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Long overdue. My old uncle used to say he had done even more damage to Jersey than the Luftwaffe. And he was talking six years ago!
ReplyDeleteWhat a weasel. "Its not my fault, I inherited a can of worms, I didn't have responsibility till late in the game, I did everything I could to ensure it was run correctly when I did....boooo hooo hooo!" Sorry but when you took responsibility you should have conducted a review and immediately shut it down as a result of the poor management, sought repayment of unsecured funds, sought to renegotiate security for those funds unable to be repaid immediately, and reported back to the house. Sorry but you ran a mock with public money with very little regard to any reasonable commercial considerations. And to cap it all you have the cheek to have a pop at other concerned members of the house with "the Controller Generals report provides much of that detail for those that care to read it fully and objectively".
ReplyDeleteAnother cunning stunt from the loose cannon with a Napoleon complex IMHO. 1 down several more to go unfortunately
Trouble is he is not down yet!
DeleteIt all depends on what the independent reviews dig up.
ReplyDeleteIf he is cleared of wrong doing then its back to business as usual.
We were saying this yesterday.
DeleteAll this talk about Ozouf going for good is fantasy, because if they do acquit him then they have to take him back, as the smear campaign is then proven to be false.
Ozouf could bounce back from this stronger than ever.
But he won't. He is washed up. Listen to the stumbling speech. All the swagger has gone from a discredited bully and incompetent.
DeleteYeah business as usual alright, and thanks to Reform Jersey intervention in 2018 Deputy Andrew Lewis will walk back in followed by Sean Power.
DeleteAgreed.
DeleteBut if he is exonerated by these reviews he won't be stumbling anymore.
Don't agree. He is burnt out, the myth exposed. The last election showed him that even to the Conservatives who indulged him his best days are all in the past. The thing is with this Innovation Fund farce clearly someone has to be politically accountable, even if it was the goons below playing fast and loose. He has had so many shambles and scandals exposed yet survived them like Houdini. Not this time I believe. Like Le Main before him he just became more of a liability than his being there merited overlooking.
DeleteCan anyone believe the tosh he was saying? if you are an experienced minister and you had all of these concerns what would you do? You would suspend it all immediately and report your concerns to the States. Full of kak as usual. Senator Philip Ozouf as a capable politician all of these years was just an illusion, a carefully spun and polished PR stunt. Time to go permanently.
ReplyDeleteWhat duties has he relinquished? Does anyone know what he actually did as Assistant Minister?
ReplyDeleteWorked for the Wooden Tops.
DeleteWent to London to spend quality time with his partner? Politically nothing.
DeleteI heard he auditioned for Britain's got talent. Apparently he took Eddie Noel, sat him on his knee and tried to pass himself off as a sort of venttrilliquist act. Not far fetched, Bailhache been working Gorst for a few years now.
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ReplyDeletePhilip Ozouf:
" But when the Logfiller managed to grab and loan which disappeared, he was much more bullish about his knowledge. In a JEP report of June 16, 2016, he said: “What I can say is that I am totally satisfied, and have been throughout the procedures. The ongoing review process of what’s happening with the company has continued and that continues to this day. Let’s be clear, there are going to be some businesses that are not going to succeed.”
http://tonymusings.blogspot.co.uk
Since the October 2014 election, Senator Ozouf acts as Assistant Chief Minister with responsibility for Financial Services, Digital and Competition matters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Ozouf_Jr
Under questioning yesterday Gorse said he would be taking over finance, he would come back and tell the house who had been given digital etc at a later date.
ReplyDeleteSenator Philip Ozouf
I will answer for all actions during my time of political responsibility but it is for others to do likewise.
http://www.ozouf.je/blog/statement-jersey-innovation-fund/
OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
ReplyDeleteLooks like a subliminal threat to his predecessors, MacLean and Farnham.
Let's hope they all quit. All totally useless.
Has today's session concluded? If not what is up next? I read on Twitter that the High Net Value proposition was pulled?
ReplyDeleteStarts again at 2.15. Don't know what is being debated at present. Out in the van delivering water to financial institutes!
DeleteHorrible quality audio coming from the States chamber there, sounds like a bored chimpanzee turning the volume up and down all the time. Nasty effect of using a "noise gate" to try to lessen background noise pickup (usually something associated with terrible US TV) - but there's no way to do that without messing up the dynamics like this - so to whoever is responisble can I please plead "Stop doing it!"
ReplyDeleteIs it true that Lord Reginald is to be allowed to address the Assembly to make a spirited defence of why Constables should be allowed to sit even when bonkers?
ReplyDeleteLook out for an attempt to delay this by inventing a fictitious review of the Constables situation that will never happen.
What prevents a person from being or staying on as Bailiff? Apart from being committed to justice and democracy obviously?
ReplyDeleteAnyone know if all of the PPC proposals went through i.e. removing sodomy from preventing a Senator standing for election? I understand that Constables have always been allowed to sodomise who they like without it leading to their expulsion from office. Fascinating when you think about it. Jersey people have been buggered by the States for years.
ReplyDeleteOzouf's speaking gets worse and worse. But the same old scratched record attacking Scrutiny when all he ever did was obstruct, delay and undermine. Bring on the election so we can permanently 'stand him down'.
ReplyDeleteOzouf talking about good track records with funds! Aye by cry you have to hand it to the boy - he does irony so damn well.
ReplyDeleteOzouf: 'Our economy is doing so well' that's why buildings are going up. LOL! Buildings where the businesses are already here in the island and are getting years of paying no rent. Go now you pathetic little man.
ReplyDeletePhilip Ozouf has just misled the States claiming that he discovered the Energy from waste plants contract hadn't been hedged. Is there no lie this man will not utter?
ReplyDeleteDeputy Higgins, who surely should have been Treasurer having a background in economics, was the one who discovered this. I remember it being on the blogs and even on the local news.
The Deputy has just stood up and tried to correct what Ozouf had said - a lie in normal everyday life - and lo and behold William Barking Bailhache shut Higgins up and would not let him speak.
The Jersey Way rolls on and on......
Without doubt Deputy Vallois was the unsung heroine today in the States. Like to have see the look on their faces when she said words to the effect: we could be acting illegally if this is voted through without being scrutinised.
ReplyDeleteEven the generally useless can be useful on occasions the? Time Vallois did something after eight years of nothing.
DeleteSeemed like a lot of members were missing today. Anyone know who? I heard a full nine had stayed tucked up in bedy-byes|?
ReplyDeleteWill the Constables be allowed to vote on whether they should stay in the Assembly if bonkers? If they are what happens if any of them are bonkers now? Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteDid others hear Ozouf in the debate today on public elections amendment 8, when he said, I was on holiday in Estonia originally and was so excited by what I saw, that I asked Deputy Wickenden and an Official to come over and see for themselves how they operated their Parliament. so he has the arrogance to decide on these matters from outside the Island, and presumably spend Public money in the process, maybe a freedom of information would tell us how much this jolly cost the Taxpayer,
ReplyDeleteWickenden - another brown nose, cosying up to Gorst and McLean on Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is very unfair for people to continue to suggest that millions have disappeared from the public coffers due to the gross incompetence of politicians and their officials. It is an unjustified insult to all involved. I have some knowledge of how these things work and know for sure that to make such sums quietly disappear, and to get away with it, can require considerable skill. Give credit where it is due.
