Trevor Pitman
Former Deputy Trevor Pitman will need no introduction to long-time readers/viewers of VFC or the local Blog scene. Trevor, along with his wife, former Deputy Shona Pitman, both represented St. Helier Districts 1 (Trevor) and 2 (Shona).
Both were outspoken critics of "The Jersey Way" or "THE JERSEY SITUATION" and inevitably/ironically/predictably both ended up victims of it. That story is well rehearsed and not for topic of this particular Blog Posting but will no doubt be discussed at a later date. In a nutshell both were made bankrupt in a politicised Jersey Court which automatically debars them from holding political office. Subsequently they lost their seats/jobs/house and were driven from the Island (The Jersey Way). But as discussed in the video interview below, if it turns out that half the Jersey politicians are potential criminals, (discrepancies with election expenses forms) then it is deemed by the Attorney General as "not in the public interest" to prosecute (The Jersey Way).
After being forced off the Island Trevor and Shona travelled Europe and have now settled in the UK.
During (and after) Trevor's time as a St. Helier Deputy he published his own Blog (which is still available in "My Blog-list" on the left-hand side of this Blog) Called THE BALD TRUTH which later became (also available in "My Blog-list) NOT THE STATE MEDIA.
Trevor took a (5 year) break from Blogging and, we are pleased to say, has decided to return and is launching a new Blogsite. The launch date is Wednesday 7th August 2019 and we will add it to "My Blog-list" as well as publish a link to it in the comments section of this posting.
With the launch of his new Blogsite in mind we interviewed Trevor a couple of days ago to ask, among much more, what topics will be covered? Has he been keeping an eye on "The Jersey Situation?" What does he think of the New States Assembly? Will he be reporting on the Independent Jersey Care Inquiry (IJCI) and the implementation (or not) of its recommendations? We discussed how far forward (back) things have come (gone) since the IJCI published its REPORT and not surprisingly he was as disgusted as we are as to how far things have gone back as demonstrated by Home Affairs Minister LEN NORMAN.
We asked if "The Bald Truth Review" will be making a return? Long-time readers/viewers will remember Trevor would regularly publish a video with a round-up of current/political affairs which proved to be quite popular with his "LEEK OF THE WEEK" and "A TREAT FOR TROLLS" not forgetting his catchphrase "If you don't do politics, politics will do YOU."
William Bailhache
Further discussed in the interview below are subjects like "discrepancies" of the current Bailiff, and former Attorney General William Bailhache, concerning his "reason(s)" for not prosecuting an alleged prolific PEDOPHILE. Once more the "official line" does not stack up and has not been questioned by the Old Media (formerly known as MSM). We ask the former Deputy if he has plans of returning to Jersey politics? How the Jersey (so-called) "JUSTICE" system is used as a tool to silence political dissent(ers) and those who attempt to get "justice" for Abuse Survivors. How Survivors are palmed off with a couple of quid instead of "JUSTICE."
We are sure Trevor's new Blog will be a welcome, and popular addition, to the Blog scene and hope readers/viewers will support it/him. A big thanks for the exclusive interview and look forward to the launch of his Blog on Wednesday 7the August 2019.
Excellent video and interview. Can't get over how relaxed the former Deputy appears. You can also call me soft but when he smiled and said how the Jersey Gangsters had tried to destroy him and Shona but as we could see they had failed I almost wanted to cheer. A good man and a bloody good politician. Very, very pleased to see him back. Thanks to you to for securing the interview.
ReplyDeleteYes have to concur. Good interview for which you deserve much credit. Trevor Pitman may be the subject here but it should be recorded too that your interviewing over the years has gone from strength to strength. Trevor manages to seem totally unfazed by what was so blatantly illegally done to him and his wife. I find that indicative of somebody obviously very strong. Articulate and humourous as I remember I was also glad to hear you ask about the BTR videos that Trevor used to feature on the Bald Truth because they were so innovative for somewhere like Jersey. Will tune in on Wednesday for certain. Possibly you or Trevor himself will give warning as to what the new blog is called assuming it is not continuing on from the Bald Truth Jersey?
ReplyDeleteTrevor is probably doing the right thing in mentioning that his return to blogging will not only cover Jersey.
ReplyDeleteThere is so much more going on out there. A lot of this impacts on Jersey too so hopefully this approach will help bring some further outside interest in the island and its goings on.
Intriguing little smile when you asked him about ever returning to local politics. Does he know something that we don't? He must certainly know that he would get re-elected with ease?
Did anyone else notice the mysteriously self-opening door behind him at one point? A sign of divine intervention perhaps?
Team Voice
ReplyDeleteJust a quick message to say thank you for getting in touch about the possibility of recording an interview. I am sorry it took so long to get the logistics aligned to pull it off. Life, as I think John Lennon once said, is what happens while you are busy making other plans! I still have a couple of things to tweak before the blog can go live but I can confirm that it will get done and be up sometime Wednesday early evening. I will post a further comment here if I may nearer the time with full details and a link.
