Adrian Lynch.
Adrian went missing on the 4/5th December 2015 after attending a work's party at the Merton Hotel. He remained missing for eight months until the discovery of his body on the 4th August 2016.
Adrian's funeral took place on Friday 19 August 2016 and a subsequent public memorial was held, on the same day, where, it is reported, more than three hundred islanders, family and friends, attended to pay their respects to Adrian. He is/was a very popular young man who clearly made a positive impact on many people's lives and will be sadly missed.
We, at Team Voice, and members of the public, are left with many un-answered questions and confusion. We are prepared to, and have, asked the questions (e-mail below) of the States of Jersey Police about the search and non discovery (for eight months) of Adrian in Handois Reservoir.
As is so often the case in Jersey, the official version of events don't appear to stack up under scrutiny, are contradictory, and, in places misleading.
Below is an e-mail sent from Team Voice to Superintendent Stewart Gull who appears to be "the face" of Operation Panama. It is unclear as to what has happened to the Senior Investigating Officer Lee Turner.
Detective Superintendent
Stewart Gull.
E-mail to Detective Superintendent Stewart Gull.
"Dear Detective Superintendent.
3). Due to the level of searching Handois reservoir was subjected to is it not reasonable to state that the evidence points to a high possibility that Mr Lynch might not have been in Handois Reservoir at the time of searching? This is also backed up by the pathologist report that appears on the States of Jersey Police Force.
"Dear Detective Superintendent.
Following the tragic discovery of the body of Adrian Lynch at the Handois Reservoir on Thursday August 4th 2016 we (Team Voice and Blog Readers) have a number of questions that would/could hopefully clear up a lot of confusion surrounding statements made by you in the local media, and possibly statements made by the local media themselves.
For ease of reference we will number our questions in the hope you will answer them by their numerical order to avoid any more confusion?
1). You have, on a number of occasions in the local media, stated that Handois Reservoir is “incredibly deep.” Our research tells us that, at its deepest, it is 4 metres. Could you confirm our research is correct, and further, that you consider 4 metres of water to be “incredibly deep” in the context of a reservoir being searched with specialist sonar equipment and divers?
2). Experts from Humberside South Yorkshire Search and Rescue came to the Island to assist in the search of Adrian Lynch. They came with a very high tech sonar (Hammerhead Seaking) which they deployed in Handois Reservoir?
(i) What was the maximum depth of the reservoir when they searched Handois?
(ii) How long did they spend searching Handois reservoir in total?
(iii) Did they record their Sonar Sweeps for future reference?
(iv) Did they leave Handois reservoir categorically stating that it was clear? We ask this as Handois is a very small volume of water in which to search.
(v) Did Humberside inform you that Handois was NOT extensively searched?
(vi) Did Humberside police write a report on its search of Handois Reservoir?
(vii) If so, will it be published? If not why not?
(viii) If Humberside DIDN'T write a report, why not?
(v) Did Humberside inform you that Handois was NOT extensively searched?
(vi) Did Humberside police write a report on its search of Handois Reservoir?
(vii) If so, will it be published? If not why not?
(viii) If Humberside DIDN'T write a report, why not?
4). If you are claiming that Mr Lynch WAS in Handois Reservoir from the night he went missing would you not agree that this is a gross failure of all agencies involved in searching this small area?
(i) By not discovering Mr Lynch in such a small body of water a week after he went missing could/would have caused undue distress and suffering for the Lynch family?
(ii) If Mr Lynch had been found back in December 2015 a more extensive post mortem could have been carried out and the cause of death ascertained?
(iii). Handois Reservoir was apparently a high priority search area?
(iv). Why wasn't Handois re-searched, when further searches of priority areas were carried out in July of this year?
(v) You have (on local "accredited" media) said Handois Reservoir had areas of "hostile terrain." Could you describe what you mean by "hostile terrain?"
(i) By not discovering Mr Lynch in such a small body of water a week after he went missing could/would have caused undue distress and suffering for the Lynch family?
(ii) If Mr Lynch had been found back in December 2015 a more extensive post mortem could have been carried out and the cause of death ascertained?
(iii). Handois Reservoir was apparently a high priority search area?
(iv). Why wasn't Handois re-searched, when further searches of priority areas were carried out in July of this year?
(v) You have (on local "accredited" media) said Handois Reservoir had areas of "hostile terrain." Could you describe what you mean by "hostile terrain?"
5). Have you or will you offer an unreserved apology to the Lynch family?
(i) If not, why not?
6). You said on BBC Radio Jersey that Operation Panama had no budget. Is it usual police practice for such a large-scale investigation not to have an allocated budget?