ReplyDeleteSo according to the States this morning.
ReplyDeleteIf a Deputy / Senator is made Bankrupt and have not cleared their debts within 4 years they are qualified from standing for a further 5 years making a total of 9 years.
so are bankrupts Constables still allowed to sit in the States regardless?
DeleteThis sounds a bit weird. What is the situation with Westminster? Sounds more like a ploy aimed to keep out people the Establishment are scared of? I assume if you are a Constable and bankrupt your seat remains hunky dory?
DeleteIn the United Kingdom where I hail from being bankrupt, which can obviously happen to the best of us, especially if you run a small business like myself, bankruptcy is only a bar on standing or being a sitting politician if you are an UNDISCHARGED bankrupt. Having once been bankrupt (Donald Trump U.S. President has been bankrupt SIX TIMES) is no barrier at all. I have been in this island nearly seven years now and I have to say, meaning no disrespect to locals, your island is run like something the mafia would concoct. Why aren't you all on the streets rioting? My word, you have just found out your former Chancellor/Treasury Minister has lost millions of pounds through an unfit for purpose business funds venture!
ReplyDeleteWhat a farce this hospital funding debate was? Jersey is run by escaped lunatics. Or ones who haven't been rounded up yet.
ReplyDeleteGood to see your featured post covers Reform Jersey's 4th member.
ReplyDeleteWhat a crook.
Lewis voted against Jersey's non-ECHR stance on members of parliament and discharged bankruptcy and also voted against letting Scrutiny examine the very dodgy alleged hospital costs. And Mezec, Tadier and Southern still want to cuddle up and endorse him! Join Reform Jersey? I don't think so.
DeleteDon't forget old Dooley Power is also part of their Clan.
DeleteWon't be long before they get David Rose in as their Journalist.
Can we please stop this B/S once and for all? Reform Jersey and Sam Mezec are not cuddling up and endorsing Lewis, they are only (rightly or wrongly you decide) supporting P133, nothing more nothing less. Tadier and Southern I cant vouch for they are strangely quite on this subject, but this vicious bile your spouting is not moving the debate forward its ill informed and childish.
Delete@Voice get a grip on this please and cut out these b/s comments that if not coming from our old friend Jon are perhaps coming from his only friend Stella.
Anon 04:45, (insomniac)
DeleteDep. Sam Mezec was asked to explain the Reform Jersey association with Andrew Lewis and for Rico's troubles he was told he was talking out of backside and then other posters showing equal concerns were called idiots, stupid, pathetic and childish.
Alarm bells rang from this alone because a Deputy of the States is supposed to act professionally.
So if anybody has been on the Stella it's Dep. Sam Mezec because P133 is a worthless proposal as it is and we've heard nothing from Monty or Southern yet Dep. Andrew Lewis is smiling like the proverbial Cheshire Cat full-time. Perhaps if Dep.. Sam Mezec explained this from the offset without the insults then people may have has some understanding, but P133 is still a worthless piece of **** and on top we see this week that Dep. Sam Mezec is all pally with the e-mail thief Power, wtf is going on?
'for Rico's troubles he was told he was talking out of backside and then other posters showing equal concerns were called idiots, stupid, pathetic and childish.'
DeleteThe strangest thing is that Sam is the only apparent person doing this online in 2017.
Everybody on the Net has toned it down, apart from robust political views nobody is calling others names or saying things deliberately constructed to cause offence.
Think about Sam.
"and for Rico's troubles he was told he was talking out of backside" to be fair Rico talks out of his backside a lot. That's largely down to him taking an standpoint and not being prepared to listed to any reasonable argument and debate that does not exactly correspond to his own view. On his own site he criticisized Sam for doing what he believes in in supporting P133 and not Lewis and then contradicted his own view by saying he will continue to support Sam on matters he believes. I challenged him on how that was different twice and he blatantly ignored my comments and challenge because he simply has no answer. So there you have it Rico talks out of his ass.
DeleteFor balance though I should point out I respect Rico for all the research and holding to account of others on the suspension of Graham Power and the Child abuse inquiry, but hes starting to loose vision and go off course I feel, and probably partly through frustration. That however does not help the cause.
Sam is the only person being ratty online at the moment though.
DeleteAt least others are showing restraint and more respect for other opinions online without resorting to slurs.
Everyone needs to realise how corruption and suspected criminal activity is being done - i believe Ozouf is part of it by negligence in this case as i know of mirrored suspect activity in other area of misspending of tax payers money - but the corporate and private interests are the ones that need investigating.
ReplyDeleteIts all stems from the Law Officers Department, private interest, and civil servants - and crime is facilitated by MINISTERIAL GOVERNMENT.
No criminal investigation will happen and thats why they do it or turn a blind eye.
SOLUTION: GET RID OF MINISTERIAL GOVERNMENT
Looking down on these 'minions'it would seem that two things are clearly missing here, firstly neither Gorst or Ozouf mentioned the 'S' word (i.e sorry)but perhaps most important of all is that this Island relies on the finance industry and I truly wonder what any outsider would make of this fiasco from Ministers in charge of public funds. If the fund farce were not bad enough we now hear that the new hospital funding has been called into question WTF is going on with these bloody morons,there are some in the States who could not be sent to the shop for a loaf of bread and come back with the right change. We can be sure that instead of airing the facts the usual line will be followed and 'damage control' will be in full swing!!!....will they never learn, citizens media is here to stay and the days of 'under the carpet' are gone.
ReplyDeleteA very interesting and damming (for the Establishment) Blog Posting by Advocate PHILIP SINEL.
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Delete"The SEB’s reluctance to take ownership of its mistakes and accept liability for clear breaches of contract leave Dr Alwitry with no choice but to seek justice through the Courts. There has been much expense (most of it public) already spent on this matter in terms of investigations, hearings, reports and legal costs. The SEB has, at public expense, sought to resist at every turn Dr Alwitry’s attempts to discern the reasons for his dismissal. In light of the SEB’s continuing intransigence, such expense now looks set to rise substantially. As the Complaints Board recognized, Dr Alwitry is a victim of the establishment of the Hospital and the SEB and an outdated, instinctive tendency within those institutions to circle the wagons in defence of indefensible decisions. While the Complaints Board’s findings may help employees and employers going forward with regards to employment procedures, Dr Alwitry is yet to be compensated at all for losses he has sustained and for unjustly seeing his unblemished career tarnished because he sought to improve the Hospital’s standing and the care it provides for the Island’s patients. This was recognised by the Complaints Board and has been ignored, wrongly, by the SEB."
Quote ENDS
Wasn't it the SEB (or it's predecessor) who mysteriously 'lost' the chief of police's employment contract during his illegal suspension during the destruction on the child abuse investigation?