I've just posted a critical review of Rennes' new railway station. I doubt if many in Jersey will even look at it but I try to raise the issues that are relevant wherever they occur. We can all learn from the design failures in France or anywhere else but only looking at Jersey issues is a formula for failure for anybody who seeks reform. So I'm pleased that Trevor will return to "blogging" and will have a wider view. He did of course make the proposition about Reform Day being recognised on 28 September as an important and official salute to the brave reformers of 1769. But of course nothing has yet actually happened. The "system" is still resisting although some sort of celebration is "promised" for this year!!!! 250 years after the event .... so no more important than recognising the design failures in Rennes SNCF....So it goes on. We really must recognise too that neither Guernsey nor the IOM are hotbeds of reform seeking bloggers and those Islands too have been seduced by the Finance Sector just as they were in the 1760s when smuggling dominated the economies and way of life and the Jersey Reformers "overthrew" the corrupt Royal Court and Government for a few hours here. We need to keep chipping away but when I was first arrested as a supporter of the Committee of 100 as a young idealist who thought Bertrand Russell (the truly great philosopher) had correctly worked out that civil disobedience could bring the government to its knees on Nuclear issues I was misguided. Just as I am s till a misguided idealist today....but its what we are driven to do just as others are driven in their own misguided way to make their next £millions....looking forward to your words Trevor & Shona.
ReplyDeleteJust a quick comment as its now quite late and, surprise, surprise, I have just returned from a political meeting.
DeleteVery good to hear from 'Tom Gruchy' or Mr Mike Dunn as we Progressive fellow travellers know him. I may have brought the successful proposition but Mike is the man truly responsible for dragging the hugely important events of September 28th 1769 back in to the public consciousness and deserves every credit for it. Every school pupil and student should be taught about this. Indeed, the Education Minister of the time - TWO Education Ministers I seem to recall - promised me that school pupils definitely would be so informed about its significance! Perhaps current incumbent Senator Tracey Vallois can enlighten us if any States Member will pose the question?
Keep up the good work Mike - you have a blog of genuine quality and merit far more readers which I hope a plug will send a few more of the curious toward. I will raise a glass of wine - red of course - to the next time we meet. All the best.
Interesting interview but sadly I cannot imagine Rico Sorda coming back to blogging and Stuart Syvret made his stance clear in the last post. Feels like a lot of empathy and no enthusiasm out there since the Care Inquiry but no surprise really.
ReplyDeleteTrevor, any way you can throw a spanner in the brexit works over there?
ReplyDeleteGood luck with your political work on the "mainland".
Looking forward to the blog post.
And there was I thinking that Trevor believed in democracy
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Very kind and deserved praise from ex-Deputy Trevor Pitman regarding Mike Dunn. Like Trevor I always thought that the Tom Gruchy blog was up there with this one, Rico's, Stuart's and Trevor's own in content yet from the comments appeared to rarely get the deserved credit for all the work.
ReplyDeleteTrevor does seem remarkably chilled out for someone who has been through so much legal abuse. Maybe if a little mellowed though obviously still not afraid to speak his mind he would now make an even better politician than he was? Any chance of it Trevor? I know you asked him but could he be persuaded back?
Absolutely brilliant to see this video interview, brilliant. All credit to you for securing it. I would imagine from what Trevor says that it must have taken a good deal of persistence on your part. As to the Beano's comment about believing in democracy could I ask him or her to explain it? Wasn't sure if it was just tongue-in-cheek? Whatever Trevor's faults I always thought his democratic principles were of the highest order?
ReplyDeleteI think, clearly Beano's comment was saying that to "throw a spanner in the brexit works" would be undemocratic.
DeleteIf the outcome of that vote does not stand, then why should any other ?
Thank's "How..."
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Yup indeedy, Brexit is one almighty botch-up whichever side of the fence one sits. They ought to drag Cameron back from his Carribean hidey-hole and put him in the stocks. W**ker!
DeletePeople seem to be picking up on a common theme from this interview. Trevor Pitman seems totally untouched by what has been done to him by our bogus judicial system under the likes of Birt and Bailhache. He should be bitter yet if he isn't he is keeping it incredibly well hidden. I find this quite amazing. He must be a very strong individual which I know should not be any surprise. I sincerely hope Shona has coped as well. She was and remains a huge loss to those of us who live in Number 2 district. The new Reform Deputies are quite good but Shona was simply amazing with people like me who approached her for help.
ReplyDeleteCan Trevor give us any idea if he is to publish more BTR videos when this might be? They were great and I hope they do come back.
ReplyDeleteHe confirmed that in the interview.
DeleteHe didn't confirm when it might be. I was hoping he might have more of an idea now.
DeleteBelieve Trevor suggested he hoped to have one of the BTR-style videos which I and you enjoyed so much up within about a month. I'm sure he will keep us updated once the blog is up and running on, I think, Wednesday evening? It will be in his own interest to do so if he wants as many people as possible to think about watching it/them. Roll on the next Leak of the Week I say. Always had me chuckling anyway.
DeleteBrexit is a con perpetrated on the British people who are now being denied the opportunity to stop it. Not very democratic in my book.
ReplyDeleteHi Polo
DeleteNice to hear from you and glad you are still blogging and keeping an eye on Jersey. I do check out your blog and will have a link to it on the new one I can assure you.
With regard to your earlier request to throw a spanner in the Brexit works, well, I am of the opinion that with so many lies told, so many families divided never mind communities and political parties the only way forward is first a general election and then a public vote offering the choice of whatever deal can be reached or staying. Even then it won't placate some people I fear - perhaps for years or even a generation. Well done Dave C as somebody alluded above!
Speak again soon hopefully. But meanwhile, once my blog is up and running please message me to remind me not to retweet ANY of your Tweets without checking the photos attached... Only joking, you can stick a link to it here if you want - it was funny even if it did get me referred to PPC by the Zoof.
Hi Trevor
DeleteThanks for that and good to see you're on form. Hi to Shona and hope she didn't spend her massive insurance settlement in the one shop.
I see where you're coming from on Brexit, and you're probably right but there is the wee problem of the ticking clock and a no-deal exit by obduracy or accident. Maybe the Queen could get a bit of practice intervening and then come and sort out Jersey (pace Stuart).
