Monday, 12 March 2018

Chief Minister To Seek Re-Election


Chief Minister Ian Gorst.

Jersey's Chief Minister, Senator Ian Gorst, has declared his intention to put himself, once more, before the electorate and seek a third, and final term, as Chief Minister.

Last week VFC was granted an interview (video below) with Senator Gorst to discuss his decision/reasons for seeking an unprecedented third term as the head of the island's government. As an anti Child abuse campaigner I wanted to know how much his support for the Jersey Independent Care Inquiry, and its recommendations, might have hurt him politically, how can he appeal to reformers and traditionalists at the same time? How can he make the public, and States Members, aware of the atrocities which took place (for decades) in State-run "Care" Institutions when some people (and media) only want to discredit the Care Inquiry, and its panel, for ordering a Prawn Cocktail rather than the soup of the day (a-la Operation Rectangle)?


Senator Philip Bailhache

We discuss (among much more) the possibility of (long time critic of the Care Inquiry) Senator Philip Bailhache challenging the leadership role, either openly, or by proxy and what this could mean to the implementation (or not) of the Care Inquiry's recommendations should Senator Bailhache, or a proxy, be successful?

The way I see the up-coming contest for Chief Minister is a two-horse-race. It's either Senator Gorst or Senator Bailhache in the running. Who we elect, at the General Election in May this year, will decide who leads Jersey for the next four years. Who is committed to implementing the Care Inquiry's recommendations? Who is committed to reforming the States and bringing it somewhere close to the 21st Century? Who favours "The Jersey Way" and would take the Island back to the 15th Century? 


Senator Lyndon Farnham

Gorst has come in for a lot of criticism over his leadership across Social Media. One doesn't have to look far on the internet to see remarks like "get Gorst out" "Gorst is useless" "wait until the next election Gorst will be history." This is all well and good but I don't see anybody saying who he will be replaced by? So far the only other declared candidate is Senator Lyndon (Philip Bailhache by proxy) Farnham. With his track record of the Jersey Innovation fund, the Aircraft (non) registry, Condor, and so forth is he really the man to replace Gorst?

Would Senator Gorst be my first choice for Chief Minister? No. But one has to be realistic and look at the "realistic" alternative(s).

Of course this all does depend on either/both Senators Gorst and Bailhache being re-elected in May and unless there's a huge (monumental) shift in the demographic of the voter (traditional Jersey) I think it is a forgone conclusion that both will get back in comfortably. 

Hopefully readers/voters/perspective voters will find the video interview below informative and might encourage them to the polls at the General Election. Vote.je is a very useful site which explains how to get registered to vote and much more which can be found, on the left hand side of this Blogsite under the "My Blog List" banner or  it can be accessed from HERE.  










353 comments:

  1. Be interesting to see how many candidates in the election support what Sen Gorst is promising re the implementation of the Report.
    I don't just mean with casual comments - but as integral parts of their own election campaigns. Even if he goes for implementation and is elected on that basis - he will still need a strong support group of like minded members in the new Assembly.

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  2. Personally I think that after the May election regardless of who becomes Chief Minister it will be back to business as usual. The Jersey way will roll on and quite probably I believe even the already agreed referendum on removing the Bailiff will be left in the long grass and quietly forgotten about. Never mind Brexit or independence. I think we should be absorbed in to the UK and our government abolished.

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  3. Not a good idea to allow anyone not directly elected by public vote to be Chief Minister three times.

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    1. But if it's not Gorst it will be Bailhache. On that basis although I will be holding my nose I will be voting Gorst.

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  4. Gorst has kept Bailhache in office for 6 years when he could have easily sidelined him because of the Roger Holland scandal/ crime. They are two sides of the same coin.

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  5. Dep. Sam Mezec will stand as Chief Minister.
    Reform Jersey have done a deal with Dep. Tracey Vallois to vote for each other if they both go for it and either ends up I the shake up. Also another standee due to be announced with stand as Chief Minister but I am not at liberty to give a name yet.

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    1. Mezec as Chief Minister is a joke. Vallois for Chief Minister does not even merit that status. Hard to know who is the most gutless and self-absorbed.

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  6. Gorst is the goofiest Chief Minister ever. Talks like he's giving a sermon or a School Assembly, always uses the quote 'the Deputy full well knows....' an embarrassment all around so dunno why VFC supports him so much. 2 terms is more than enough.

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    1. This sentence from the main posting springs to mind in reply to your comment.

      "Gorst has come in for a lot of criticism over his leadership across Social Media. One doesn't have to look far on the internet to see remarks like "get Gorst out" "Gorst is useless" "wait until the next election Gorst will be history." This is all well and good but I don't see anybody saying who he will be replaced by?"

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    2. Kristina Moore & Lyndon Farnham are defo challenging.
      Mezec is in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks he's gonna to be the next CM.
      After some of the Social Media on Reform's record, or lack of, unless he puts on a good Hustings act he may struggle to convince.

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    3. I’m not sure you have read the main posting? The only two people who have declared are Lyndon (Philip Bailhache by proxy) Farnham and Ian Gorst. Sam Mezec, Kristina Moore, or Tracy Vallois are not officially in the running.

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    4. Its common knowledge within the States that Kristina Moore wants to be CM and its caused a rift in the COM which Sam Mezec hit on not long ago.
      Your post is only part of a the story.

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    5. The fact (not rumour from an anonymous commenter) is there are only two declared Candidates for the Chief Minister’s position. In that regard my post is the full story.

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    6. Maybe you are not as 'informed' as you think you are because this has been rumbling for 6 months.
      Talk to Mezec about Kristina Moore because you Post is only a snippet of what's going on behind the scenes.

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    7. I have not said that I think I am “informed.” I have simply reported the known fact that there are two Candidates for the Chief Minister’s position. I have heard lots of rumours of who might or might not be standing but that’s all they are. Let’s stick to the facts shall we?

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    8. Stop squabbling.
      Come on Kristina Moore as CM!!!!!!

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    9. Headphones Howie13 March 2018 at 13:16

      Moore would be a bad joke. Lazy and not very bright judging from her intervies and States speeches. Jersey politics is at its lowest ebb in history.

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  7. There's a lot of info missing from Mr McMurray's knowledge of these elections at the moment but that's because nobody will discuss things with him as they do not trust him.

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    1. @14:19
      Awwww...... Did Mr McMurray record those phone calls?

      Is that why you do not trust him?

      Poor you.

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    2. Off to Lyndan's for a free beer13 March 2018 at 19:38

      Well, the Chief Minister, who unlike mr McMurray probably, I think a useless, faux progressive who cares nothing for those wronged by our bent Jersey Way, obviously trusts Mr M. Can't see him trusting someone who runs hate sites and is still obsessed with people no longer even in politics. What say you, phone call boy?

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    3. Mr McMurray, I do like your current Featured post "Stuart Syvret Court Case Part 2"


      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/stuart-syvret-court-case-part-2.html

      This witness intimidation in support of corruption and paedophilia dates from 2011, half a decade before the £23,000,000 CoI report into the decades of abuse was published.

      The chrome plated CoI is all well and good but nothing will change as long as these criminals are left lose and the whistleblowers are persecuted.

      Such conclusions are not rocket science but that will not stop the usual suspects arguing the toss in defiance of the facts and basic common sense.

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  8. What happened to Deputy A Lewis's suspension for lying? Has he served it yet? Does anyone know?

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  9. Does anyone even care? He will get back now thanks to Gorst, Bailhache and most of all the like of the JEP.

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  10. Gorst really is useless. Why treat him as anything but? Have you ever heard him criticise the Bailiff, AG or the court everyone and his dog knows is politicised. Wouldn't vote for this coward if you paid me.

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  11. Neil, why don't you and Rico stand for election?