Graham Power's own copy having also been 'removed' from the safe in his office -so he could be shafted internationally with no defence?
"Fairness" is the least of their issues. These are departments which apparently do not care if children are brutalised and raped or if patients are apparently murdered by a rogue nurse.
BBC Radio Jersey is inviting questions (on it's Facebook page) to the Chief Minister for its "Hot Seat" (otherwise known as The PROPAGANDA HOUR tomorrow between 12 and 1 o'clock.
ReplyDeleteHere is my question because as a rule BBC Radio Jersey don't read my comments/questions out so thought I'd post it here as well as their Facebook page.
"Are there other people who are just as (if not more) culpable than Philip Ozouf for the JIF fund debacle who are flying under the radar (being protected) while he is being hung out to dry? Didn't Alan Maclean and Lyndon farnham sign off some of these loans? Surely there are others with just as many questions to answer as PO? Is this a witch hunt against an easy target?"
What about 'why is it that in the UK a person who has been discharged from a bankruptcy can stand for parliament in a country of millions; but here in Jersey you are banned for another 5 years even after being discharged?' We know the answer. The people cooking our books to the tune of millions don't want people in who hold them to account.
Deleteu are right about the situation in the UK anonymous. Once discharged you are free to stand as you should be just as in any other work of life. What made me laugh was to hear Philip Ozouf, without doubt one of the most useless, lazy and politically dishonest when asked for a straight answer politicans ever elected joining the even more dishonest Andrew Lewis to call for a higher bar in Jersey. These are two men who have damaged Jersey so much, probably more than any others in recent political history. Philip Ozouf has cost the island millions, he has through his incompetence almost single-handedly created Jersey's black hole. As for Reform Jersey's 4th member Andrew Lewis, this is a man who in the opinion of many should be facing criminal charges for what he did to police chief Graham Power.
DeleteSam Mezec is turning out to be even more of a big head than Stuart Syvret. Bet he can spot a camera faster than an eagle; hunt it down and demand to be filmed faster than a cheater. Talking of Sean Power what a pathetic, desperate old hasbeen.
DeleteLove the picture on Rico's blog. Power to the people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shame that just when a few more people are wising up to how shite the Council of Millionaires is the Left have no-one of any real stature to lead.
DeleteWe were wondering what the heck Sean Power is doing.
DeleteOn the radio, in the paper on CTV. Thought he had retired from politics and getting on with life or is that he can't and needs a way to sneak back in?
Ben Shenton is another, has a bigger mouth out of politics than when he was in.
None of these people know when to shut up.
How can voice get a grip on the Lewis reform jersey debacle when it's Rico rightly calling them out.
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Delete??? @08:14
Last time I looked, "Team Voice" included Rico
& TJW etc.
I wonder if Advocate Sinel is an associate member :-)
ReplyDeleteHi all fellow bloggers’ I am on holiday for a few days so thought I would listen and watch the video ) of our Parliament in action over the hospital funding debate ( yep call me sad if you wish ) that sees almost a billion pounds paid out over forty years even though the proper hospital spending blueprint is missing and in the UK they seem to build hospitals for half the price.
Can it get any worse under this present council of ministers afraid so, because Deputy Tracy Vallois obviously has done her homework and pointed out that under the finance law Jerseys' States cannot borrow more than last years tax receipts. To do so would break the law and the Bailiff became serious about getting the deputy and the States a clear answer therefore called in the attorney general not allowing any further business until the question was answered.
I am not an accountant or legal expert but his response was that The states borrowed £250 million because it was cheaper for them to do so, then pass it on to Andium Homes. A further £400 million would just bring it under last years receipts of an estimated £680 million. OK so far hope you are with me on the direction we are heading.
What is to me unbelievable is that all the quango's including the multi millions borrowed by SoJDC, Harbours and Airports etc etc are not counted as states borrowing even though these are public car parks land and properties. It therefore must be the case that as stand alone loans if they go wrong the banks are entitled to take full and complete control of the publics land and assets forever.
How many times have we been told by politicians that forming SoJDC and the all other quango's is in the best interest of the island and its people? Well all the publics’ assets can now be taken by banks if they default on loans.
The Attorney General decided that the amount the Jersey States may wish to borrow receipts so is legal. Deputy John Le Fondre pointed out that the agreement reached in 1987 regarding the states pension scheme which owed £300 million could this be counted as states debt. The answer again is no this is excluded from the states balance when the law was drawn up the same applies to all quango debt.
The bottom line is that assets are one by one are being removed from the responsibility of elected politicians and transferred sometimes for just £1 to separated companies ( owned by the States ) who in the event of failure will hand over public assets to the financial institutions. This council of ministers are allowing debt and risk to be taken on in the name of the people but in reality the people and their politicians have little control as witnessed by the hated SoJDC office developments and Innovation fund farce, The continued removal of public areas around the harbours and waterfront and the taking over of public properties by out of control quangos who put business before people and their ownership of their island is normal everyday business on Jersey.
There were thirteen people making up the hardcore who wish for no scrutiny and support this daylight robbery. I will never again consider their names when I vote.
Boatyboy.
Sam Mezec is well known for finding bandwagons to jump onto and claim he did it all along, but Bandwagon Lewis is a mirage and Bandwagon Power will be nicked.
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ReplyDeleteAndrew Lewis spoke against scrutiny examining the hospital figures and agreed that trusting the Com, was they way forward. To be honest it must be obvious to anyone with any intelligence that this Council of ministers could not run a charity shop let alone a sweet shop. Andrew Lewis voted to exclude scrutiny and give the CoM permission to put in place borrowing of £400 million for a hospital project drawn on the back of a serviette.
He is gone at the next election.
Can't agree with that.
DeleteLewis is in the news all the time and playing a blinder.
Also by holding Reform Jersey firmly held by the b*lls he can claim popularity over a wider political spectrum.
Re-election will be a piece of cake.
If he was holding Reform = Tadier, Southern and Mezec by the b*lls then why did Tadier and Southern make deep, considered and intelligent speeches "for " the proposal to get this funding to scrutiny. Then the three of them voted against the CoM and their poodles. Lewis voted for. There is no factual basis at all in your comment.
DeleteSam why don't you post these comments under your real name.
DeleteYou've also been caught doing this on Rico's blog, because you use the same words frequently which gives you away.
DeleteIf only I was as young, as energetic and as charismatic as Sam Mezec. @16.43. oh and have the patience to sit in the assembly and listen to the occasional good debate but also a lot of crap for hours on end.
Sam Mezec can speak for himself the comment @15.43 is mine not his. If you want to have a go, try using factual argument or intelligent debate rather than accusing bloggers of being people they are not. Why not try again there are probably hundreds of bloggers and thousands of readers. Doh !
Well you sound like him.
DeleteHe is a States Member so should be man enough to defend his own corner anyhow.
Food for thought -
ReplyDelete"TRUMP?! HOW DID THIS HAPPEN??"