I remember your exemplary behaviour retweeting my tweet, the ignorance of the JEP & States on Twitter mechanics, and the accusation that I had stolen the uniform from a dead German soldier. It was only the second time I've been mentioned in the JEP, the first having been in 1961.
Link (thanks to Big Ian for the image)
Looking forward to the blog and it will be interesting to engage with you on matters beyond Jersey's shores.
Hi Póló,
DeleteThat is correct. Lies are told in ALL electoral campaigns.
Fortunately we now have a "democratic" way of dealing with these situations:
Put the result on hold and pretend to "negotiate" for 3+ years ...…
...and then hold a confirmatory referendum.
To ensure that democracy is fully served by this "People's Vote", extreme care must be taken in formatting the questions on the ballot paper.
I suggest that the choice the UK People get to confirm is between :
A] Remaining in the EU
&
B] Not leaving the EU
:-)
How and why @ 11:53
DeleteI would certainly agree with your choices as formulated but I don't think we'd get away with that. Any such new referendum would be difficult to formulate. You don't want more than two choices but there are really three: remain, deal, no deal. It might be worth offering a choice between remain, or leave subject to the agreement of Parliament. That would at least put the process back on the road to representative democracy.
There may have been problems with the negotiations since the referendum (sequencing etc.) but the time was spent attempting to square the circle against a background of UK leaving but honouring its commitments including to its own citizens in Northern Ireland, and, on the other hand, the EU protecting the customs union and the single market. In fact in agreeing to the backstop the EU has gone further than it needed to in protecting its own global interests but did so in deference to those of the Republic (a continuing MS) and the UK who are co-guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement.
I don't think people knew what they were getting into at the time of the referendum. They were manipulated and very few understood the complexity of their links within the EU. If they still want to commit hari kiri they should be allowed to confirm that or draw back. Nothing wrong with changing your mind when you find you've been conned.
I don't really want to divert this blog off topic but this is an issue which not only seriously affects UK & Jersey but also Ireland. Maybe we'll get a chance to pursue this on Trevor's blog and make sure he gets a lively stream of comments from the word go.
:-(
I - Mike Dun - stood in the Senatorial bye-election of 2016 on the single issue of "Jersey after BREXIT".
ReplyDeleteThe election came about because Zoe Cameron stood down after less than 2 years of her elected term and it was a total mystery to me how she - with no obvious political background - had been elected at all.
I had the usual hectoring ridicule during my campaign because I offered to devote 2 years trying to devise some understanding of the likely outcome of BREXIT for Jersey. Of course there is still no certain plan and the general public of all the Crown Dependencies are still in the dark about likely outcomes. Those who might have been expected to welcome a serious campaign in Jersey stayed away from my efforts in their droves - so nothing unusual there.
The outcome of the bye election was that Sarah Ferguson was returned and she should have been disqualified for failing to make her electoral expenses return correctly - but who cares about such things then or subsequently!
The "electorate" usually gets just what it deserves.
I must say that both Zoe and Sarah are hardly adverts for more women in government in my book and the recent awakening of Jersey Women to a political role - 100 years after UK Suffragettes did the messy work - is just more of the same. There is no Bessie Braddock tradition in Jersey's political history and the modern group of female participants would run a mile from the Socialism of Mrs Trachy (who was probably more like Bessie).
It is relevant too that I had to run the NO Referendum campaign against Constables having an automatic seat in the States virtually single handed. Again those political empty cans who mouth reform policies stayed away in their droves and the Constables position is entrenched for yet another decade or two.
I genuinely welcome the return of Trevor - and hopefully Shona - to the "blog" scene but fear that their readership mostly want just more entertainment rather than being provoked into political action.
I have already indicated how I "blog" on a very wide ranges of issues because "politics" is integral to everything that happens. Yet I am amazed that not only do the general public usually fail to respond in any meaningful way to my efforts - but the elected States Members and those who seek election - also ignore virtually everything I feature or do.
For the record. I have been politically active in Jersey since the 1960s.
Indeed. The government you DESERVE?
DeleteCareful Tom, a little more thought required. What you say here could be interpreted as personal sour grapes, 'The election came about because Zoe Cameron stood down after less than 2 years of her elected term and it was a total mystery to me how she - with no obvious political background - had been elected at all.'
DeleteFirstly, it is not necessarily a 'bad-thing' if people with 'no political background' get into politics. I grant you there are far too many walking vacuities in Jersey politics who get in because their Great Uncle Reg was once a parish constable, and they've worked on the parish float for years, and it's their turn now, and their grandad down the Lodge guarantees their obedience, etc.
But on the other hand, armies of obedient party apparatchiks carefully filtered and selected by an ideological apparatus making up the legislature is not necessarily an unalloyed good either.
Insofar as the example of Zoe Cameron is concerned, consider some obvious and historically important factors. She is a GP. So this is a person who had the ability and intelligence to achieve at a high educational and professional level. Her work as a doctor gave her a great deal of real, front-line experience of understanding the day to day problems of people. And, of course, she is female.
We don't know what Zoe Cameron as a States member may have achieved, had the political environment in Jersey and the culture of its legislature not been intrinsically misogynistic, and deeply anti-intellectual.
But we should always remember a little noticed, but historically important, feature of her short time in politics. Namely, that in spite of her best efforts, she realised trying to do serious politics in the Jersey legislature was impossible. So much so, she said so, and cited the futility of the attempt, and resigned.
A damning judgment on the 21st century Jersey legislature, which should be more remembered than it is. Future historians will point to it.