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  12. At least Gorst gave an interview, he is not that stupid and social media is leading the accredited paid media. Trump like him or loath him bypassed much of the leading media and went straight to the people using social media. The people loved it, the media hated it. Trump even showed them up calling out fake news. I thought Gorst gave a good election interview, but ( as always ) his snapshot remark that the economy is doing well is well just fake news. Jersey has never borrowed so much, has never let private fully states owned ( quango ) companies run riot with public assets and property at arms length from proper government. As the Auditor General says ( think locate, Digital, Jersey Finance and Jersey Tourism for starters ) in her deep report. Grants are given out but no proper accountability or research into quango results, indicates that multi million pound grants are actually producing value for money in Jersey in fact the report said the opposite took place in some cases.

    You are correct VFC voting back in Bailhache ( Maclean, Router, Farnham, Green, home affairs minister and social security in fact most of the ministers ) will only invite more of the Jersey Way for another term.

    Don't worry about phone call boy, he cannot help himself, and most people see straight through him anyway and his silly out of touch troll comments.

    Good interview VFC more please.

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  13. A good interview indeed VFC, and all credit to Senator Gorst for agreeing to participate. I cannot really decide at this moment in time exactly who to vote for. At present there are only a handful that would merit my support. However, having said that I am going to stick my neck out and say that Gorst would be one of those. Not so long ago I would not even have considered him, but in fairness, he seems to have become stronger in himself, and determined to see certain matters through to their conclusion (if he is able).

    He is strongly and passionately committed to the Care Inquiry recommendations being implemented, and I feel he is the only one who is certain to do that. What a disaster it would be if all the hard work of the Panel, and the courage of the survivors who gave evidence were laid to waste because almost without a doubt if PB were to 'take over' this will not happen.

    I am also confident in the new Children's Commissioner and Charlie Parker. They both appear to be strong and forceful, no-nonsense professionals. Not before time have we needed people of their calibre to tell Jersey where it has/is going wrong and take steps, however painful, to rectify this. Again with Gorst I feel this will happen. It will be an opportunity missed otherwise.

    This election is so very important, and as I have said elsewhere, it must be policies we vote for not personalities. Senator Gorst may not be the best, but the alternatives (especially as CM) do not bear thinking about.

    So good to have you back VFC - always a good read and debate.

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  14. Voice for children or Voice for elected members of the states, a few months a way from an election.Especially a chief minister who has so far paid lip service to the issues at hand.He was in the states when the child abuse scandal blew up and said nothing.Chief minister for two terms and what more has he done?Unbelievable that Voice has given him this space.He is part of the problem.

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    1. "Lip service" Yes that is fair comment.

      Gorst is a follower not a leader. A mere political animal.
      A *leader* would have recognised the bleedin obvious without a fake CoI and would have put justice and children's safety first at the outset.

      However Team Voice have been pretty clear that they don't "support" Gorst and his damage control modus operandi. They merely point out that Gorst is highly preferable to the alternative of the full blown Team-Cover-Up and Team-Paedo.

      Team Voice has to be realistic -and so do we.

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  15. Great news with Ozouf, Routier and the ultra useless Pryke going. Mezec should get in as a Senator now. But what a pity we can't have Trevor Pitman standing for Senator. A proper politician who always stepped up. Mezec only seems to appear on safe, non-contensious issues. As for Gorst he is an utterly weak waste of space. Terrified of Phil Bailhache, the Bailiff and Attorney General. Wish he would stand down too.

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    1. I am sure Trevor Pitman will be humbled by your support but in reality he hasn't got a hope in hell of ever being a Senator. Even a Deputy's position would be tough, being unable to deal with a JEP cartoon would be thrown back at him as it was in the Pitman's bi-elections.

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    2. Think you live in La La Land. Being brave enough to Challenge an obviously dafamatory piece of propaganda clearly meant to mislead the public is the overriding reason why I would vote for either of the Pits now, when I might not have done before. Tired of gutless, incapable canon fodder who just do the CMs bidding.

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    3. No I live in 2018 my friend and I am sorry to say that a record of bankruptcy for anyone standing will be a turn off for voters.

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    4. But 2018 Jersey is La La Land !

      Where else outside of Africa is an establishment lay-judge with a history of protecting paedophile friend invited to sit in judgement on opposition politician involved in the campaign against jersey establishment child abuse ?????

      In any lawful jurisdiction the case and the bankruptcy are void.

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    5. You mean like the six times bankrupt Donald Trump elected in the most powerful democracy in the world?

      Or the legendary Abrhal Lincoln, also a former bankrupt?

      And these two weren't victims of a court happy to have a police stated paedo protector for a jurat.

      But you do make me chuckle JH

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    6. Abe Lincoln what a guy!

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    7. 'Where else outside of Africa is an establishment lay-judge with a history of protecting paedophile friend invited to sit in judgement on opposition politician involved in the campaign against jersey establishment child abuse ?????'

      Read the detailed Judgement, it made no difference who dealt with this Libel Case, and had the Pitman's won, it would have been the first time a Politician had ever won such a case.

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    8. Ha Ha "Read the detailed Judgement" where the facts of the case were 'establish-mented' and 'written' by the bent Pederast protecting Jurat!

      You really are funny

      Indeed "it made no difference" the judgement was unsafe and is thus void. This is not debatable -it is a fact of how the law works in lawful jurisdictions outside of Africa.

      Doh !

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  16. At least Gorst has a bit of guts to stand for another election. He doesn't have to test the public by standing, but he chooses to. It stands to reason that it would be more humiliating for him to walk away, than to stand and face another election....Whatever it brings.

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  17. Gorst has been in for three terms. He was an uncaring Social Security Minister and he has proven an uncaring Chief Minister. I applaud your willingness to give airtime to people frm all sides but I still do wonder why you gave this cop out such an easy time. A question as to just what Gorst had done regarding allegations of corruption in our judiciary would have told your readers all they need to know.

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  18. How many candidates do we have so far for Senator/ I can only recall Mezec and that bloke who used to work for the JEP.

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    1. And Pallett, the useless Constable of St Brelade.

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    1. LIKE WHO? Might be 12 but 12 ain't yet declared. I think Mezec will get elected somewhere between 5th and 6th.

      In the current climate a really strong progressive candidate such as Syret once was or Pitman even now could expect to be Top 3.

      But 8th will do little Chairman Mao-zec and he can still feel pleased with himself.

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  20. Anyone know what is happening with the Rod Bryans investigation? You have to suspect its being drawn out until after the election. I mean Bryans has been awful so is already on shaky ground.

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  21. Could be the end of Bryans and Southern. The place to watch is St Brelads 2. If Truscot gets re-elected we all really should sell up and move to Guernsey. Or Zimbabwe.

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  22. MacLean
    Farnham
    Moore
    Gorst
    Bailhache
    Green
    Fergusson
    Mezec
    Pallett
    Lewis

    My order on present candidates

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  23. Did anybody listen to the Hot Seat today with the Children's Commissioner?
    Said she would only look forward and not look back at the past.

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  24. A great piece of journalism, VFC. Once again the overt inadequacy of Jersey's MSM is thrown into stark relief.

    Turning to the words and position of Ian Gorst - and I say this as someone who attempted to engage with him some years ago, and alert him to the truth - the man is pathetic.

    I e-mailed him - twice - offered to meet with him - speak with him - give him the advantage of my - hard-earned - insight into the gross systemic failings of the Jersey polity.

    He didn't even reply.

    And later - when I again wrote to him on a third occasion - concerning the ultra vires failure of Jersey's supposed "public-inquiry" to even follow its legislative-instruction (Part e of the States decision) I received an ignorant and incompetent foot-stamping brush-off.

    Ultimately, my position is this: 'the population of Jersey - especially children and women - do not presently enjoy the effective protections of the rule-of-law. What path of events are most likely to rectify that 800 + year failure - and rectify them most quickly? An Ian Gorst CM - or a Phil Bailhache CM?'