It happened because you banned super-size sodas. And smoking in parks. And offensive ideas on campus. Because you branded people who oppose gay marriage 'homophobic', and people unsure about immigration 'racist'. Because you treated owning a gun and never having eaten quinoa as signifiers of fascism. Because you thought correcting people's attitudes was more important than finding them jobs. Because you turned 'white man' from a description into an insult. Because you used slurs like 'denier' and 'dangerous' against anyone who doesn't share your eco-pieties. Because you treated dissent as hate speech and criticism of Obama as extremism. Because you talked more about gender-neutral toilets than about home repossessions. Because you beatified Caitlyn Jenner. Because you policed people's language, rubbished their parenting skills, took the piss out of their beliefs. Because you cried when someone mocked the Koran but laughed when they mocked the Bible. Because you said criticising Islam is Islamophobia. Because you kept telling people, "You can't think that, you can't say that, you can't do that". Because you turned politics from something done by and for people to something done to them, for their own good. Because you treated people like shit. And people don't like being treated like shit. Trump happened because of you.
Mass integration has failed World Wide.
DeleteSeeing it in Germany, England, USA and many other Countries are starting to also talk about closing borders and even having their own EU exits.
Glad to see Trump in, breath of fresh air.
DeleteTrump: a "breath of fresh air"
only if sociopaths are your thing.
funny though that 'Trump' is a colloquialism for a fart.
The excellent comment HERE is food for thought and explains exactly how Trump could have "happened."
DeleteIts democracy, he was voted in by the people of America for his mandate, get over it.
DeleteIts a brilliant 'pull no punches' comment and much of it is as relevant to the UK.
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DeleteThe entire comment is a cut and paste from The Spectator Blog here:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/trump-how-did-this-happen/
It's oh so clever to petulantly copy other people's work way after the event but what I find more imnpressive is to predict it so effectively months BEFORE
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
"Friends:
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”
Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.
...." CONTINUES
Some of the reasons given by Moore are equivalent. The rest of the 'lowest common denometer' content of the unreferenced/plagiarised comment (@20:58) likely has some truth in it.
The dark recesses of the human mind are so fascinating.
It was pretty obvious that the comment came from somebody in America.
DeletePeople need to stop whining about Trump and get used to it.
At least he is promising a trade deal with the UK unlike Obama.
DeleteWhy should the comment @20:58 be from America?
It appears to reference (or not, actually) a UK tory blog
People need to stop whining about Trump and get laughing.
Because, like I said before ...... The world may not be a safer place
....but it has just got a whole lot funnier.
I predicted a win for trump. But only the night before when I heard how close the opinion poles were. I guessed that a couple of points lead for Clinton meant a Trump win because, let's face it, several percent of people asked will have been too embarrassed to say they would vote Trump.
You don't have to like the clown, but I find it bizarre for people to be demonstrating in protest against an election result unless the result was rigged
(like, systemically, in Jersey)
The World is hardly a safe place already.
DeleteWe used to go to Paris at least once every 2 years for a weekend but never again after witnessing bombings and mass shootings.
At least with Trump he's going to take these nutters head on and not forgetting the threat North Korea is with its ruddy Nuclear Programme.
Re. comment at 10:10 - this is factually incorrect. Hilary Clinton won the popular vote by a significant margin. Donald Trump won as a result of the electoral college system giving votes in smaller states greater weight than those in larger states.
DeleteSo as a matter of fact, Clinton was voted in by the people of America, but under the US electoral system, Trump won.
Not claiming that his victory was unfair or undemocratic, but he lost the popular vote.
@17:19 "The World is hardly a safe place already"
DeleteTrue enough. But is the cure for that to elect a total chancer and lose canon to lead a world power?
The pasted comment @20:58 says "Because you treated owning a gun ...etc.... as signifiers of fascism.
Don't US gun deaths currently run at about 15,000 per year? !!!
Is this 15,000 PER YEAR due to guns being too restricted or too available.
Yes ..The World is hardly a safe place already.
Russia and China will run rings round Trump.
It is the rednecks at the bottom of the heap who will pay the highest price.
ReplyDelete@16.43 Do you research and answer with proof. I am not Sam Mezec never have been, and far to old to pretend. Besides do not agree with all his policies. Get a life and get proof before you make accusations.
Did anyone eelse notice amongst the jaw-dropping nonsense in the States that speaking against Deputy Higgins' proposition Reform Jersey's good friend Deputy Andrew Lewis wanted the already illegal and in breach of the Human Rights Convention nine year ban on discharged bankrupts being able to run for parliament INCREASED!
ReplyDeleteThis from the man who lied to the States to sabotage the HDLG investigation and ended the career of our former Chief of Police! How can Reform cuddle up to such a shameless hypocrite? Deputy Higgins should lodge a further proposition to bring Jersey in to line on this bankruptcy issue with the United Kingdom. I for one would rather have a former bankrupted businessman representing me in the States than a lying toerag who shafted an honest Chief of Police.
Dep. Sam Mezec was easy to influence by predator Dep. Andrew Lewis who is an experienced confidence trickster. Remember how he conned people that he had read a damming report.
DeleteHe pounced onto the unsuspecting Dep. Sam Mezec like a Cat onto a Mouse.
I repeat. Trump has been bankrupted six times. Now President of the United States. Jersey continues to live and enforce the politics of the Dark Ages.
DeleteI see on the excellent Polo's website that being bankrupt isn' a bar to entry of either house in parliament, nor as many people know in regard to being a Euro MEP. This all makes it quite clear having made the Pitmans bankrupt for political reasons this attempt to justify a ludicrous and as has been said illegal 9 year exclusion from the States is just to keep the Pitmans, and particularly Trevor who the Establishment are so scared of out of the States. If Deputy Mezec is really the great progressive hope for Reform he would us believe he is how about a proposition to rectify this obvious and odious wrong? Maybe even a project for the elusive Monty?
DeleteThis is effectively penalising people twice. It is therefore demonstrably not a proportionate response and so out of line with the ECHR. I don't know why the COM don't just come clean. They are shit scared of Trevor Pitman coming back. There is now just no one like him in the States to hold these worms to account.
DeleteNever a truer word.
DeleteBecause of the totally unpredictable past week in Jersey Politics. And because of The Ministers and Assistance Ministers vote not to scrutinise.... Wonder if the Council of Ministers and their Assist Ministers are sleeping well ?!
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ReplyDeleteSo predictable, pay off the civil servants so they can't be part of the investigation or held to account for their actions.
"Wayne Gallichan, director of inward investment and international trade development for Locate Jersey, is believed to be leaving his role at the end of February after accepting a voluntary redundancy package"
Read more at http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/01/22/flight-cost-controversy-civil-servant-bows-out/#TlrybSv2xvAbto7R.99
I hope there will be questions in the States on this pay off of Gallichan and King. No doubt it will be only Mike Higgins brave and tenacious enough to do so of course.
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ReplyDeleteKings payoff apparently is secret as for some strange reason the SEB allowed a secrecy clause. The so called resignation was also not fully supported by the SEB.
