Tuesday, 23 November 2010

The Establishment Party?

In conjunction with Rico Sorda’s latest POSTING where he has published the 19 politicians who could not bring themselves to vote in favour of part (a) (v) in Deputy Bob Hill’s proposition P166/2010, we bring you 15 from those 19 WHO voted against Connetable Simon Crowcroft’s P182 back in January 2009.

Part (v) of Deputy Hill’s P166/2010 (below) is self explanatory and asks for nothing more than what most of us would assume is good governance. But still the 15 just could not bring themselves to support it…………why not?

Part (a)

To request the Chief Minister to inform States members in a Report presented to the Assembly, or in a Statement to the Assembly, of the action he has already taken and the action he intends to take in respect of the report dated 10th September 2010 into the suspension of the former Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police prepared for the Chief Minister by Mr. Brian Napier QC (‘the Napier Report’) and, in particular to provide information in respect of the following matters –

(v) What training, procedural and other corrective measures, if any, he has taken in order to ensure that personnel issues, and in particular disciplinary issues, are managed appropriately in the future;

This part of the proposition was agreed by the house but with no thanks to the 15. None of which, incidentally, even spoke on the debate!!

Connetable Crowcroft’s P182 would, or could, have saved the tax payer possibly in the millions of pounds and brought out in the open just what did go on with the, possibly illegal, suspension of former Chief Police Officer Graham Power QPM without having to line Mr. Napier’s pocket to the tune of FIFTY GRAND, and the MILLION PLUS pounds spent on Wiltshire. But the 15 could not bring themselves to vote for it. The proposition (which was defeated) was published on one of our sister sites HERE. Below is a snippet from it.

Purpose of the proposition

This proposition seeks a simple check by an appropriately qualified body such as the Jersey Advisory and Conciliation Service, or any other independent body with expertise in the interpretation of industrial relations, into the actions taken by the Minister of Home Affairs in suspending the Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police on 12th November 2008.

Any employee of the States of Jersey should be able to expect any complaints against them to be dealt with correctly. Therefore, the proposition has more general relevance as a willingness by the States to have their employment procedures checked for compliance should reassure all States of Jersey employees that their employer, the States, will not disregard the principles of good employment relations and of natural justice in their dealings with their employees.

Financial and manpower implications

Should this proposition be approved I would estimate that the work in reviewing the suspension procedure could be undertaken by a local, appropriately qualified and experienced Human Relations practitioner in half a day. The cost of this work would therefore be relatively insignificant.


We may never know as it was debated in secret.

So is it the case that these 15, against the odds of possibly trillions to one are voting “independently”, or are they voting with the “Establishment Party?”. Of course there are more members who vote almost identically along the establishment lines and over the coming few weeks/months Team Voice will be looking at them in-depth and in some cases individually.













As always the featured politicians have a right of reply, indeed we would encourage them to leave a comment so as we can understand why they vote how they do and how they manage to vote "independently" the same way so often..................If they are not in The Establishment Party.

Submitted by Team Voice.



  1. These are the ones who voted against P182/2009

    Just take a good look at the names I will be putting more up tonight

    CONTRE: 29

    Senator T.A. Le Sueur
    Senator P.F. Routier
    Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
    Senator B.E. Shenton
    Senator F.E. Cohen
    Senator J.L. Perchard
    Senator A.J.D. Maclean
    Senator S.C. Ferguson
    Senator B.I. Le Marquand

    Connétable of St. Ouen
    Connétable of Trinity
    Connétable of Grouville
    Connétable of St. Brelade
    Connétable of St. John
    Connétable of St. Saviour
    Connétable of St. Clement
    Connétable of St. Mary

    Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
    Deputy of St. Ouen
    Deputy of St. Peter
    Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
    Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
    Deputy of Trinity
    Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
    Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
    Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
    Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
    Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)


  2. Very revealing thank you.

  3. And now we have Senator Routier doing stand up comedy at the bottom of page 7 of the JEP supported by these clowns

    Senator Ben Shenton

    Senator Ferguson

    Constable Refault

    Constable Vibert

    Deputy Duhamel

    Deputy Noel

    Deputy Dupre

    We really are doomed


  4. I am acquainted with some of these States members and I surely won't be voting for them next time around!

  5. Hi VFC.

    Just put up the Audio of Deputy P LeClaire.


  6. P182/2009 - was that the introduction of GST?

  7. I see no reason why all the members voted against Mr. Hills proposition.

    I believe it was their duty.