    Regrettably, it's the latter. Ian Gorst is operated by the more intelligent factions in London. Those factions know that Phil and Bill Bailhache are so toxic and compromised and frankly deranged, they and their faction represent an existential threat to the very standing and reputation of The Crown.

    That's why those 'powers' want and need an Ian Gorst-type CM - and why they know a Bailhache Brothers CM accelerates and drives forward the inevitable. That 'inevitable' being the unavoidable intervention and clean-up of Jersey by those UK authorities whose posture on the world-stage as global 'leaders' for democracy, separation of powers, the rule-of-law, human-rights, and justice - is simply non-compatible with their present support for "The-Jersey-Way".

    The maintenance of "The-Jersey-Way" is wholly non-compatible, unsustainable with the global posture of the British state.

    Gorst gives London a fig-leaf.

    By way of contrast, Functional-Phil leaves them no-where to hide.

    No hiding-place.

    Give the Jersey / London camorra what they wish for.

    Vote for Functional-Phil.

    It will force the inevitable UK state intervention on behalf of the vulnerable, far sooner than the patsy Ian Gorst

    Stuart Syvret

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    1. Please come back and help us. Jersey becomes more sickening every day. We need somebody with integrity, who actually cares and stands up against those liars.

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  25. Has Deputy Andrew Lewis done his time for lying yet?

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    1. They forced him off PAC and that was it.

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  26. Yes. But then again I am a liar so I might not have.

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  27. Hope Gorst loses his seat. An utter fake.

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  28. Is this Anthony Lewis standing for Senator and is our clueless Senator Green standing again? People mention these two but I haven't spotted any announcements.

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  29. Ant Lewis has announced he is standing for Senator. Andrew Green has said nothing yet on this front. If there is a God he won't stand.

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  30. Has Andrew Lewis changed his name to Anthony? Or is Anthony someone completely different?

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    1. Ant Lewis is the ex-JEP reporter who suffered a severe stroke. An inspirational man so most definitely not to be confused with Andrew Lewis

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  31. In the past being a member of honorary police was the the path to politics now its media mafia!!

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  32. Will Deputy Andrew Lewis dare to stand in the up coming election?

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    1. Sadly he will probably top the poll with the help of our bent mainstream media, Just hope Higgins gets re-elected as he deserves. Only one worth voting for out of whole 49.

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  33. What about Syvret and the Jersey general election? They didn't follow through on their bankruptcy process against him did they, when they dug up supposed court costs from years earlier, to make sure he didn't become a candidate in the by-elections caused by them forcing Trevor and Shona Pitman out of office? If I'm right about that, he could stand.

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    1. My understanding is that they didn't follow through, which was surprising. To make play with court processes which are not then carried through is the kind of frivolity which would attract the criticism of the court in England. But, we can understand the 'Jersey-politics' of it. The move by your establishment had the effect they desired, without the deeply negative publicity of bringing about a stale and redundant bankruptcy upon a man who is a hero in the eyes of Jersey's downtrodden. From memory, I think VFC did an interview with him around the time of the Pitman expulsion by-elections during which he was asking questions of Jersey tv media? (maybe you have a link?) I recall he explained then that he felt intimidated by the court action against him, and that it would always hang over him as a threat, a Sword of Damocles, always ready to 'dropped' every time an election came around? So he was threatened out of the democratic process, as your 'glorious' leaders desired. I expect your judicial debt collectors are gearing up to go hammering on Syvret's door any day now.

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    2. Why would Stuart Syvret want to stand again?
      He hates the States calling them oligarchy gangsters among many other things.
      He believes there is no rule of law in Jersey, it is all corrupt, so it would be hypocritical for him to be involved in the passing of laws with an Assembly he detests, and does he really want to be another a Ted Vibert?

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    3. Speaking for my part (comment at 21.48) I have no idea if he would want to stand again. It's very possible he would not, given the suppressive and sustained 'course of conduct' carried out against him by your establishment. But this discussion is theoretical. If he did wish to seek reelection, he should certainly be free to do so. He may not succeed, of course. But undoubtedly a significant cohort of Jersey voters wish to exercise their democratic right to have the opportunity to vote for him. By the establishment and maintaining of a collection of harassments, threats, and suppressions against a significant 'opposition' figure we see the qualitatively similar oppression of dissidents carried out in Jersey, as we see in Russia.

      The point is, you may hate him. Most voters may dislike him. Some voters will like him, and free and fair democracy should win-out. But you cannot have free and fair democracy when those who are serious opposition candidates are either expressly, or indirectly, through fear and threats, kept off of the ballot sheet. And I'm afraid your argument about Syvret viewing your polity as a corrupt and dangerous oligarchy is the weakest you advance. A community-minded political activist who saw your establishment as a stagnant and rotted system has, very much, a duty to oppose it. One does not contest elections only if you agree with entrenched governing culture.

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    4. Stuart has stood twice since losing his seat and has failed to get elected.

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    5. "One does not contest elections only if you agree with entrenched governing culture."

      No you form an alliance or a Party because one voice in the States historically never gets anywhere.

      Let us not lose sight that Stuart has tried to get back into the States on 2 occasions and did not succeed after a 20 year run in there. Many say a week in politics is a long time, but 20 years? If you cannot get results then your policy is either wrong or nobody agrees with you. Either way the Public will eventually lose interest.

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    6. "No you form an alliance or a Party" ....And which "party" do you suggest Einstein?

      Chairman Mou-zec or the Establishment Party????



      "Let us not lose sight that Stuart has tried to get back into the States on 2 occasions"
      ....Yes and on one he came a close second to candidate who had been given a massive platform in the states media while Syvret was subjected to a massive astroturfing campaign by team paedo ......

      ......as he still is LOL


      All against a backdrop of states denial of abuse which we now know to be LIES that even Lewis would be proud of !

      What were the thick gullible voters supposed to do?

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    7. No idea why you are so rude and aggressive.
      If it helps, 20 years is plenty of time to get things done and if you can't it is time to let somebody else have a go.

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  34. Syvret for all of his faults will forever remain a Legend. Just like Trevor and Shona Pitman. We need people like them who will always stand up for the ordinary man and woman, and refused tobe bullied in to silence by Bailiffs unlike most. When I read about yet another DJ going to stand I don't know to laugh or cry. We are surely doomed.

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    1. Very true. The fact that the Pitmans could not stand come May (all right they probably wouldn't want to anyway) and Syvret is too worried about the courts doing the same number on him if he tried is scandalous. Who said the Jersey way is weaker than it was?

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    2. Standing up for people is one thing but actually achieving something for them is another.

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    3. Actually achieving something for people is quite a tall order when up against the thick brick wall of the bent child abusing establishment.

      Don't you think?

      Obviously not, Telephone Boy


      Jersey is screwed !

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  35. Need to concentrate on who is standing and forget those who are not.

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    1. Actually we need to concentrate on those who have been prevented from standing by bent courts, bent Jurats and abuse of legal process.

      Unfortunately most of the candidates who are actually standing can be ignored because they are a waste of space.
      (Higgins and a few others excluded)

      I think we can ignore all the obvious Telephone Boy comments LOL

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  36. Amazing factual information website giving information on candidates, how sitting politicians voted and more can be found lodged here.

    http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4093.msg61775#msg61775

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  37. Am I hearing it right that Sham Mezec went against re-trials?

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  38. Why are so many Establishment figures bailing out now? Reckon the new Treasury Minister whoever he or she is will open his/her office to find a note: 'Ha, ha - sorry it was all spin. There's no cash left!'

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  39. WTF wants to join the States?
    The money is mediocre, the power is an illusion, the scrutiny for making decisions is manic and your life is *&^%. Surprised anybody wants to stand at all.