Tom. If provoking someone - anyone - into political action is all the blogs are about then every one of them has largely failed and that includes Stuart's, this one, Rico's, yours. All of them have, must have, made many, many readers more aware. But motivated them to get out on the streets not a bit of it generally speaking.
DeleteThere has been "a bit of it" but clearly not enough but that is largely because Jersey is run on a culture of fear.
DeleteThe swearing in of the then Bailiff (Michael Birt) was PROTESTED.
The then AG's (William Bailhache) decision to drop in the region of a dozen Child Abuse cases, and related matters, was PROTESTED.
The above protest was joined by both Trevor, and Shona Pitman along with Deputy Montfort Tadier and others who were interviewed HERE.
During the protests we were approached by members of the public in awe, and admiration, for those of us who had the courage to protest. The culture of fear that ran the island then is the same culture of fear that runs it now.
We also know that getting people out on the streets makes no difference. Documenting what is going on in the Island does make people (including outside journalists/filmmakers) aware. Where pressure could be brought to those culpable for the corruption to clean up their act.
Of course one must keep in mind that one of the "reasons" William Bailhache gave, back then, for not prosecuting a rumored friend/associate of his who has been accused by multiple alleged victims of crimes against them of the most heinous nature does dot stand up to SCRUTINY.
DeleteFor those who have not seen the film 'Spotlight' (available on Netflix and BBC Iplayer) please, please take the time out to watch it and once seen then reflect on the similarities to what has gone on hear over decades.
ReplyDeleteIn Jerseys case local media being blind, deaf and dumb (but knowing the score), Government complicit in total cover up, a judiciary which uses the full weight of it's power to crush and imprison those who speak out.
What all those who have been seduced into the 'darkside' must surely know is that there will be a reckoning and a price to pay. I can't help but wonder what these people must feel deep in their souls when they hear the screams of the innocents, a massive amount of pain I hope.
Watch the film and reflect.
'What all those who have been seduced into the 'darkside' must surely know is that there will be a reckoning and a price to pay.'
DeleteThat is the truth. Many of the culpable individuals involved in The Jersey Situation are frightened. It's an open secret. They know it's only a matter of time, a question of 'when', not 'if' the reckoning arrives. That realisation seems to have slowly dawned amongst Jersey's London based protectors.
Such realisation is to be observed, manifest in the unprecedented and terrified removal of the archive of data of the mock public inquiry from the web site. Some of those involved in London are (belatedly) smart enough to understand that that extensive body of evidence constitutes the prosecution case against them in whichever jurisdiction acts first.
The delivery of a fraudulent 'public inquiry' on Jersey constitutes an extensive transnational criminal conspiracy. Transnational. Conspiracy. As such, multiple individuals have committed multiple prima facie criminal offences in UK law, and in the various laws of other jurisdictions. Other. Jurisdictions.
In some ways, the very worst strategic and tactical mistake the Jersey establishment made was to fail to permit and empower a real public inquiry. This was a mistake too far. There is no way back from here. The Jersey establishment have destroyed themselves. A public inquiry was the last, underserved, lifebelt available to the Jersey establishment. Drowning men can't be choosy. But as the waters were closing over them, fate threw them a lifebelt, and a concrete block. They chose to grab the concrete block.
Hmm hmm...;
Delete"Such realisation is to be observed, manifest in the unprecedented and terrified removal of the archive of data of the mock public inquiry from the web site. Some of those involved in London are (belatedly) smart enough to understand that that extensive body of evidence constitutes the prosecution case against them in whichever jurisdiction acts first."
What a pity for them, then, that the entire and variously iterated archive was multipully and fully and repeatedly down-loaded and carefully archived and stored in different jurisdictions around the world by historians, journalists and activists.
So far as I'm aware a significant number of those people are fully willing to co-operate with the law-enforcement authorities of their respective nations.
I've frequently recommended to investigators that they look at the literally unprecedented un-publication of the material of a public-inquiry as a neat little - and very illustrative - example of the anarchic incompetence of the Jersey / London mafia. It shows there's simply no-one in the wheel-house.
The question of whether they were operating in good-faith or bad-faith doesn't even have to be reckoned with for this insight. In either case, the team - and the clients - would have sat down and discussed a number of obvious and unavoidable issues. Such as "how do we deal with the generated archive of testimony and evidence, because it will obviously contain substantial amounts of deeply controversial and embarrassing material. How do we cross that bridge? What will our strategy and policy be?"
No person, no team, no process - of even vague and hypothetical competence - would arrive at the bedlam and chaos of attempting to un-publish the published archive of a public-inquiry. Not least - because the un-publication is impossible - and futile - and self-defeating - given half the planet's child-protection journalists and anti-mafia / anti-money-laundering journalists have it all down-loaded and archived.
This is what anarchy looks like.
And in this simple little example - we see what The Jersey Situation is.
And we understand inevitability.
Stuart are you saying the evidence gathered at the Public-Inquiry was a good thing then?
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DeleteI think I see where you're heading. Don't forget that this evidence is circumscribed as far as its further use in holding people to account is concerned. Perhaps Stuart has further evidence which is not so circumscribed?
Evidence presented to the Care Inquiry was supposed to already be in the Police hands so not sure what you are getting at here.
DeleteThe police had nowhere near the amount of evidence that was given to the Care Inquiry.
DeleteThey were supposed to have all the victim testimony already though?
DeleteThen I thought they investigated anything new?
Does anybody have a link to what the Police did afterwards?
As mentioned in the interview. NO arrests have been made as a result of evidence given to the Care Inquiry. So on the face of it the police have done NOTHING.
DeleteOr the evidence was not good enough.
DeleteIndeed or the police are protecting some well connected pedophiles.