Tossers
"Kings payoff apparently is secret as for some strange reason the SEB allowed a secrecy clause." Well if we can't hold king to account because of some secrecy clause the person who negotiated/agreed to that should instead be identified and held to account. This incompetence beggars belief. If the whole SEB agreed to this, then the whole stinking cesspit of SEB need to go.
ReplyDeleteFurther to our (so called Treasury Minister)claiming the LTC 'charges' were part of his calculations with regards to what he wanted to borrow for the new seven extra beds, would one of the fourty odd States members please confirm that these charges/TAX is in fact being Ring Fenced and exactly where these millions are in fact being invested for the future care of the elderly. If Alan McClean, who by all accounts has hold of the purse strings does not seem to know that these charges (now deemed a TAX according to the SG) are to be set aside we as the long suffering taxpaying public can only but wonder where the hell he gets his advice from.
ReplyDeleteHo! Ho! Ho! So a few weeks ago Jersey's Tax dodging industry was all quite safe and hunky dory after the Brexit vote. Now it appears even Mr Tax Dodging Apologist himself, Colin Powell is saying we are highly likely to be blacklisted throughout Europe! Looks like we might regret those few million Ozouf, MacLean and Farnham wasted at the shambles of an Innovation Fund even more. Make the political and civil servant shysters pay it all back I say. We're gonna need that cash for lifeboats with the good ship Jersey finally hits the iceberg!
ReplyDeleteNot that funny.
DeleteWe will all suffer if it happens.
Yeah but some us will only have themselves to blame for supporting the imbeciles who staked our island's whole future on one bent industry. face up to it the neo-liberal lunatics who run our political asylum are so socially and economically myopic they must all need glasses thicker than Mr Magoo's. (Younger readers look the cartoon character up!) Vote Progressive or start getting ready to grow tomatoes and actually treat tourists with respect again.
DeleteAgreed, but nobody has ever come up with any new business ideas for the Island to follow.
DeleteWell that isn't true, is it? We could have gone down the casino route. We could rebuild our tourism industry as a joint venture with the other islands. We could be leaders regarding intellectual property. We could even go post-Brexit independent and legalise and promote cannabis tourism if we were feeling really innovative and brave. Or as a nice easy start we could seel the rights to filming the Council of Ministers weekly meetings and promote it as the new live version of Spitting Image! We could even be really, really brave and innovative and start offering clients completely honest and transparent tax services. That would make us stand out in this world of dishonesty.
DeleteYeah, we should have cannabis coffee shops like Amsterdam and Casinos like they have in Vegas.
DeleteIt will never happen though because they need to protect the Finance Industry so soft drugs and gambling is a no no. Remember this is an Island which banned Happy Hours in the early 90's for our benefit.
Even PPC are saying the Andrew 'Integrity' Lewis and Sam Mezec backed Option B + proposals are pants.
ReplyDeleteCome on, Sam, back away now. You would be better off focusiing on recruiting some experienced and credible progressives to your cause.
Lewis can only undermine Reform Jersey.
Its too late, Lewis's feet are under the table.
DeleteAnd you have to wonder if under that table his hand is on someone's trembling knee?
DeleteWish the blogs would stop talking about Lewis and showing his ugly mug.
DeleteNo publicity is bad publicity (unless you are Nick Le C)
VFC. Was The Sharpe Report and Grand Prix Report part of the evidence put to the COI?
ReplyDeleteFormer Deputy Trevor Pitman utilised the Sharpe Report in his evidence and this was backed up by the key police officer during the Vic College abuse cover up, Anton Cornelissen. What was most interesting in all of this was the officer's confirmation about the dishonest Vice-Principle who bullied at least one victim in to silence and was rewarded with being a jurat. It emerged that no fewer than three Bailiffs condoned this including our present one. That's Jersey for you.
DeleteYes the damming and scathing (Sharpe) report into the abuse of children at Victoria College was submitted to the COI by former Deputy Trevor Pitman and possibly others.
DeleteThe Grand Prix system was a (punitive) regime implemented at Greenfields children's residential facility which was brought to the public's attention by whistleblower Simon Belwood and latterly the then Health Minister and whistleblower Stuart Syvret.
It (Grand Prix System) did form part of a report published by the Howard League for Penal Reform. The report was commissioned by Stuart syvret. What the Howard League Report did was (among much else) to vindicate Syvret and Belwood for their criticisms of the Grand Prix System and other "care" regimes. If memory serves correct the Howard League stated that the Grand Prix System would be deemed illegal in England and Wales.
A former employee at Greenfield gave evidence to the Jersey Child Abuse Inquiry stating that she was instructed, by her superior, to shred any and all documents that contained the words "Grand Prix." She told the public hearing that she spent a whole afternoon doing just that.
While watching tv a few nights ago I heard the Chairman of the Judges panel deciding on Brexit saying that they were all Judges on the panel and did not do politics or interfere with politics, so were does our bailiff fit in all this, why is he seen as being different?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous at 29.38
ReplyDeleteYes the Sharpe Report was presented to the COI on 27th Feb 2014, Grand Prix was not a report but a system of behavioural management ( or mismanagement) in practice at Les Chenes ,childrens home, it was commented on in the Howard League Report and yes the COI had a copy of that.
Does the COI know that Jimmy Savile was made Jersey's Mr Battle three times? A fact that's not broadcast much these days. Wonder why?
ReplyDeleteSurprised they called it Mr Battle.....Should of been Mr. Pedo.
ReplyDeleteSuppose Miss Battle had to look out for wandering hands....
Miss Junior Battle.
DeleteThey never had Rolf Harris or Gary Glitter on a Float?
Anybody know what's happened to Big Ian?
ReplyDeleteNo posts in months.
Need a new post and when is this Report out?
ReplyDeleteLooked at the Care Inquiry Website and no updates since last year.
2017
ReplyDeleteWhat a glorious start for our Council of Ministers. Shambles.
Then we have the any form of reform will do Reform Party whilst getting cosy with Andrew Lewis. Shambles
My blog will be calling it exactly how I see it. The way I have always called it.
Nobody should be surprised. Team Voice are ready for the COI and what else comes our way.
Have the travelling dingleberries got back from their democracy tour yet?
Yeah you see it through blinkers.
DeleteReform Jersey is not getting cosy with Andrew Lewis, that's a stupid statement.
Mezec is getting cosy with Lewis and has ignored all our concerns and objections to it.
DeletePlus the timing of this new alliance on the eve of a report into the handling of Historic Child abuse couldn't be anymore sickening.
I hope P133 is rejected next week.
Saw on the news that Deputy Sam Mezec is in Guernsey giving advice on some kind of political uprising, what planet is he living on at the moment?
ReplyDeleteHas he got a presidential plane?
DeleteSeveral Guerns online have questioned his nerve in going over there.
DeleteLikewise, say if Dep. Peter Roffey came to Jersey to tell us how we should be doing things I'd be first to tell him to **** off.