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    1. A lot of people do it because they cannot get a job.

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    2. That's a fair point. Just think Ozouf,Farnham, Bailhache, Gallichan, Rafault, Truscott, Bryans, Luce, Norton, MacLinton and so many more. I'm thinking real jobs of course. And to think they used to critcise those who had to give up real careers.

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  40. This election is shaping up to be plain weird with all the quitters. Still think Shento will crawl out of the woodwork with so many going as he will know he could get back now.

    Love to see an interview or two with the likes of the Pitmans and Wimberley as to their insights on how things will pan out. How we could do with their sort now,

    Its going to be like Year 6 at school come the last week of May.

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    1. 'Year 6 at school come the last week of May?' You are being very generous. More like Year 3 if Bailhache is still there trying to turn the clocks back to the 13th Century.

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  41. Bailhache is in his PR teams failing scandal sheet today, the Filthy Rag, describing himself as civilised in relation to Russia and its right-wing political oligarchs. Just what planet does he live on?

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  42. Mao-zec should come 4th now with the drop outs. Can only see the far right candidate Ballsache, dopey Moore with a misguided womens vote, dullard Farnham with rich chums vote coming ahead of the new blood boy. What a shame he is so big headed, gutless and generally useless.

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  43. Anybody watched the latest Reform Jersey candidate videos, because I am sure its the same promises as last time, the time before that and the time before that by other Progressives.

    Affordable Housing, Immigration Control and less poorer people.

    Can't they be honest for at least this Election and admit its impossible to change any of this and we need the rich to pay for the poor anyway?

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    1. Why just pick up on Reform Jersey in this respect?
      At least they are reasonably honest about what they would like to achieve.

      With the culture of cover up, perhaps we need the Establishment Party candidates to admit that they think that we need the disadvantaged children to 'pay' for attracting the rich to the island?

      https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/boats-and-child-abuse/

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    2. I hope you gave evidence to the Care Inquiry with these claims and didn't write them to only gain dust on a Blog. With regard to Establishment candidates admitting something, who? the contingent of 2018 or the old faces of 2008? All the old dinosaurs of the past have left the States. Ian Gorst apologised but really he was apologising for others, many who are dead.

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    3. Why should ANYONE give evidence to the "Care" Inquiry which engineered the omission or constructive exclusion of the most vital witnesses?

      It was a charade to "find no evidence of cover up"

      Even a retard could work out that there were multiple cover ups but the "otherwise intelligent" seem prepared to accept that there was not because a £23,000,000 of rent a mouth failed to find the evidence.

      The joke is on you .....
      .... shame about the further generations of kids that this puts at risk.

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    4. Why do you answer with so much anger and venom, what is wrong with you?
      The Care Inquiry was a free for all. Anybody could have offered evidence within reason, anybody could have submitted a Statement and anybody could have written themselves into history even anonymously by taking part. If people shunned it then that was up to them, but it is a waste of complaining afterwards.

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    5. "what is wrong with you?" asks 18:36

      Well *nothing* really.
      Anger and disgust are perfectly common reactions to child abuse, corruption and cover-up.
      In most normal people this reaction is almost visceral and does not even require any intellect.

      For this not to occur to you means that child abuse & cover-up are your 'normal'.


      Further you say "it is a waste of complaining [about the fake CoI] afterwards"

      Well, here's the thing:

      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jersey-child-abuse-committee-of-inquiry.html
      "Jersey Child Abuse Committee of Inquiry A Fake, Partial, Incompetent?"

      This link rather proves also that *it is a waste of complaining beforehand*

      In fact it was all rather a waste of time (+money) and a missed opportunity

      Don't you think?

      A real CoI would have been much cheaper.
      The joke is on the taxpayer

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    6. I do not comprehend your angry and insulting tone.
      Hundreds of people gave evidence to the COI and even I gave a Statement so do not even try to judge others on here, because do not know anything.
      Everybody who had something to say took advantage of their chance to do so.
      So they did not miss the opportunity at all.
      Believe it or not this Inquiry has already shown a better future for the children of this Island and only the serial haters cannot see it. Your assumption that it is all fake is not what Survivors say to me.

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    7. Which survivors are these?

      A real CoI would have been much cheaper.

      Follow the money!

      But if you are happy paying for a BMW and getting a Trabant then there is probably not much you comprehend TBH

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  44. Year 6 is to check the following for the 'feral' use of punctuation

    "Although Jersey is a self-governing jurisdiction, which makes its own laws and sets its own tax rates and so forth – like a mini-nation state, – it is, effectively, a single-party state. 98% of political candidates run for office as so-called 'independents'.

    How this manifests itself in practice is, of course, a de facto [ultra] Conservative [Tea] Party – operating on a covert basis working to hidden agendas. Moreover – the ‘cultural’ resistance to political parties has been very carefully nurtured and promoted by the island’s media over the decades – particularly the Jersey Evening Post.

    The reason for this is obvious to anyone upon a moment’s reflection.

    With political parties the voting public actually have a clear choice concerning which political philosophy and manifesto of policies they will be governed by. The electorate has power.

    And that is the very last thing that the Jersey oligarchy wants to see.

    Voter power, you might think, is a very foundation stone of functioning democracy. But in Jersey it is viewed as though it were the second coming of Mikhail Bakunin.

    Instead, in Jersey, people like me trawl around the election campaign trail – trying to sell our wares to the voters – usually on the basis of nothing more substantive than “Hey – I’m a nice guy – my great-uncle lived in this parish – and I like your pub - so please vote for me.”

    In my case I like to imagine I offer a little more substance – but the net result of this approach to democracy is a legislature comprised of a disjointed, directionless rabble which possesses no electoral mandate for a particular political direction or programme of policies.

    Such a lack of focus results in a “let’s make it up as we go along” approach to policy formation. Most members of the Jersey legislature, no matter how well intentioned, are just sitting around waiting to be led – waiting to be told what to do.

    And it is into this policy vacuum that the winds of power rush ....."


    The above is reproduced with kind permission of St Helier Boys:
    http://freespeechoffshore.nl/stuartsyvretblog/the-medium-is-the-massage-part-1/

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  45. So now someone cannot assert their globally adhered to right to remain silent in court as a defendant! All but 13 States Members went along with this! WTF? When will the UK intervene? And some want Maggie Moore of St Peter to be Chief Minister!

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    1. Mind-blowing. Anyone know the sensible 13?

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  46. Just watched the latest Reform Jersey promo for a candidate they are standing here in St Helier 1. Seems like a pleasant enough lady but hardly a Trevor Pitman. After such good representation when the former Deputy was in the States, likewise Deputy Martin until two or three years back to be fair, now all three of our current reps are frankly useless. Maybe Martin just ran out of steam but the other two! Labey and Wickenden do sweet FA and appear to barely be able to make a worthwhile let alone coherent speech. Bleak times. Come back Mr T!

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    1. Or stand yourself!

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    2. Quite like to. But with three young kids the wife wouldn't go for the insecurity of it. I guess mortgages put off a lot of people. Pitman, both of them, are a big miss though. Still on the brightside at least Peter Mac has realised he was soon to be history. Hope he takes Murray the beak with him!

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  47. VFC, this as a quality blog and you have standards to maintain in difficult circumstances.

    However I am surprised that you appear to have decided against publishing my reply to the "Or stand [for election] yourself!" comment.

    Anyone standing for election in Jersey should be made aware of the still unmitigated risks of standing for election if they are going to take on the establishment or the unprosecuted child abusers.

    In addition to the rehabilitation of offenders, there is other Jersey legislation which must be complied with:

    http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/p192016-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing.html

    But my comment did not specifically identify any particular well known perpetrator.

    I can understand a desire not to mock the afflicted, but until these issues are properly dealt with it is highly appropriate to have them said?