    The public deserve an explanation of how Mr. Le Sueur intends to deal with the very serious matters raised in the Napier report.

    The public also need reassurance that Ministers are working for the good of the Island.

  8. Anon, you said,

    "The public also need reassurance that Ministers are working for the good of the Island."

    Whilst I agree with the principle it has become increasingly evident in recent years that Ministers concerns often extend no further then themselves and those of their political allies.

    Until this apalling situation is shown up for what it really is we will continue to suffer from poor decision making and a widely disilusioned electorate.

  9. So Deputy Daniel Wimberley asks the Home Affairs Minister that 'In the light of the Chief Minister's statement that he believes that the findings of the Wiltshire Report fully endorse the decision to suspend the previous Chief Officer of Police, can the Minister, provide members with the press statements released by the States of Jersey Police relating to any one of the major elements disputed during the Haut de la Garenne inquiry, in order, and the full recordings of audio and video interviews?'

    So how does this man answer, well....

    "I have previously indicated to the Deputy of St Mary that I am not going to do this. The press statements are in the public domain and the Deputy of St Mary should do his own research."

    Comment: I assume Deputy Wimberely, had already checked all the available press statements and interviews, looking for the evidence to support the Chief Minister's view and has been unable to find anything, hence the question to Senator Ian Le Marquand. Deputy Wimberely was asking for just one example any one , but that was too much trouble for the man who went to exceptional un-requested lengths, to get his 'coconut' message across to all members, even producing pictures I understand. However, when actually asked to effectively highlight at least one piece of evidence, that if produced, may have closed the argument, nothing!! Doesn't sound like the same man. One can only assume, there isn't any evidence!, he's made it up, it's all in his head!!

    So perhaps each question time, members will have to ask more detailed questions about various reports to establish which bits, the Home Affairs Minister would claim to support such a view.

  10. Even States of Jersey for instance got Wiltshire to do a report on TLS

    and that report showed his incompetence how he wastes public money he was damaging Jerseys reputation he is corrupt not up to the job blah blah blah.

    On this report we could suspendd the Chief Minister?

    Would the Chief Minister have a right to reply?

    Damned right he would

  11. Rico

    Not sure which keys my fingers were using in previous post.

    1st Paragraph should of read. Imagine if the States of Jersey

    follow on from that post
    Imagine then if the Wiltshire report on TLS (the imagined report) If allegations were then reported over 5 pages in the Jersey Evening Post
    Imagine then if the report was sited as proof of Wiltshire police against TLS How horrendously unfair would that then be to TLS with no right of reply.

  12. Is there a text version of PLCs speech?

  13. We still have not a shred of evidence of why Graham Power was suspended ILM can not provide one piece of evidence to the house?

    TLS can not provide one piece of evidence to the house.

    More worrying this man was suspended in the middle of child abuse investigation.

    Deputies Constables Senators vetoing a request from public of Jersey for a written report to explain to the public how this is allowed to happen.

    Corrupt States of Jersey.

  14. A letter from Deputy Hill in the
    rag tonight.
    He finishes the letter by saying that nobody accepts responsibility for the debacle (meaning GP's suspension). Perhaps its the 'Jersey Way'.

    Lets hope that Deputy Hill hasnt given up on this debacle?

  15. "Lets hope that Deputy Hill hasnt given up".

    I have it on good authority that Deputy Hill, the "friends of Graham Power", Team Voice among others, including States Members are far from giving up and only getting started.

  16. http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline_jerseynews/displayarticle.asp?id=487847

  17. "Anonymous said...

    Is there a text version of PLCs speech?"

    I'm working on typing one up. I'll put it here when it's done.

  18. Thanks to the good work of Lenny Harper and Graham Power, more victims of abuse at the hands of the States of Jersey, have got some justice and hopefully closure regarding their experiences at Haut de la Garenne.

    I am delighted to see that Team Voice, Deputy Hill and others are going to continue the fight on behalf of Mr Power.

    I am sure these particular victims are very grateful to the two officers and pleased that they were willing to listen and believe.

  19. I can make a positive contribution to the success of our island, for all islanders whatever their background, circumstance or age.

    I have a track record of hard work and success and if elected I give you just one promise, and that’s my 100% commitment. Thank you.

    The above taken from Senator Macleans manifesto.

    100% commitment?