Some of these comments are over the top and plain childish. I don't support Dep Mezec's stance on supporting the slime Lewis and his Option B+ but if Mezec is trying to build bridges with progressives in the other islands then that is a good thing. I would add only two further thoughts to this.
DeleteFirstly building bridges is what he will have to do as a consequence of misjudging people's disappointment that he has put a rubbish reform proposal above our disgust at supporting anything to do with Lewis.
Secondly I would say, and this is only my own opinion, while I would much rather we still had the likes of Trevor Pitman in the States representing us (I'm damn sure he would not support Option B+) the young Dep is all we have outside Dep Higgins as Dep Tadier and Dep Southern seemed to have become irrelevant. Or maybe there is some kind of party gagging order on the Option B+ controversy.
So at the end of the day we still just have to give the young man a chance to realise his mistakes. We all make them.
Can't agree with this.
DeleteDeputy Mezec needs to show a proven track record before blowing any trumpets and apart from him having a history of taking all the glory for work involving others, there's work to do at home first. The progressives are not a force in Jersey Politics and let's not kid ourselves they are.
Maybe not but they do always produce the most honest and capable politicians. That is why they are always excluded by the grasping half-wits who dominate the States looking out for the wealthy minority.
DeleteThe comment at 12.52 is the usual politically shortsighted analysis from the progressive haters. Comment at 21.49 is pretty much on the money. What should be added is that without the progressives, and I accept we have not replaced the real talents of Syvret (pre 2009), the Pitmans and Dan Wimberley, the arrogant morons of the Ozouf, MacLean, Bailhache ilk would have had this island both a police state and bankrupt already. Progressive questioning is the only paltry barrier between Jersey and oblivion that would likely last two generations. Mezec may well grow into something accomplished given time.
DeleteIf I am not mistaken I 'smell' the signs of the "let's go independant" brigade starting to beat their drums. But before this happens WE the people of this Island had better take a cold hard look at what may come our way. Firstly what will be our political status? we have a so called 'Justice system' that has been set up by the very people who not only set the rules but administer them as well (i.e the Crown officers) IF this Island were to go independant of the UK this would be a key point to resolve, let alone a proper written constitution agreed to 'By the people for the people' but how? Secondly IF we were independant of the UK and what ever justice system we had, who would a convicted person make their appeal too?...the very people who convicted them?. Thirdly who would we turn to for military protection? France? Britain? tim buck to? It would be so very easy for the PTB to convince the Islanders that 'Independance' is the only way to go, but in those famous words..."be careful what you wish for because you may just get your wish".....as a certain person said long ago "You WILL get the government you deserve"
ReplyDeleteIf Jersey should go independent the island would be ruined within three years. Even Powell who I wouldn't lend a fiver to without fear of it being given to subsidise some rich scrounger is picking up on this. Even worse the political oppression through our bent courts would dwarf what it is now. We would also see the States manipulated into just the council of ministers and Deputies in no time. Don't think their would be enough boats out to carry the numbers leaving. Especially seeing theat Condor never hardly sails.
DeleteMeant to say Constables not Deputies.
DeleteReaders might be interested to know that Team Voice now has its own Facebook page. It is very new and I'm having to learn how to use it. Feel free to like, and share the page which is HERE. (I hope)
ReplyDeleteGreat. All of me will definitely check it out. We are already looking forward to commenting. Just be sure to control what is posted on your comments wall.
DeleteA friend of mine who works for the Powers That Be tells me of a rumour doing the rounds that the COI panel members and Eversheds are subject of a serious criminal complaint but the SOJP have been ordered by the same Powers to do all they can to delay, obstruct and block it. Anyone who comes here know anything about this?
ReplyDeleteAs someone (very relevant of the above posting) would say: That train is gathering speed, coming down that track.
ReplyDelete0 would say The train is come down the track
Let's hope it gets here before we are all in a care home from old age!
DeleteTime for a new post? How about "In which year will the Care Inquiry publish its report?"
ReplyDeleteEven British Rail trains aren't subjected to the huge delay of the long overdue Stuart Syvret Express.
ReplyDeleteWe will now sing Hymn 737. All together.
Delete"She'll be coming 'round the mountain when she comes. She'll be coming 'round the mountain when she comes. She'll be comining 'round the mountain. Coming 'round the mountain. She'll be comining 'round the mountain when she comes".
Syvret's Strasbourg Express is indeed a few years late and due to the length of the process, brexit and more importantly the determination of London that the process must not escape the bubble of Jersey's corrupt courts -the train will never be allowed to leave the island.
DeleteWhile it may feel clever to poke fun at the Health Minister who first announced that all was not well in Jersey and the child care system ......one could observe that there are two sorts of people.
Those who help the cause of child and public protection and those who hinder it.
Not wishing to spoil your harmless(?) fun but may we ask what YOU have done to further the cause?
Anything at all beyond your *own* needs?
British Rail was run by thousands of people and you think it is funny to mock one man for failing to 'get his train to Strasbourg'. How did you help that train to that OR ANY OTHER destination?
Mark my words: The Jersey Justice Train is on a circular track and is going nowhere!
Even the shiny new £23 Million lawyer powered CoI Express has had it's points nobbled. It will get you to *their* chosen local destination. A worthwhile journey for some whose need is to tell their story, but for all the fanfare steam and whistles it will be one way day trip. If/when that happens, Mr.Syvret and others may be holding your refund voucher and ticket home.
You shall pay the price now and your children will live (or not) with the consequences of your failure.
It is what you suffer that is amongst the things which define *you* and mould *our* communal future.
'suffer' , as in -stand by and allow
I hope to be proved wrong about the £23 Million CoI AND about where Jersey and it's population is being railroaded.
Very interesting comment in the thread below
Delete"In a fairy tale island where there is only one hospital to care for all the elves, goblins fairies and trolls there is a special group who like to earn lots of money. They are exceedingly clever and the three not so very clever witches that run the Hospital are scared of them.
The hospital looks after most of the little fairy’s, and inhabitants of this tiny island but ....."
The very same fairy tale system screwed up (or actually "screwed") the island's most vulnerable children.
Syvret may have been a very very rude elf.
But least he was not a goblin or a troll.
Let's pretend it's not real and laugh at the rude elf.
My video link relates to the dangers that the authorities in the big lands fail to nullify.
In the fairytale island the main danger appears to be from the authorities who do as they like and will protect themselves at any cost
Like in the video, real people pay the price.
The links given above do not get me to the youtube videos
DeleteThe direct links are
the runaway train came over the hill and she blew:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVXLO-2d_F8
Runaway Train (Soul Asylum):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtvqT_wMeY
Soul Asylum do some stunning tracks
Excellent posting on the Photopol blog if anyone hasn't checked it out.
ReplyDeleteHere is the LINK to Polo's Blog.
DeleteAn interesting fable was posted as a comment on the JEP website tonight, under this story:
ReplyDeletehttp://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/01/30/eye-surgeon-to-sue-states-over-contract-cancellation/
Some very interesting claims about a hospital consultant money generating machine. Copied below for posterity.