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  48. John Le Fondre for Senator? Dull and boring but probably has a conscience unlike Gorst. What price the horrible and uncaring Pinel declaring next now there is a bit of room? I half think Higgins should risk a pop. He is the best of what there is by a mile.

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    1. I recall Le Fondre opine in a public forum that States Members should be paid according to their salary before they entered the States. I challenged him on the basis of equal pay for work of equal worth - a concept he obviously had no understanding of. Does he now? Also, my concern was for female candidates who had taken time out to rear children from well paid jobs. Under his proposals they would have served as politicians in an unpaid capacity while their hussbands/partners would have received a salary. The man was a sexist and anti-working class numpkin. They do say a leopard does not change his spots......

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  49. Does any reader know where these 12 Reform candidates are standing? I heard they will have one here in St. Clement but can't find any confirmation.

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    1. Not sure that they have announced them all yet but this web site seems to be the best source of up to date impartial information about who is standing and where:-

      https://flow.je/elections/2018

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  50. Can we expect a new post soon? Would be a shame to lose momentum after those five months away.

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  51. Where are Trevor and Shona Pitman at this present and relivant moment in time ? With elections soon upon us these two (through experience ) could surely let the good honest and enthusiastic people standing for the May elections know if it's worth it or not. It would be so good for us, and others if The Pitmans came forward and be interviewed by Citizen Media and let us know why they are not standing.

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    1. I too would love to see the Pitmans speaking before the election. Better still both of them putting themselves forward. They would both top the poll IMHO if they returned to their old didtricts. Trevor P would undoubtedly get in as a Senator if he tried too, experience and gravatas that no one else from the left can offer.

      What I really came on to comment about though was in regard to would be Senator Kristina Moore and as it happens Shona Pitman. In today's JEP the miserable faced Home Affairs Minister is waxing lyrical about the police becoming accountable.

      So could I, through your pages, ask Moore to explain this accountability stance with her dismissing the fact that Pitman had been knocked down by a driver in front of witnesses. And yet the police not charging the driver responsible and even refusing to give the poor lady details of the man for many months? I think it was only this blog that got the information released?

      All Moore could answer to States questions was that "this is a lady we all know". Just how accountable are our police under you then Minister? Or does it just depend who you are? Just pre-election hogwash IMHO.

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  52. The panel, consisting of Deputy Kevin Lewis, Deputy Simon Brée, Senator Sarah Ferguson and Chairman Deputy John Le Fondré, asked the Chief Minister if he accepts that he failed to deliver these fundamental parts of his strategic plan?

    Senator Gorst disagreed, saying the new retail tax, which the States assembly agreed to in the last budget debate, fills the hole that was left after politicians kicked out a health tax ………………..

    So that is it one tax replaced with another which will be passed on to the customer.

    Give us all strength with these incompetent politicians ?

    https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/what-has-chief-achieved/?t=i#.WroFnWaZPOQ

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  53. Why does it seem that we have lost two of our most talented, would if they could be politicians, in their prime of life ? Is this because of The Jersey Way? Talking of course about Pitman and Syvret.

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  54. Banning of US Journalist
    This manipulation of justice has even seen the contrived banning of a respected US journalist, Leah McGrath Goodman, from the island once it became apparent she was researching child abuse cover-ups and the island links to Jimmy Savile. A ban only lifted following the intervention of UK MP John Hemming and an international petition campaign initiated by Deputy Trevor Pitman himself. Trevor Pitman states that along with two other political ‘backbench’ colleagues the number of complaints alleging corruption received from members of the public has reached deeply disturbing proportions in recent months.

    Legal System - Corruption
    These complaints have included alleged tampering with court transcripts; destruction of and refusal to look at evidence; inconsistency in sentencing; and even perjury and collusion between lawyers. The recently leaked 'Barton Report' of a disciplinary hearing involving police at the centre of the illegal bugging allegations in the ‘Drug Baron’ Curtis Warren case even revealed claims of falsified and unsigned statements being presented instead of original documents.

    Yet the Deputies say the cold, hard evidence of the justice system being in desperate need of external investigation; and the depth of the obstacles facing victims of the cover-ups was only brought home to them after they pursued the island’s only, and hugely influential, pro-establishment newspaper, the Jersey Evening Post to court for defamation along with one of its millionaire clients. The newspaper and its estate agent client Broadlands had mocked the couple after Trevor Pitman’s election, falsely claiming they had increased their salary four-fold by entering politics when in reality they had taken a drop in income of thousands.

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  55. ‘At the bottom line’, conclude the Deputies, ‘if these failings are allowed to continue, if successive Bailiffs and other Crown Officers can allow an individual who refused to look at evidence against a predatory paedophile yet supported him – to sit as a Jurat for 14 years; including on subsequent cases of abuse what hope, we ask, have the victims of Jimmy Savile and the Haut de la Garenne child abuse scandal of getting justice here? What hope has any ordinary citizen who rocks the Establishment boat? The answer must be a resounding none. It is time the UK government stepped up to the plate and fulfilled its obligations. Should they not do so then it can only be concluded that Westminster must be complicit in all of this.’

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  56. It is quite clear that a Mistrial should be called in our case as it has not been compliant with Article 6 (the right to a fair trial) of the European Convention on Human Rights. I am learning of more people suffering serious legal abuses on an almost weekly basis. In fighting for justice ourselves we hope we are also giving hope to all others utterly betrayed by a justice system that is meant to protect everyone but which does not. We will endeavour to help anyone else we can. Indeed, we will fight all the way to Strasbourg if necessary until Jersey gets its judicial system in order’.

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  57. The only way the UK Government are going to step in is when The Jersey Way Sir Philip becomes Chief Minister. So as SS says. Let it happen.

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    1. Can even a place as bent as Jersey be stupid enough to let this happen though?

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    2. I’m sorry but this is nothing short of dillusional ... it ain’t going to happen ... not even if Putin was our chief minister!!!
      Ian Gorst has done a fantastic job in pushing through the abuse inquiry recommendations and in bringing proposals to reforms our antiquated civil service ... he has appointed an INDEPENDENT children’s commissioner ... which many nay sayers said would never happen ... and, no matter how much this may be galling to some, he is a true reformer.
      I support these reforms and as a consequence I will be voting for Gorst. There is no credible alternative ... least of all Philip Bailhache particularly given his history wrt child abuse. We have to move forward, not backwards, slow as it at may be.

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    3. Gorst is a very weak individual. Completely incapable of holding the real culprits like the Bailhache brothers and Birt to account out of fear. A reformer by no stretch of the imagination. If he loses his seat it will be the first good thing to come out of this worst ever States.

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  58. The struggle between Left and Right dominate the political topography in most countries.

    This is not that relevant in jersey where the right rule the roost under the cover of an establishment party made up of "Independents"

    With the Child abuse cover-up (and arguably the fake COI) Jersey is still mired in a far more basic between Right and Wrong

    Wrong clearly still has the upper hand - though *hopefully* with less tragic consequences than in the past few decades.



    Enough of that for the moment. As some light relief please allow me to post this video giving an unusual take on Left and Right

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=avPPAMaKaP0&list=PL22J3VaeABQDIQXJiFTohq5Wup0fXrqjp&index=4

    "visceral politics" " the biological underpinnings of our political decision-making"


    Canadian TV seems to have got Prof. Peterson to do a particularly robotic delivery.
    A sort of atheist priest.

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    1. Left and Right 2:

      https://youtu.be/nk7xO7SrwlE?list=PL22J3VaeABQDIQXJiFTohq5Wup0fXrqjp

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  59. So Terry McDonald is going? After 4 years of silence most didn't even know he came.

    Sadly I bet our district now gets the dopey establishment wannabe Mary O Teeth-Hambuger

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    1. I've known Mary and her ex husband for many years and she genuinely cares about the welfare of young people. Far from dopey either if you look at her qualifications.
      A couple of people on this blog show real malice against others sometimes.