DeleteEvidence given to the Inquiry cannot of itself be used directly in any subsequent criminal follow up. It's in the rules somewhere and was described at the time by Stuart as a get out of jail card.
DeletePolice would need to start from scratch and even that might be subvertable by the defence invoking the Inquiry. This has all been discussed at length on this site way back.
Polo.
DeleteI believe that a witness could not incriminate themselves at the Inquiry. They could be incriminated by other witnesses. Police could bring prosecutions as a result of evidence given to the Inquiry.
Hadn't realised that. Cross incrimination. Must look back at the rules. That would be great news.
Delete'What all those who have been seduced into the 'darkside' must surely know is that there will be a reckoning and a price to pay.'
ReplyDeleteAs U.S Author, and Investigative journalist, Leah McGrath Goodman, also stated: "Legacies will be CEMENTED.
Great to learn that Trevor is coming back. If his old blog was anything to go by I am sure that he will do a lot more than just seek to entertain.
ReplyDeleteWas there some problem with my comment interpreting available evidence in the context of transnational crimes and the criminal codes of other jurisdictions? It seemed reasonable enough to me. International law enforcement is unavoidably at the heart of the Jersey situation so we need to be able to discuss it.
ReplyDeleteThe comment contained allegations of a number of named law firms allegedly engaged in criminal activity. If you want to put your name to the comment then publication would be reconsidered.
DeleteThanks. I'll resubmit after work.
DeleteDear Team Voice
ReplyDeleteSadly due to a sudden family bereavement today I have now taken the decision to delay the laucnh of my new blog until midday tomorrow.
I am sure any of your readers who were planning to give it a read will understand.
Regards
Trevor Pitman
Trevor.
DeleteSorry to hear of your/Shona’s loss and thoughts are with you.
Condolences Trevor and Shona. As much as me and my family are looking forward to reading your blog we can stand the wait especially for such a sad cause. I hope when Shona feels like it she might contribute to your blog some time? She (like you) was a hell of a politician and very strong woman who had no fear of standing up to the establishment. We could really do with her in there right now and would be very interested in reading anything she might write.
ReplyDeleteHugs and kisses to the both of you.
Sorry to hear of your loss Shona and Trevor. After everything you have been put through by the bent courts and The Powers That Be you don't deserve any more bad news. Keep up the fight and I too hope to hear something from Shona on your blog when it is up and running.
ReplyDeleteEarlier in the comments there's some very important discussion of the extent to which evidence provided to the Jersey public inquiry can be used in the necessary prosecutions which still need to happen on the island. Prosecutions of child abusers, and prosecutions of those who shielded them.
ReplyDeleteThe discussion was triggered by a comment which included this observation, 'Such realisation is to be observed, manifest in the unprecedented and terrified removal of the archive of data of the mock public inquiry from the web site. Some of those involved in London are (belatedly) smart enough to understand that that extensive body of evidence constitutes the prosecution case against them in whichever jurisdiction acts first.'
I feel the subsequent discussion of the use of the public inquiry evidence to prosecute abusers missed the point of the comment concerning the international significance of the archive of your public inquiry. I didn't read the comment as referring to the many crimes of child-abuse and cover-up on Jersey. (Though those crimes will be dealt with one day.) It seems clear to me that the author of the comment was referring to the many crimes committed by transnational entities such as big City of London law-firms, which may have committed many obvious crimes under the criminal codes of other jurisdictions by dint of their conduct in respect of the Jersey situation. For example, bribery, fraud, corruption, racketeering, coercion, money laundering, conspiracy, subversion, witness tampering etc.
Entities which do transnational business, for example transnational law-firms, are required by the laws of countries they do business in, for example, the UK, and of the USA, not to act corruptly in any aspect or location of their activity. The UK Bribery Act is very clear on this, as is the USA Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
Given the fraudulent and racketteered nature of Jersey's make-believe public inquiry, the huge embezzlement of public funds, the subversion of democracy and of law-enforcement on Jersey, all plain on an informed reading of the archive of the public inquiry itself, the relevance and significance of international law enforcement is unavoidable.
Rank & file spin doctors, lawyers, clerks, consultants etc would have been very happy to earn big time for playing a role in the running of the Jersey stage show. After all, they live here, not on Jersey, and what could be easier than taking a few £100,000 or £million for hoodwinking those they will have viewed as a crowd of unwashed ignorant hick town locals?
The vibe I get is that they would have taken rather different decisions, such as not getting involved, had they contemplated what is now the perpetual real possibility, in any year henceforward, of finding themselves staring down the barrel of US extradition proceedings in connection with FCPA and RICO.
I'm really looking forward to your long awaited return to blogging Trevor. If there is any chance I could be the subject of one of your posts I would feel honoured. Keep up the good work and welcome back.
ReplyDeleteWho is Gordon Adams?
DeleteI’ve no idea but if he gets his wish and Trevor publishes a Blog on him then no doubt we will find out.
DeleteText below re immunities from the Inquiry's document: "Inquiry Protocol: Protective Measures".
ReplyDeletePrivileges and immunities of persons appearing before or producing documents to the Inquiry
24. In accordance with the States of Jersey (Powers, Privileges and Immunities) (Committees of Inquiry) (Jersey) Regulations 2007:
24.1 A person asked or required to give evidence or produce documents before the Inquiry shall be entitled, in respect of such evidence and documents, to legal professional privilege and privilege against self-incrimination;
24.2 An answer given by a person to a question put to that person, or an oral or written statement made by that person, or a document produced by a person in the course of his or her appearance before the Inquiry shall not be admissible in evidence against that person in any civil or criminal proceedings;
24.3 Paragraph 23.2 above shall not apply to evidence given or documents produced by that person which he or she knows to be untrue.
