing, then we're being fools.
Could I ask you, VFC, and everyone else for that matter, are you, or is anyone on our side, making a point of actually referring every single one of the good Jersey blog postings of these years, and associated comment threads, to the child-abuse inquiry?
It is vital that that happens.
It is simply not good enough, not good enough by miles, to assume, "the child-abuse public inquiry is monitoring and reading all of this stuff." And it should be really obvious why that is just not good enough.
Firstly, it is by no means a certainty that they do actually see and read everything which gets posted on the blogs. Remember, not one of the staff of the public inquiry are doing this because they're interested, ethically committed and want to be doing such a volume of work. They are doing this because it's their job. It's work. And when they're not on work time, they forget about it. They certainly won't be reading everything as it appears in real time.
But even if they are catching-up with postings when in work hours as a part of their job, can we be certain they're really doing it comprehensively? For example, have they really meticulously read and absorbed and collated everything that's been on the blogs going back for years?
But, even if by some miracle they have, that is still not good enough for our side.
This is a very important issue. Even IF the public inquiry IS reading and recording everything ever published on blogs like here, Stuart Syvret, Rico Sorda and The Jersey Way, that fact on its own is just not good enough if we're serious about every piece of relevant evidence being formally submitted to the public inquiry, and that evidence forming a part of the historic record.
If we want all of the very very important work done by VFC, Rico, Stuart etc to definitively and unavoidably form a part of the evidential historic record of the public inquiry, someone, somehow, is going to have to formally submit the blogs to the inquiry and everything they've ever published, as actual evidence.
It need not involve down-loading and e-mailing every posting, just people making a point of formally writing to the public inquiry and saying, "these blogs and everything they've published is evidence, and I hereby formally refer it all to you, and would be grateful if you would confirm in writing that every publication of these blogs has been formally recorded as an evidential part of the historic record in the battle against child-abuse cover-up in Jersey.'
You see, unless and until that happens, the inquiry are off-the-hook, and are able to ignore, marginalise, discount, park, demote and forget etc what maybe very very important pieces of evidence and important episodes in this whole battle.
If, on the other hand, if someone has formally referred the blogs and every single posting to the public inquiry, then all of those postings have to be forever collated and included in the historic archive of formal evidence gathered by the inquiry process.
Has anyone on our side done that?
And even if they have. Could I strongly recommend that a lot of others do exactly the same. There's a real danger that our side will sit around making what maybe misguided assumptions, such as, someone else will have done it, or the public inquiry will be officially including everything from the blogs automatically.
Those kind of assumptions could prove to be unwise.
I hope Team Voice will take seriously your suggestion to submit these blogs to the COI. The members of the COI should be made absolutely aware that Jersey blogs serve as Jersey's internationally followed archive of the evidence. Should the COI fail to consider the evidence in these blogs, they risk being widely discredited for their failure to examine the fullest, best documented, background on the child abuse cover-up.
DeleteElle
Even slow trains arrive.
ReplyDeleteNo hiding place.
There never was going to be any hiding place from karma.
Surely time for a new post and a return to your usual seriousness?
ReplyDeleteHope to have a "very serious" post up tomorrow.
DeleteWhat happened to the former politician talking about Willy Bailhache's favourite the Jersey Way you mentioned? And is there to be an update on the despicably treated Honorary Police officer story?
ReplyDeleteThe former politician speaking on "The Jersey Way" should be up tomorrow. There will also be a follow-up interview with the former Honorary Policeman in the coming days/weeks.
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