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    2. Really? Please give details if there are any.

      I'm afraid that from what little I have seen of O'Cheese-Burgher she "genuinely cares about the welfare of young people" as much as Bellyache does.

      In her own words:
      "Jersey doesn’t need reform it needs strengthening."

      WTF?

      source: www.vote.je/portfolio/mary-okeeffe-burgher/

      Not a Bailhache Babe ?

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    3. You cannot be serious!
      This was the candidate that wanted to reduce the Jersey average working age from 46 to '17 or 18',at the last senatorials.
      Easily achieved if you cull over 50's and employ child labour. Barking!

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    4. "Jersey doesn’t need reform it needs strengthening."

      One Cheese-Burgher short of a picnic?

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    5. You prefer Jimmy Perchard's cousin then?

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  60. It is highly likely that neither Gorst or Bailhache will even get reelected let alone get the CM position. So predictions for May elections Chief Minister on here would be interesting. Starting with Tracy Vallois.

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    1. I’m sorry to differ, but there is no absolutely no doubt that Gorst and Bailhache (if standing) will both get re-elected and that they will most likely come in in first and second place.

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  61. VFC has Rico stopped blogging forever?

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  62. Usually had a lot more declarations by now but never before so many ducking out. What does it all mean VFC?

    My Senatorial predictions on those declared so far.

    Farnham
    Moore
    Le Fondre
    Gorst
    Bailhache
    Green
    Mezec
    Ferguson
    Pallett
    Ant Lewis

    Would only vote for Le Fondre myself but there you go.

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  63. Green, Ferguson nor Bailhache have not even declared that they are even standing yet.

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    1. But stand they will.

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    2. Gorst has declared. Don't you even read the JEP and his third term cream?

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  64. You have updated your other blog, voiceforjersey, as a reminder of the quality of candidates regarding the important election in a couple of months.

    I have commented regarding Montford Tadiers speech.

    Valuable information again provided by VFC and Rico Sorda while the local accredited media ( JEP) mess about with fictional rubbish of 5 political parties that do not exist.

    http://voiceforjersey.blogspot.com/2018/03/voiceforchildren-deputy-montfort-tadier.html

    BB

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    1. Thank you BB & VFC

      The direct link to the original blog and comments is:
      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/deputy-montfort-tadier-speech-p202015.html

      The point in the video/audio where the Bailiff's stand in attempts to stop Mr T from reading extracts from a public domain official report is:
      https://youtu.be/RIGEDKSL3zU?t=1560

      Just this one titbit gives the lie to the Bailhache claim that their behaviour and judgement was always of a high standard and did not need investigating.

      The sad thing is that after all the blood sweat and tears the half baked CoI only scratched the surface and constructively avoided the most important areas.

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    2. Stating a small fraction of the blinkin' obvious does not come cheap.

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    3. The Speaker comes unstuck as he tries to save Bailhache from the truth and nothing but the truth.

      Served up by Deputy Tadier with the finesse of heat seeking missile in the States. Go to 23 minutes into the video.

      Copied from the link above

      https://youtu.be/RIGEDKSL3zU?t=1560

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  65. I do hope Team Voice will be around to tell us the truth about the coming election and candidates. We don't want to give the discredited local MSM free rein to smear all the good candidates and promote the usual bunch of pro-rich elite poodles. They have gotten away with this for too long over the decades when you consider our Jersey's finest from L Brocq to Pitman(s) have been misrepresented. If only we had a second, fully independent newspaper.

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  66. Anyone know if Sean Power is to attempt a comeback?

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    1. Where is Monty Tadier standing?

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  67. All buttoned up and ready for action3 April 2018 at 12:12

    Is Rod recently stepped aside as a minister with no explanation Bryans standing?

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  68. BREAKING NEWS?

    EX-SENATOR SYVRET RUMOURED TO BE STANDING FOR SENATOR

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    1. He cannot stand, barred for 7 years since going to Prison in late 2013.

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    2. He would be chased for Court debts anyhow if he went back onto a wage.
      They have kept it hanging over him.

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    3. Shame. But could be even worse. He could be illegally barred for 9 years like the Pitmans. Funny how someone can be caught out lying on oath to the COI and he doesn't get barred at all.

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    4. Re, 'Ex-Senator Stuart Syvret rumoured to be standing for Senator'.

      There isn't an atom of truth in the suggestion.

      Not least - because as other commentators have stated - I am "legally" barred - practically and de facto - from being such a candidate due to the activities of the child-abuse and rape concealing criminal-enterprise which passes for a "judiciary" in Jersey.

      There are also other reasons.

      Not least the fact that the States of Jersey Police Force is a politically oppressive and suppressive component of the gangster-syndicates which run Jersey - and they would - again - lend their power to their gangster overlords to subject me to illegal raids carried out without a search-warrant - again.

      Jersey is not - nor ever has been - a real democracy. Rather, it’s all fake; a Potemkin-village - a liminal quasi-realm - very useful to the British camorra.

      I am in constant fear for my life.

      If they felt there was the remotest chance of me being re-elected - these people would murder me.

      Just as they murdered a vital, core witness in 2015.

      A murder for which the States of Jersey Police Force have refused to even take a formal statement of criminal complaint.

      Even though it’s pretty obvious who the Jersey mafia instructed to do it – and the ‘methodology’ employed.

      Jersey will not become a democracy until the Act-of-Settlement is amended.

      Stuart Syvret.

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  69. "He [Syvret] cannot stand, barred for 7 years since going to Prison in late 2013"

    The Ex Health Minister and 'Father of the House' went to prison for refusing to take offline the leaked copy of the police report into the spate of suspicious deaths of vulnerable patients in Jersey's hospital.

    But don't worry about your children, your elderly parents and family or your suicide prone teenagers. I'm sure that Mr Syvret was just as wrong about this as he was about children in Jersey care being abused.

    There were years of rabid denials of Jersey child abuse.

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    1. I will never understand why he never took the contents of his Blog to the Care Inquiry.
      Prison time was a big price to pay for keeping it going.

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    2. I will never understand why a "Care Inquiry" would fail to obtain evidence from the Ex Health Minister and pivotal whistleblower.
      £23,000,000 was a big price for the public to pay for the CoI *not* to do it's job

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    3. Mr Syvret applied to the "Care Inquiry" for legal representation -THIS WAS REFUSED
      Mr Syvret is not known for being a man who is behind the curve, and he has given his reasons (at least some of them) for not giving his evidence without representation.

      Telephone Boy and the rest of the States communications apparatus would claim otherwise but when there has been enough time for things to shake out Mr Syvret has generally proved to be bang on the money.
      There are a few things he appears to have been wrong about - like underestimating the resistance of the UK to bringing the City's "back office" into line

      It is indeed very disappointing that Ex Health Minister Syvret did not give his evidence to the "Care Inquiry"

      You and I have little appreciation of the threats (legal and otherwise) that Mr Syvret was subjected to
      so all of the "wouldn't you have thoughts" sound rather glib, especially if the 'thinker' has not made even a fraction of Mr Syvret's sacrifices.

      The CoI was employed to do a job. Mr Syvret's job ended when he ceased to be a States Member, everything else he has done is pro bono.
      Mr Syvret is not thick - a real Child Abuse Inquiry would not have refused him legal representation.

      Regrettably the only logical conclusion is that it was set up to fail.

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    4. Without raking over too much old ground.
      Stuart Syvret as an ex States Member really had a duty to give evidence despite their refusal to give Legal Representation. However what is done is done, and no matter what reasoning he gives there will always be people who will claim he never had anything of worth to actually give. But he's allowed that thinking to occur by being the only person not to take the stand.

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    5. "Regrettably the only logical conclusion is that it was set up to fail."