On Friday 5th August 2016, an article written by Jack Maguire was published in the Jersey Evening Post. The article stated;
"Handois Reservoir, which acts as a major water treatment works for the Island, is up to 30 metres deep (emphasis added) in places."
Jack Maguire has told Team Voice that he was quoting you when he wrote Handois was "30 metres deep in places." Interestingly he did NOT use quotation marks when allegedly quoting you on this sentence but did on other alleged quotes from you in his article.
7). Did you tell Jack Maguire that Handois Reservoir is "30 metres deep in places?"
(i) If so, why did you tell him that? As we know, at its deepest, Handois is only 4 metres deep.
When challenged by Team Voice regarding your alleged quote (30 metres deep) and the actual depth (4 metres) Mr. Maguire told us it must have been "a slip of the tongue" on your behalf and that you must have meant "30 feet."
(ii) Did you have a "slip of the tongue" and mean to say; "30 feet?"
(iii) If so, would you agree that 30 feet is more than twice the depth of Handois at its deepest and is misleading to the public?
Mr. Maguire has refused to correct this misleading information in his published JEP article telling Team Voice; "it will just confuse matters."
(iv) Did you read the article, and if so, have you asked Mr. Maguire to correct the misleading information? If not why not?
(v) Now that you are aware of the misleading article, will you be asking him to publish a correction, if not why not?
8). You have consistently repeated that the search for Adrian was "thorough and extensive." With hindsight do you believe Handois should have been drained and that; "thorough and extensive" could be perceived as misleading considering it wasn't drained?
(i) Why wasn't it drained?
(ii) How much would it have cost to drain the reservoir in comparison with the £14,000 paid to Humberside Police?
9). The pathologist has reportedly said that the remains of Adrian were consistent with a body that had been immersed in water for "several months." Exactly how many is "several?"
(i) Could Adrian's body have been in the reservoir for less than eight months?
10). Adrian was reportedly in possession of his house keys the night he went missing. Were they recovered with his body?
11) Can you categorically state there was no third party involvement in Adrian's disappearance and untimely death?
We strongly hope that you will answer the questions posed in this e-mail in order to prevent speculation and misreporting of the facts (as in the JEP)?
You will no doubt be aware, through social media, and comments left on "accredited" media sites that there is a fair amount of speculation and little trust/confidence in the way Operation Panama was handled. It is hoped you will answer our questions as full, frankly and honestly, as you can in an effort to curtail speculation/misreporting, and possibly most importantly restore some faith in the island's police force.
We will, in the interest of openness, and transparency, be publishing this e-mail on one of our Blogsites. Please be advised that your answers/reply will be considered for publication also.
We thank you for your time and look forward to you helping us keeping the record straight in this truly tragic turn of events.
N.McMurray/Rico Sorda."(END)
Team Voice DO have many other questions to put to the States of Jersey Police/DS Gull concerning Operation Panama and they will be published, or e-mailed to DS Gull, depending on what response we receive from these questions.
RIP Adrian Lynch.
(i) If not, why not?
6). You said on BBC Radio Jersey that Operation Panama had no budget. Is it usual police practice for such a large-scale investigation not to have an allocated budget?
On Friday 5th August 2016, an article written by Jack Maguire was published in the Jersey Evening Post. The article stated;
"Handois Reservoir, which acts as a major water treatment works for the Island, is up to 30 metres deep (emphasis added) in places."
Jack Maguire has told Team Voice that he was quoting you when he wrote Handois was "30 metres deep in places." Interestingly he did NOT use quotation marks when allegedly quoting you on this sentence but did on other alleged quotes from you in his article.
7). Did you tell Jack Maguire that Handois Reservoir is "30 metres deep in places?"
(i) If so, why did you tell him that? As we know, at its deepest, Handois is only 4 metres deep.
When challenged by Team Voice regarding your alleged quote (30 metres deep) and the actual depth (4 metres) Mr. Maguire told us it must have been "a slip of the tongue" on your behalf and that you must have meant "30 feet."
(ii) Did you have a "slip of the tongue" and mean to say; "30 feet?"
(iii) If so, would you agree that 30 feet is more than twice the depth of Handois at its deepest and is misleading to the public?
Mr. Maguire has refused to correct this misleading information in his published JEP article telling Team Voice; "it will just confuse matters."
(iv) Did you read the article, and if so, have you asked Mr. Maguire to correct the misleading information? If not why not?
(v) Now that you are aware of the misleading article, will you be asking him to publish a correction, if not why not?