So it looks like you're right, Voice, and witnesses are only protected against SELF incrimination. That means victim/survivor evidence to the Inquiry, along with that of the police and other third parties, could be used in criminal proceedings. This really adds enormously, for me, to the strength of criticism of the authorities in not moving on this.
Polo.
DeleteI have been told by a trusted source the the States of Jersey Police has gone back to "pre-Rectangle days." This would suggest there will NOT be any prosecutions as a result of evidence given to the Care Inquiry.
Thank you to the commenters who have left comments identifying "Gordon Adams." Regular readers will be aware that we run (as best we can) a Troll-Free site so won't be identifying or discussing him on here.
ReplyDeleteFor that reason I am unable to publish your comments.
Not long to wait now if big Trev is launching his blog at midday. I'm looking forward to his unparalleled Testicular Fortitude and no nonsense unique writing style.
ReplyDeleteHi Team Voice
DeleteApt that I quickly logged on now before rushing out given the above comment. Much to organise following our bereavement, but I can advise your readers that the blog will still appear this afternoon, though midday is likely being too hopeful. It will appear while the sun is still shining for sure!
It is a fairly long one, part 1 of 2 in fact, and so hopefully one of interest to those who also follow political events internationally. As to this Gordon Adams mentioned, no, he most definitely isn't in it! Never heard of him but sounds like he might be a troll?
Regards
Trevor.
DeleteThanks for the update and please send us a link when you publish?
On another note: Readers who Tweet might want to follow Trevor on his new Twitter account @bald_from
Link to Deputy Trevor Pitman's new BLOG.
ReplyDeleteWas probably bound to happen, but just to let your readers know that with Gremlins in the system blog down at present whilst my above Living wage paid helper tries to sort it. Nothing major but after the Battle of Flowers any reader probably better of going for a drink and checking in tomorrow instead.
DeleteReaders here may find it useful to reflect on how your main Jersey crooks could now turn aside from the corruption of the last 14 years, even if they wanted to?
ReplyDeleteCrooks are always beholden to other crooks, and especially powerful crooks are always beholden to other powerful crooks. This is why mafia business enterprises are so difficult to combat and have automatic multiple layers of protection.
As shocking as this may seem, it may very well be the case that some part or other of the Jersey campaigners might need to reach out to Jersey establishment figures, probably indirectly, such as William Bailhache for example, and let it be known maximum sentences wouldn't be sought if he confesses and turns state evidence.
It is easy to predict and understand why such a proposed way forward will outrage so many victims of the serious organised crime which controls Jersey. William Bailhache himself has been responsible for the denial of protection to the vulnerable. He has played an obvious role in the sabotage of the effective rule of law on Jersey. It is understandable that some obvious opponents of organized crime on Jersey will be outraged at the suggestion, rightly in many ways determined to see him serving 20 years without remission. It is easy enough to see that outcome occurring eventually, in a prison in Britain, but more likely in the E.U. or far more likely still, in a prison in the US.
But think how long and how hard that battle will be. Can many 100s of Jersey's vulnerable and damaged victims of crime wait that long? Is it fair to expect them to remain living with their harm and without justice and support for another 10 years? If the war could be ended so much sooner and the necessary reparations made to the victims of the Jersey system?
Anyone familiar with the power and methodology of serious organised crime knows that syndicates are always very alert to the possibility of their own operatives being 'turned', confessing, and becoming state witnesses. Accordingly, serious counter measures are always in place. Armed with that knowledge law enforcement agencies know they have to be realistic and have something on offer to potential inside witnesses. A little forgiveness here, a little blind eye there, a reduction of the seriousness of charges, an understanding that lenient sentences will be sought, agreement not to contest the defence mitigation plea, those kind of things.
The international activists against the Jersey corruption need to consider how they maximise the public good outcome, including shutting down the corruption sooner instead of a protracted war. That might mean setting aside understandable and justified personal desires for vengeance. Plea bargaining with potential witnesses is a vital tool in the war against serious organised crime. Of course your recalcitrant, cowardly, and not altogether rational obvious local crooks may refuse to dance. So be it, but at least your side will have tried.
Whilst accurate on mafia methodology, and the broad necessity played by plea-bargaining (open or de facto) in law-abiding jurisdictions, the generality of this comment is utter nonsense.
DeleteIt presupposes the Jersey public to have access to, and the protection of, some effective law-enforcement function, for example, an independent police force, or independent prosecutors.
Jersey simply possesses none of those things.
None whatsoever.
Every single aspect of the "criminal-justice" system in Jersey is controlled by the Jersey / City of London mob. All of it.
These people have had - and we're talking of multi-generational crime families here, in no appreciable way different from Sicilian mafia families - an iron grip on all aspects of power on Jersey for centuries. As their conduct has so clearly demonstrated again - and again - during the 14 year period cited, these people haven't even begun to come to terms with democracy, let alone real law-enforcement. For example, the three effective and genuinely independently minded opposition members of the Jersey legislature in that period, Trevor Pitman, Shona Pitman and me - all hounded and suppressed out of democracy by an openly criminalised "justice" system. To this day none of us could contest Jersey "elections" (even if we wanted to). We can't even do anti-corruption journalism on the island without being politically imprisoned.
None of the Jersey mafia figures will ever plea-bargain - because they don't have to. Even if the States of Jersey Police Force hadn't been seized by the forces of serious organised crime in November 2008, the professional police on Jersey don't even possess the power to charge suspects!