      No it wasn't and you are only saying that because one person refused to take part.
      This new Children's Commissioner is doing very well so far.

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    6. @16:23 "you are only saying that because one person refused to take part"

      Only one person?
      Who was that, *Mike Pollard* perhaps?
      It certainly was not the the ex Health Minister.

      I quote:
      "Mr Syvret applied to the Care Inquiry for legal representation -THIS WAS REFUSED"

      Which part of that didn't you understand?


      @15:46 "[Syvret] the only person not to take the stand."
      Nice try @15:46, but that is blatently unrtue LOL


      I think we should quote Mike Pollard's whistleblowers policy, don't you.

      It still stands unless the Children's Commissioner has issued an update.

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    7. I said "Regrettably the only logical conclusion is that it was set up to fail."

      There are many reasons for that being the only logical conclusion.
      Thank you for the opportunity to start listing them.

      Reason #1
      A £23,000,000 Inquiry into decades of covered up child abuse FAILS to find any evidence of cover up


      Work it out Einstein.

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    8. There's a comment which is useful to focus upon in order to broaden public understanding of the legal issues and proper functioning of the rule of law. On the 3rd April, at 14:20 a comment says:

      "I will never understand why he [Stuart Syvret] never took the contents of his Blog to the Care Inquiry.
      Prison time was a big price to pay for keeping it going."

      The comment is deeply legally illiterate.

      Stuart Syvret's blog, just as with the rest of the Jersey blogs, constitutes evidence already in the public domain, and which evidence was readily accessible to the Jersey child-abuse public inquiry. Thus it did not require Syvret, nor the authors of other blogs, to 'take their evidence to the public inquiry.'

      Rather, it was the legally binding duty of the public inquiry to include that evidence.

      A 'public authority', a 'public body' such as a statutory public inquiry is bound by law to take all 'reasonable steps' to fulfill its 'legislative purpose'. In the case of the Jersey COI that requirement meant they had to take into their processes all publicly available evidence.

      Therefore, all of the blogs which dealt with the Jersey child-abuse scandal should have been taken into the evidence gathered by the COI. It did not, and does not, require some third party to inject that evidence into the statutory inquiry process. That publicly available evidence should have been automatically incorporated by the COI.

      It was, and remains, an unlawful failure by the COI to have failed to take into account already publicly available evidence.

      It was not Stuart Syvret's task to take the contents of his publicly available blog to the COI. Rather, it was the task of the COI to take into account and include that public evidence.

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    9. "I will never understand why he [Stuart Syvret] never took the contents of his Blog to the Care Inquiry.
      Prison time was a big price to pay for keeping it going."

      The comment is deeply legally illiterate.

      Stuart Syvret's blog, just as with the rest of the Jersey blogs, constitutes evidence already in the public domain, and which evidence was readily accessible to the Jersey child-abuse public inquiry."

      I'm afraid that is incorrect because the Care Inquiry was asked at the time about evidence on Blogs, and they said that they took no notice of any online Media.
      You had to present evidence in person either orally or written and be prepared to be cross examined on it.
      There was no other way to hand evidence to them.

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    10. Thank you @22:03
      So basically you are confirming that we paid for a BMW of a CoI and we got a Trabant.
      A £23,000,000 Trabant.

      An Inquiry into decades of covered up child abuse FAILS to find any evidence of cover up

      As you point out, this failure was not due to 'honest' incompetence but was done by deliberately excluding witnesses and evidence.

      The Trabant only had one destination. Lots of hand wringing on the way but the main causes of corruption and abuse carefully avoided and left in place.

      There are some who are determined to blame the failure of the CoI on anyone but the CoI themselves.

      Telephone Boy and the rest of the States communications apparatus will endlessly repeat their guff but it is interesting to learn from what happened when important witnesses DID attempt to present errr... 'unacredited' evidence. You just have to look at the treatment of Bob Hill and Trevor Pitman:

      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/jersey-child-abuse-inquiry-witness.html

      The CoI ignored, avoided or glossed over the inconvenient evidence presented to them and it continues to gather dust in their files and hidden in their near opaque website.

      The evidence on the health minister's blog (and others) remains far more accessible and is there for all time.


      A £23,000,000 Inquiry into decades of covered up child abuse FAILS to find any evidence of cover up

      Sheesh! -but some people actually want to be fobbed off.

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    11. A £23,000,000 Inquiry into decades of covered up child abuse FAILS to find any evidence of cover up
      LOL

      The CoI was set up to fail.

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    12. That's all a matter of opinion!

      If I had evidence of a cover up then I would have been banging the COI door down to show it them.

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    13. "If I had evidence of a cover up then I would have been banging the COI door down to show it them."

      Yeah, like Trevor Pitman did

      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/jersey-child-abuse-inquiry-witness.html

      What makes you think your evidence of cover up would be received and absorbed ?

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    14. 'Thank you @22:03
      So basically you are confirming that we paid for a BMW of a CoI and we got a Trabant.
      A £23,000,000 Trabant.'

      You could not expect the Care Inquiry to read Blogs.
      Jesus what would have been the final bill then?

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    15. You COULD expect the £23,000,000 Care Inquiry to do a proper job by any means possible rather than to fail as they did

      -They FAILED to allow the Health Minister legal representation

      -They FAILED to subpoena key witnesses
      (the Ex.Health Minister and many others)

      -They FAILED to adhere to the Salmon principle
      (the six cardinal principles of fair procedure under the Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1921...)

      -They FAILED to consult or adequately respond to stakeholders
      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jersey-child-abuse-committee-of-inquiry.html

      -They FAILED to treat witnesses fairly/thoroughly e.g. Trevor Pitman, Bob Hill
      (who suffered a devastating stroke shortly after)

      -They FAILED to take evidence from innumerable establishment low lives and incompetents


      However much you rev the £23,000,000 Trabant, it was still a clusterfuck of failure

      The "Care Inquiry" (as you like to call it) was set up to fail

      The £23,000,000 Inquiry into decades of covered up child abuse FAILS to find any evidence of cover up
      .......by proactively avoiding and ignoring any evidence of cover up

      Doing a proper job in place of this lawyer-fest would have been much cheaper.

      Jesus! rev that £23,000,000 Trabant .......until the wheels fall off LOL

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    16. No idea why you keep on posting these angry rants....
      You had the whole duration of the COI to confront them about all these concerns....
      The COI is done and dusted with only the recommendations to put into place....
      ....That is it....Nobody can change a thing....

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    17. "You had the whole duration of the COI to confront them about all these concerns...."

      But the fake CoI WAS confronted with these concerns:

      http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jersey-child-abuse-committee-of-inquiry.html
      "Jersey Child Abuse Committee of Inquiry A Fake, Partial, Incompetent?"

      Quote from the States Member's submission:
      "I describe the actions which have dashed my faith in you in detail in Appendix 1 but in summary:
      i) you have limited the scope of the abuse to be covered by your inquiry;
      ii) you have excluded victims from coming forward by putting out the message that the inquiry is not for them. This is an astonishing outcome for an inquiry into child abuse and is inexcusable.
      iii) in limiting the scope of the inquiry you have set aside the clearly expressed wishes of the States
      iv) in limiting the scope of the inquiry you have breached your own Terms of Reference (TOR)
      v) you have failed to consult people about the TOR as requested by the States;
      vi) you have failed to consult people on the procedures to be followed at the inquiry, as requested by the States;
      vii) You have maintained that the TOR could not be changed, when this is patently untrue.
      viii) you have undermined your relationship with stakeholders by the way you have treated them"


      It is clearly no accident that the £23,000,000 Inquiry into decades of covered up child abuse FAILED to find any evidence of cover up.