"Abaddon
January 30, 2017 9:30 pm
In a fairy tale island where there is only one hospital to care for all the elves, goblins fairies and trolls there is a special group who like to earn lots of money. They are exceedingly clever and the three not so very clever witches that run the Hospital are scared of them.
The hospital looks after most of the little fairy’s, and inhabitants of this tiny island but the difference with this special group is that they run enthusiastically their own monopoly businesses in full view but under the umbrella of the Hospital management. They charge a lot of money paid for by elves, gnomes and others with lots of private reserves stored away.
One day a very nice and clever Consultant wanted to work back in the fairy tale island and was invited to join the hospital, he was very pleased and very happy. Then the boss of the monopoly said you are a clever chap please join my private practice and you will become very rich. However you must give me 20% of all your earnings doing private work for the rest of your working life.
This was not acceptable to the new Consultant. In the NHS in the big land where he was trained and worked, Consultants are too tired at the end of the week to do private work. There is always Harley Street but they are not paid for by the public’s taxes or use publicly owned hospitals. He refused.
To end this sorry fairy tale, the nasty consultant monopoly boss went to management asking that they do not employ this upstart who refuses to join my practice and not give me 20% of his earnings for life. If you employ him, we will all leave where will you be then he bellowed. The three witches gave in and stopped the Consultant from starting his contract.
The nasty trolls that make up the employment board are petrified that this bad fairy tale story hits the streets, as it will show that corruption is endemic in the Hospital system and employs a management that cannot deal with it. It will show a council of trolls who knows all, but does not want to get involved and gives a deep and real reason the waiting times for the fairies, and everyone else ( except the rich ) is so long. They all know the real story this is why the sad tale will never make it to the London courts.
The fairy tale for a fairy tale island that will be kept secret the " Jersey way " they say."
DeleteMmmmm, this is a clever piece of writing. The Hospital Cosultants get between £90 to £160k per year linked to NHS rates. Obviously they pay less tax. This being the case how did one consultant ( employed full time by the States health service ) put £1,000,000 in his bank account for a years private work.
A very nice guy by the way, but this does raise the question how much of his day job time, is being sacrificed for his private clients.
Let's not allow this previous comment to get lost:
ReplyDelete"A friend of mine who works for the Powers That Be tells me of a rumour doing the rounds that the COI panel members and Eversheds are subject of a serious criminal complaint but the SOJP have been ordered by the same Powers to do all they can to delay, obstruct and block it. Anyone who comes here know anything about this? "
END
It says that "the COI panel members and Eversheds are SUBJECT OF a serious criminal complaint" I'm not sure that sentence makes clear sense. Can the poster or someone else please clarify.
I take this as meaning that the rumoured serious criminal complaint is against CoI panel member(s) and Eversheds.
I appreciate that this is stated to be a rumour; but if true we must ask ourselves what chance it has of seeing the light of day in Jersey?
Certainly if the CoI plays ball to the authority's satisfaction.
Just guessing. But this is the Bowron police state we live in.
'A friend of mine who works for the Powers That Be tells me of a rumour doing the rounds that the COI panel members and Eversheds are subject of a serious criminal complaint but the SOJP have been ordered by the same Powers to do all they can to delay, obstruct and block it. Anyone who comes here know anything about this?'
ReplyDeleteThe comment about the 'criminal complaint' does not make it clear whether or not it is the alleged 'criminal complaint' or the Inquiry report that is to be delayed etc. If I recall Emma Martins made an attempt to scupper the Inquiry with alleged Data Protection issues which Eversheds and Frances Oldham were quick to dismiss and correct.
Let's not forget we are dealing with a highly experienced law firm, and a well respected panel of a QC and two professional experts in child care. I have faith that they will deliver and any attempt by the SoJ, the SoJP or any individual to try and thwart this will look highly suspicious.
Let us not forget the survivors who are awaiting the justice that is long overdue.
I thought it was Stuart Syvret who was tweeting that Eversheds, the panel of the QC and literally everybody else of legal capacity connected was conducting a criminal whitewash?
DeleteSome readers comment about Strasbourg, and why I haven't pursued a case to the European Court of Human Rights.
ReplyDeleteThese matters have been explained ad nauseam - but so many people - on all sides - remain determined to never embrace issues of law its rarely worth re-stating the facts. But, here goes - again.
To have any effective - lawful - real - right-of-appeal, up the hierarchy of a court system, it is necessary - an unavoidable pre-condition - that the court-of-first-instance must - in-itself - be a lawful, Article 6 compliant tribunal.
One cannot - for example - bring into a case at appeal-court level evidence, issues, arguments, testimony - etc. - that was not dealt with in the proceedings by the court-of-first instance.
And if a court-of-first-instance has deemed in directions-hearings that X or Y matters - and A or B evidence - are excluded, then those matters cannot be re-introduced at appeal. Thus - if a fundamentally ultra vires - politicised - frankly corrupt - court-of-first-instance - as is the stark case in Jersey - essentially “rigs” the proceedings at the very outset - the task of an appellant is futile.
Of course, the justice-system would object to that analyses by saying “but, if a court-of-first-instance was so corrupt, so politicised, the party could appeal on those very grounds - say, breach of human rights - or abuse-of-process. So in the rare and unlikely occasion of a first-instance court being corrupt - the safe-guard is there.”
There would be merit in that argument - except in the bizarre case of Crown-Dependency tax-havens such as Jersey - where the very self-same politicisations, corruptions and functional-incompetence apply to every indigenous tier of the “courts”. That that is so - is so plain it needn't detain us; consider only the stark - and thus unlawful - confliction of the “court” that heard the defamation claim by Deputy Trevor & Shona Pitman. Or the simply remarkable - wholly damning - words of Sir Geoffrey Nice QC in his lecture to Gresham College on the 8th May 2013.
So, consider the position of the poor, doomed, appellant - out of the toxic, comically overt, gangster operation that is the Jersey “judicial system”?
The European Court of Human Rights operates upon what is termed the “Fourth Instance Doctrine”, which means the ECtHR will not substitute its view of the “facts” for that of a national court - and nor will the ECtHR act as a “fourth-tier” court-of-appeal. The ECtHR will only consider the application in question, and consider whether the contracting state has breach the Convention rights of the applicant.
But - of course - if all the many grounds of human rights abuse - and - especially - so much of the evidence and testimony the appellant would have wished to have available - has been denied him or her by the lower courts - then a case to the ECtHR is virtually guaranteed to be futile.
If a person does not start with a “clean” system - the chances of securing real justice simply become ever-more vanishingly remote at every appeal stage.
The road to Strasbourg will not - cannot - be started in Jersey - as Jersey does not posses a remotely functional, lawful judicial system within which to found such a case. Rather, that road will begin in London - and with the parties responsible for the collapse in the rue-of-law in Jersey as the defendants.
Stuart Syvret.
ReplyDeleteAt the person agove about the Hospiatal consultant posts @23.05
Mmmmm, this is a clever piece of writing. The Hospital Consultants get between £90 to £160k per year linked to NHS rates. Obviously they pay less tax. This being the case how did one consultant ( employed full time by the States health service ) put £1,000,000 in his bank account for a years private work.