I'm afraid the author of the comment simply DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE PSYCHOLOGY AND CULTURE OF THE JERSEY MAFIA. The "system" of these people is self-perpetuating, self-selecting, self-protecting - and has been that exact way for hundreds of years. The notion that these people, hell, even a few of them, might begin to see the error of their ways is manifest nonsense.
Look, in spite of everything that's gone on, every terrible child-protection failure, the Jersey establishment simply refused to countenance even a half-way lawful public-inquiry - and instead insisted on corrupting and perverting the whole thing - and using the process as yet another handy means of channeling £24 million of public money to their friends & protectors back in the City.
Was that - running an openly fake "public-inquiry" - the actions of an establishment indicating an acceptance of the need to come to terms with past wrongs?
Look, I live on Jersey in this year of 2019 - and I can never be sure I'll still be alive in the next 24 hours. These people want me dead.
Every single aspect of public authority on Jersey - every aspect of the state - all parts of the polity - are make-believe; it's ALL FAKE. It's all mere window-dressing - it's all a Potemkin Village.
Jersey has something it depicts as a "police-force" - but it doesn't have a police force; Jersey has something it depicts as a "judiciary" - but it doesn't have a judiciary; Jersey has something it depicts as "democracy" - but it doesn't have democracy.
Scratch below the chocolate-box fakery - and the Jersey polity is very easily seen for what it is. Very probably THE MOST entrenched and disguised mafia turf on the planet.
Stuart Syvret
Investigative journalist, historian, international anti-mafia activist.
Stuart can you please tell us what you intend to do next?
DeleteErrr....how about following the wisdom of 'never arguing with an idiot in public'?
DeleteThat's always seemed pretty sage advice to me.
Stuart Syvret
Investigative journalist, historian, international anti-mafia activist.
Only asking you a question.
DeleteYou have been telling us for so long that a train is a-coming, so I am only curious as to whether we have to wait for much longer.
I was going to observe that that is the wrong question, or rather the right question directed to the wrong party. Then it struck me that what underlies these frequent pleadings to Mr. Syvret to ‘do something’ constitutes a classical category-error. Those who nervously seek an end to the Jersey controversies (the culpable) are making the perceptual mistake of viewing the situation as being able to be punctuated, brought to an end, by some event or occurrence. To take that view it is necessary to wrongly understand the events on Jersey as being a distinct set of causes and effects, that had a beginning and have an hypothetical end, and, most significantly, to wrongly view them as a chain of events taking place as some small and not unusual perturbation within an otherwise broad and untroubled whole. To view the Jersey troubles as being just another temporally limited episode in an otherwise unchanging sweep of Jersey history is the category-error. What has taken place on Jersey is not some distinct and self-limiting set of events, like moves & counter moves on a chess board under the control of actors in the situation. Rather, what has occurred is a paradigm-shift. The Jersey situation is a self-inflicted revolutionary disruption of the previous sweep and evolution of the island’s history. Had this sudden ripping up of the map of Jersey history, and the casting of the future of the island down this new and unknowable path been deliberately sought & planned by radicals, we'd have to regard it as a remarkable and brilliant achievement. However we know that not to be the case. Those responsible for the epochal events concerning Jersey, your customary establishment figures of one stripe or another, are ultra-conservatives, and have wanted nothing more, for reasons both innocent and dark, than the status quo to be maintained. Now these hapless accidental-revolutionaries cry and wail for ‘someone to please do something! We want our old conservative, stable Jersey back.’ They do not care for the uncharted vast & perilous ocean they chose to embark upon, old safe harbours gone forever.
DeleteLet me predict that Mr. Syvret will do nothing. At least, nothing of the type sought by the questioner. Mr. Syvret could not rescue your accidentally revolutionary establishment from its accidental revolution, even if he were so inclined. There is nothing he could ‘do’, not least because there is nothing to be done. If there was something to be ‘done’ to turn the clock back, your conservative establishment, who unlike Mr. Syvret have power & resources, would have ‘done it’. They haven't, because they can’t. Those who persist in viewing the Jersey situation as a temporally limited set of events, in which someone could ‘do’ something to bring them to a conclusion, is making a category-error. Mr. Syvret alone amongst the Jersey situation actors appears to understand that.
To understand Jersey’s new paradigm, is to recognise your post 1990 power establishment players for what they are, revolutionaries, not conservatives. Your London appointed Crown Officers, your senior bankers and lawyers, your establishment politicians, all of the key figures have been revolutionaries, not conservatives. These people have cracked and shattered the foundations of Jersey’s sleepy respectability in ways more dramatic, permanent and speedy than a thousand Che Guevara t-shirt wearing radical students could have ever dreamed of achieving. Three decades of accidental, unwitting, revolution and radical sabotage, disruption and de-stabilising of institutions and conventions. Nothing can be ‘’done’ to get back to the old Jersey status quo, because it no longer exists . These people tore it down and burnt it.
Good post, if a little densely written. I agree there's nothing to be done. Certainly nothing in the context or purview of your establishment or their money grubbing friends here in London. The fate of the Jersey arrangements are in the lap of the gods now. A paradigm shift indeed. Your people and their friends have stolen £24 million to run a counterfeit public inquiry. A fact which was obvious to every reasonably smart observer of events on Jersey from around the globe. But your Jersey crew thought no one would notice. A ship of fools all at sea. Things will continue to drift, until the inevitable.
DeleteChrist the moderation on here is getting terrible.
DeleteStill if you want to make the blog look dead carry on.