      The £23,000,000 Trabant of a CoI only had one *prebooked* destination: COVER UP
      People tried ......but "nobody could change a thing"

      It was a taxi for hire
      Rev that £23,000,000 Taxi until the wheels fall off LOL

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    18. Health Minister Syvret was the first to warn us about the child abuse on Jersey and the disfunction in Children's Services

      In March 2014 Mr Syvret was the first to warn us about the possibility of the Inquiry into that child abuse being a fake!

      http://freespeechoffshore.nl/stuartsyvretblog/the-publics-inquiry-into-the-public-inquiry-starts-here/

      It was not just incompetence. The dark hand of the abusers and their protectors booked that Trabant

      Yet some insist that the failure of the Inquiry is the fault of the very man who warned us of the likelihood of it being just another layer of cover up
      -Yeah, right

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  70. Its been announced that Bailhache is not standing.

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    1. It doesn't stand

      .......it slithers

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  71. Where was it announced that PB isn't standing?

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  72. Channel 103 and www.flow.je

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    1. If true - that Functional-Phil Bailhache is not seeking re-election - that's a disappointing development in terms of the quest to clean-up Jersey, and finally make it a safe, law-abiding jurisdiction.

      As I suggested earlier, a Functional-Phil and Barking-Bill Chief Ministership would have taken Jersey into the realms of no-longer-disguisable sociopathy. The fact the Bailhache Brothers are functional-psychopaths - whose recklessness, narcissism, sense of invulnerability, total lack of empathy, rock-like sense of entitlement, willingness to engage in unrestrained corruption, abuses-of-power - is THE thing which has brought about the end of "The-Jersey-Way". That Phil-The-Functional-Psychopath has been prevailed-upon to leave the electoral field (he and his equally sociopathic brother will continue to exercise power in other ways) serves to delay the inevitable clean-up. Which is the only reason the City-of-London Commune have required it.

      However - a slight delay is merely that; a slight delay.

      The historic inevitability of the consequences of the behaviours and corruptions by the Bailhache Brothers possess an unstoppable momentum.

      No amount of feeble, 'front-men' weasels like Ian Gorst can contain events.

      The die was cast in 2007.

      The powerless broad population of Jersey will achieve the proper protections of the rule-of-law.

      The Jersey cosa nostra set their face against the rule-of-law in 2007.

      Events - and consequences - were always, ultimately, inevitable - from that moment.

      Stuart Syvret

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  73. Must be more quango places available than we were aware of!!

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  74. Rats and sinking ships spring to mind with all of these Old Boys Club members scarpering.

    Wish I didn't have a mortgage here. Something has to be up.

    Would also echo I wish we had the likes of Pitman, Syvret et al.

    Great to see 18 party candidates but nobody with stature of these.

    Lost to us just when we need them most.

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  75. Let's hope Andrew Lewis and Green are going too.

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    1. If Deputy Andrew Lewis declares his intention to stand, and is successful, there will be a complaint submitted against him, to the Commissioner for Standards, for once more misleading the States Assembly and/or the Care Inquiry.

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    2. They will not do anything with your complaint.
      The issue has already been dealt with.

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    3. How can the issue have been dealt with since the complaint hasn't been made yet?

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    4. They have already slapped his wrist.
      It was PPC who dealt with it and he cannot be tried over the same complaint again.
      It is doubtful he will stand so I'd forget about it.

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    5. So he can carry on misleading the States as often as he likes?

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    6. Thought they all did.

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    7. Higgins, Syvret, Pitman, Tadier etc. etc. .......when have they misled the states

      We may disagree with them politically but there have always been good people in the States

      But the vehicle has always had the weak and the wicked in the driving seat.

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  76. Can't see Rod Bryans zipping in to the top 3 in St Helier 2 this time. Lazy and maker of the worst speeches since Ann Pryke.

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    1. Deputy Rod Bryans has delivered what has been hailed as the most inspirational speech ever delivered in our island's PARLIAMENT.

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    2. Hand on the Zip4 April 2018 at 12:05

      Is the rumour that Rodders and Susie P are so close chums they are planning to be running mates for Chief Minister and Deputy Chief true?

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    3. Ha ha ... I bet he thinks he’s Andrew Johnson!

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    4. Due A Dressing Down4 April 2018 at 16:26

      Perhaps once out of politics Bryans can get a job on Rainbow. Souther can be Mr Geoffery and Bryans play... Zippy?

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    5. Aahhh! Poor old Zippy. To quote one of his many memorably (awful) ramblings 'people do silly things when they are scared'.

      Says a lot that his chum Gorst took no action and made no statement just let him stand down No questions asked. Gorst all over. Weak.

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  77. Does one of the Ron and Reggie brothers standing down mean the old meddler will now rejoin his brother in Jersey's bent judiciary?

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  78. When is nomination night for the Deputies does anyone know?

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  79. Is Deputy Tadier standing in St Brelade again?

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    1. The big question is will Bryans stand? Hope not. He is useless. But when is the Standards Commissioner's report on the complaint about him going to be published? After the election no doubt.

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  81. CTV tonight Steve Luce & planning have turned down a development in St Peter that was intended for locals, now Mr Luce should stand on an island mandate if he wishes to continue as minister of this department to gain the confidence or otherwise. Last election he was unopposed, no declarations yet in StMartin although one of their residents has been declared in St Saviior No.3 district WHY , stand in St Martin & give voters a chance to oust this clown am sure you would find more support in your own "manor"

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    1. COME BACK BOB HILL5 April 2018 at 18:23

      Steve Luce is so deluded he is already offering people positions for when he is Chief Minister. Barking.

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    2. Perhaps you can persuade Stevie Ocean to drop out of the Senators and stand? You might have to pay for his body armour though? It can get quite rough out in the stix.

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  82. Anyone know if someone is standing against Murray 'Smashy' Norton? Please say there is!

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  83. Has Deputy Mike Higgins declared yet? The only one in the States who is totally fearless and tireless in standing up for what is right.

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  84. Blogger glitch: If this blog posting stays current for much longer, the number of comments will exceed 200.

    When it passes 200, readers will only see those first 200 comments unless on arrival/refresh they click on the little bit of text saying "Load more..." right at the end of the comments thread.

    NB. later replies, even replies to the first 200 comments will NOT BE DISPLAYED until AFTER that *Load more* link is clicked (several times if it reappears).

    Readers who wish to read the whole thread without omissions need to click "Load more..." (right at the bottom) until it disappears, and then read from the beginning.

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  85. Another great blog and discussion on Jersey's independent and widely trusted news site

    The discussion has strayed onto some surprising subjects. The Health Minister who was sacked for finding out and (worse revealing) that Jersey had a systemic child abuse problem believes that at least one witness to this abuse has been murdered

    "......these people would murder me. Just as they murdered a vital, core witness in 2015. A murder for which the States of Jersey Police Force have refused to even take a formal statement of criminal complaint."

    The Health Minister has not blogged since December 2015

    It seems that most readers are grateful that we had a CoI at all though many are perplexed as to how it cost so much and came up with so little of substance. It found no cover up and even chose it's words carefully regarding "the Jersey Way". The Jersey Way was not generally mentioned as such but rather "the negative perceptions of the Jersey Way". Lawyers are vague when it suits them and choose their words carefully to suit their client. The CoI has been compared to a "£23,000,000 Trabant with a prebooked destination".

    The Health Minister blogged of his concerns of this happening way back in March 2014.

    We have the usual protracted arguments between these views and those who apparently think the CoI was properly conducted and that anyway it is all that you are going to get!


    There has been the usual lively political discussion and debate about the upcoming election.
    I wonder if VFC has amended any of his views in the light of Bailhache not standing for re-election? Is Gorst still the best bet or has the landscape changed?
    Is there any chance that Higgins might put himself forward?

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    1. I remain realistic (as mentioned in the main posting). The only two declared candidates for Chief Minister are Ian Gorst and Lyndon (Philip bailhache by proxy) Farnham. On that basis it has to be Gorst.

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