A very nice guy by the way, I have met him, but this does raise the question how much of his day job time, is being sacrificed for his private clients ?
Can anyone tell me what happened with the Option B farce and Ozouf's call for a legalised fascist State today. Been in Guernsey and could not listen.
ReplyDeleteYes, why nothing on news sites. Surely the States didn't go for any of this? Could someone even give the bare results?
DeleteHey Voice could you give us the numbers please?
DeleteThe so-called "option B plus" hasn't been debated yet. Senator Ozouf's amendment (which I support) to maintain the Island-Wide mandate was debated and the vote lost. He lost by the vote of "the silent Assassins."
DeleteHe asked Members who were going to vote to scrap the most democratically elected Members to speak on the amendment, to have the courage of their convictions. Only 14 members spoke and I'm not sure all of them were voting against.
It has to be said that Senator Ozouf's speech, in my opinion, was the best speech of the day and he clearly won the argument. Alas he lost the vote to the cowardly silent assassins.
The Island-wide mandate isn't worth keeping and is a block to democratice reform UNLESS we can find away to ake ALL States members elected on an Island-wide vote AND have just one class of member. If Ozouf was interested in democracy - which he isn't - that is what he would have proposed. Surprised you support him yet not Lewis. Thay are both only interested in cementing power for the rich and big business.
DeleteI didn't say that I support Senator Ozouf. I said I supported his amendment and believed he won the argument today but was a victim of the Silent Assassins. These (Silent Assassins) are the people who should bare the brunt of the voters anger, not those who you, or I, might disagree with.
DeleteAt least those who speak up, have the courage of their convictions, and are ready to be counted. It's those who say nothing during States debates but religiously push the voting button they've been told to push are the real danger to democracy. The Silent Assassins are the trouble in the States.
I got the impression that the Andrew Lewis and Sam Mezec P133 partnership will win easy tomorrow.
DeleteSadly I got that impression also.
DeleteSmarmy Lewis keeps on saying they owe reform to the Voters like the savior of democracy whilst Reform Jersey foot stamp.
DeleteWhat about his debt to the victims of historic abuse?
The man is evil.
Lyndon Farnham may of swayed this and what great result for many people on here.
DeleteSurely P133 winning tomorrow is the best way forward for getting rid of those Silent Assassins....
ReplyDeleteLets face it those Silent Assassins are never ever likely to vote for Christmas!?
Have the members of the States Complaints Board resigned en masse yet, in response to our bunch of gangsters surviving the vote of no confidence?
ReplyDeleteSurely their positions are untenable now? The Complaints board said that the SEB should be censured. The States has ignored this. Surely the complaints board - honourable, educated, unpaid volunteers that they are - should all resign in protest now?
There's no hope for truth and justice in this island...although I suspect Dr Alwitry will play a blinder in court, that is if they do not settle on the court steps like the weasels that they are.
p.s. Bailhache repeatedly referred to Dr Alwitry as 'Dr Alwitra' - the brand of roofing membrane - during the debate yesterday. How disrespectful does he have to be?
What was the no confidence vote? Out delivering.
DeleteYou just know the mistake was a deliberate insult too.
DeleteTime all of us who actually care about what is happening realise that today has confirmed that we are living in a Potemkin Village - a Judicial/Banking Mafia state disguised as a democracy. We need to take to the streets, pacifists or not, a revolution. And while I'm sounding off we don't need Wolfie Mezec if he is going to thrown in Reform Jersey's lot with a snake like Deputy Lewis. We need politicians of stature, force, balls, brains and commitment to fairness and integrity. I'll say again what others have in the last couple of years. I would like Deputy Pitman back. This lot are with about 3 or 4 ommissions a complete shower of sh*t. Some of the speeches today are hideous and cringworthy.
ReplyDeleteThis is a warning about Big Brother online.
ReplyDeleteMind you what this man allegedly said went way too far.
http://www.itv.com/news/channel/update/2017-02-02/man-arrested-for-grossly-offensive-comments-about-refugees/
He was crazy writing that stuff.
DeleteMaybe even the Troll of a 1000 avatars had better start watching himself, a Kaz81?
DeleteHas the debate finished on Lewis' joke of a 'reform'? heard the sitting has concluded?
ReplyDeleteWhat a result!!!
ReplyDeleteLewis's P133 is dead in the water after Farnham's proposition winning.
Justice at last.
But the downside is we may be getting an even more convoluted, confusing cementing of what the right wing numpties want: the staus quo of a private club for the country parishes and rich.
DeleteThis was Reform Jersey's fault for getting into bed with Andrew Lewis.
DeleteTo quote - 'will lessons be learnt'?
No. It is the fault of the 40 plus imbeciles who constitute the States. It is hardly all Reform Jersey's fault. That is something only a RJ obsessed troll might claim.
DeleteGood that Tadier pointed out what has been highlighted by someone on Rico's blog. This being that Syvret scuppered the implementation of Clothier with the bull he spouted on his parish tour all those years ago. I know he is trying to re-write history on this in attacking Sam Mezec and the former Deputy of St Mary but it is true.
DeleteDon't start attacking me with childish name calling because a debate has not gone Reform Jersey and Andrew Lewis's way.
DeleteI am not even able to vote for Reform Jersey living in St Peter so I am impartial.
Anyone who doubted this is the worst States Assembly of all time they surely have had their eyes opened now. Talk about being worried about Killer Clowns!
DeleteThe anonymous @17.08. Reading the 17.01 comment I don't think you are being being a troll. But it is an illogical and silly comment. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they must support Reform either.
DeleteAll this troll calling, childish name calling, quotes like 'people talk out of their backsides' is something Reform Jersey has to work on stopping. Its caused a lot of ill feeling on here and elsewhere, and the idea that Andrew Lewis was involved from the start caused anger by many people.
ReplyDeleteThis result was always on the horizon because of the way Reform Jersey went about it, and they need to learn from it.
The States have just voted to make our electoral system even worse and you (17.22) just keep banging on about Reform Jersey. The blame lies with the sizeable majority who have just voted for this corporate state. You can't hang it all on the three stooges no matter how much you dislike them.
DeleteSo...
ReplyDeleteNow we have Parish Constables
We have Island-wide Senators
We have Super-constituencies
But only Deputies will be Super-constituency representatives (parish Constables won't do SC work believe me)
This is far, far worse than what we have now.
Somebody brave enough should lodge a proposition on Monday calling for agreement that all 49 members resign en mass.
F***ing unbelievable! We are governed by lunatics
Try explaining all of this if you are thinking of knocking on people's door as a candidate come 2022.
DeletePolitics in Jersey is a waste of time. It really is a club for the already powerful. Ordinary working people count for nothing. Worst of all it evidently can't be broken. jersey will be bankrupt in ten years but most simply don't care.
DeleteFGS.
ReplyDeleteYesterday P133 was the worst result and today it sounds like a compromise.
We have reform so lets move on.