Really? I think the moderation on this site is excellent. The quality of debate here is unique in all Jersey media. Maintaining that quality obviously requires weeding out all the vacuous, diversionary, abusive troll crap that makes so many other forums pointless and dead. I'd say the proof of the pudding, and all that.... Just look at other forums, the msm ones in particular, then look here. Quality of debate here is light years ahead of anything else on offer re Jersey. And I have to say I've read plenty of differing and opposing opinions on here. But it does seem they have to be intelligent, well written, non diversionary, rational and evidence-based to satisfy the moderation.
DeletePerhaps Voice could say if I'm right in that assessment?
Thanks
Pretty much on the money. We encourage different view points but when anonymous commenters are attacking named commenters/people with personal insults and absolute Trolling dung then the days of those comments passing moderation are gone.
DeleteYou are correct if that’s the kind of “debate” some commenters want then the Old Media (formerly known as MSM) is the place for you.
I have drawn attention to the high quality of moderation on this blog before. Voice has had to weed out the vacuous and the malicious comments. On top of which he has to keep a wary eye on content so as not to give the powers that be any pretext to move against him.
DeleteAll of this requires a lot of effort, concentration and dedication. And that can take its toll. I hope he makes time for some enjoyable divarsion to ease the pressure. I suspect he does as he has maintained a consistently high standard in both post and comment content over the years.
I was tempted to intervene earlier following the Anonymous comment @ 9:19, but to say that moderation might need to be ramped up slightly. Some comments are getting very long for the content that's in them and I detect a wisp of patronising creeping in.
Where I'm coming from is someone who takes pride in their own blog and has had to introduce moderation only in recent times in response to Jon's spewings.
Any idea when Trevor's blog is coming back on line? Vanishing so quickly I couldn't but help think of what happened to his evidence to the care enuiry. Vanished while I was about two damned paragraphs from the bottom would you believe.
ReplyDeleteInfuriating as it was a really interesting read. Different to what I had expected from Trevor but to be fair he did warn us he would be branching out. Think we can be fiarly certain he will be commenting on Jersey as well soon. I really hope so.
I hope it is back soon. Pitman might be talking about ME!
DeleteHopefully it could be back up later today. Failing that it will be around 18:00 Sunday (11th August 2019). Will keep readers posted.
DeleteSorry Gordon Adams - I don't think Trevor is an expert on ME or suffers from it. No doubt he suffers from Jersey Corruption Syndrome of which he will be well versed. So no need to fret Gordon, you won't warrant a mention.
DeleteJust watched this interview right through. Most interesting and you raise some very pertient questions. You also highlight one of the great strengths of the blogs. Where on our msm/old media could or would you see such an in-depth interview rather than a two minute sound-byte? As to ex-Deputy Pitman we really need him back in the States not just blogging.
ReplyDeleteAs Trevor is now back to blogging would it be possible (lawful?) for him to publish his full testimony as submitted to the public inquiry?
ReplyDeleteI can't see any reason why this could not be done as it has(was)been made public after all, it would be very helpful if this could be done just to refocus on the matter.
The new blog from Big Trev was a fascinating read but is still not up again? Very different as a reader observed and absolutely opened my eyes about Chavez. Just shows if the media can effectively destroy the reputation of somebody famous who had clearly done so much good got to be much easier to smear people in Jersey.
ReplyDeleteBlog went down very quickly. I was fortunate that I stumbled upon it by chance. Hope it goes back up soon because it was very a interesting post and subject. For all the criticism of the old media some blogs are little more than sound bites themselves lacking any real depth.
ReplyDeletePitman's new blog looks like it will be taking a longer, more considered look at issues. Although maybe he was just drawing us in? Must be peeved he has had some technical problems after all that effort.
Re Trevor's Blog
ReplyDeleteIt is a complex template which will likely need tweaking over time.
Most of your readers will probably have heard the news that Jeffrey Epstein has been found hanged in his cell.
ReplyDeleteThis will seem exceedingly convenient for a number of well connected individuals.
Epstein's previous conviction was remarkable lenient and shrouded in secrecy
The court documents that were previously covered up ["sealed"] have now been unsealed.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/epstein-court-documents-allegations/index.html
More than one woman allege that they were trafficked to have sex with Prince Andrew (the Duke of York)
In response, a spokesperson for Buckingham Palace said: "This relates to proceedings in the United States, to which The Duke of York is not a party. Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."
….acknowledged that Clinton had taken a handful of trips on Epstein's plane, but said that "President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York."
Any update on Trevor Pitman's blog?
ReplyDeleteYes that's something I would like to know. Looked forward to his return so much and by the time I heard it was back it was gone! On Twitter I heard it was apparently a Blogger problem which I would add makes sense. Loads of people I know have moved to WordPress precisely because Blogger do blogger all to help when people had problems. Maybe Trevor should change ships if this is the case?
DeleteHe (or his techie wizard) is still having problems with the Blogger template. Hoping this will be rectified soon and will keep readers posted.
DeleteHopefully be back up soon then with a bit of luck.
DeleteOut of interest can you explain what justification there can be legally for Trevor (and Shona) stillto be barred from standing for election as mentioned in your interview?
This is just so wrong on so many levels. Smacks of utter judicial/political corruption. Jersey's forte I acknowledge.
Their justification will be simply that it keeps a key member of the Awkward Squad out of politics. That is all they need.
DeleteNew Blog Posting. Scrutiny call for EVIDENCE.
ReplyDeleteGood interview. Would not have known he was back without you.
ReplyDeleteYou always get the most important news on The Voice!
DeleteA very good interview as per usual high standards. Good to see one of the best Jersey politicians of modern times at least back blogging. What about a States comeback, Trevor? You must know you could do it? And wouldn't it be a whole lot of fun?
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