8). You have consistently repeated that the search for Adrian was "thorough and extensive." With hindsight do you believe Handois should have been drained and that; "thorough and extensive" could be perceived as misleading considering it wasn't drained?
(i) Why wasn't it drained?
(ii) How much would it have cost to drain the reservoir in comparison with the £14,000 paid to Humberside Police?
9). The pathologist has reportedly said that the remains of Adrian were consistent with a body that had been immersed in water for "several months." Exactly how many is "several?"
(i) Could Adrian's body have been in the reservoir for less than eight months?
10). Adrian was reportedly in possession of his house keys the night he went missing. Were they recovered with his body?
11) Can you categorically state there was no third party involvement in Adrian's disappearance and untimely death?
We strongly hope that you will answer the questions posed in this e-mail in order to prevent speculation and misreporting of the facts (as in the JEP)?
You will no doubt be aware, through social media, and comments left on "accredited" media sites that there is a fair amount of speculation and little trust/confidence in the way Operation Panama was handled. It is hoped you will answer our questions as full, frankly and honestly, as you can in an effort to curtail speculation/misreporting, and possibly most importantly restore some faith in the island's police force.
We will, in the interest of openness, and transparency, be publishing this e-mail on one of our Blogsites. Please be advised that your answers/reply will be considered for publication also.
We thank you for your time and look forward to you helping us keeping the record straight in this truly tragic turn of events.
N.McMurray/Rico Sorda."(END)
Team Voice DO have many other questions to put to the States of Jersey Police/DS Gull concerning Operation Panama and they will be published, or e-mailed to DS Gull, depending on what response we receive from these questions.
RIP Adrian Lynch.
For related Blogs published by Team Voice on the disappearance/police investigation of Adrian Lynch please click on the labels at the bottom of the posting. Alternatively please click on the links below.
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 5.
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 7/8
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY/13/14
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 31/32
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 35/36
Adrian Lynch THE OFFICIAL LINE QUESTIONED.
Adrian Lynch Investigation. QUESTIONS TO THE STATES OF JERSEY POLICE.
Adrian Lynch UPDATE.
Adrian Lynch SATES OF JERSEY POLICE PRESS RELEASE
Video of Adrian Lynch's Last Reported KNOWN MOVEMENTS.
Adrian Lynch. North Coast SEARCH.
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 5.
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 7/8
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY/13/14
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 31/32
Adrian Lynch still missing. DAY 35/36
Adrian Lynch THE OFFICIAL LINE QUESTIONED.
Adrian Lynch Investigation. QUESTIONS TO THE STATES OF JERSEY POLICE.
Adrian Lynch UPDATE.
Adrian Lynch SATES OF JERSEY POLICE PRESS RELEASE
Video of Adrian Lynch's Last Reported KNOWN MOVEMENTS.
Adrian Lynch. North Coast SEARCH.
Adrian Lynch Operation Panama CASE CLOSED?
Adrian Lynch. BODY FOUND.
This JEP 'journalist' Jack Maguire tells the public that a 4 metre deep reservoir is 30 metres deep (that is around SEVEN times the truth according to the Jersey Waterworks Company!)
ReplyDeleteMaguire then tells you he was just quoting the senior Police Officer who one might expect to know the true facts.
Maguire then refuses your request that the public be advised of the misleading statements made in the newspaper.
If ever any of we islanders wondered why the JEP (our only local newspaper unfortunately) has been abandoned by approximately half its former readers in recent years I think you have given us the answer.
Sloppy, unprofessional journalism. Or perhaps deliberately misleading journalism.
One really has to wonder exactly what it takes to get the glorious title of being "accredited".
It sure as eggs is eggs can have nothing to do with quality.
Good point about accreditation Anonymous. I would add the following question. Why do Ministers and States departments continue to give priority to journalists of Maguire and the JEP, BBC, ITV calibre generally over bloggers such as yourselves when any one can see that in terms of truthfulness and quality you knock them in to a cocked hat. Perhaps the answer lies in your other comment? This being that such organisations are used because they are happy to mislead the public and paint a particular picture for the States?
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you ask Mr Gull for an interview and then put these questions to him?
ReplyDeleteThe cops, and Home Affairs Minister, have refused me an interview claiming they only give interviews to "accredited" media.
DeleteEnlightening. Looks like anonymous @09.53 was bang on the money.
DeleteAm I mistaken in thinking you have got interviews with Ministers in the past (when it suited them)?
DeleteIndeed I have interviewed a number of Ministers and politicians from across the political divide. Not one of them have ever complained about the published interview, in fact, I have had nothing but positive feedback from those I have interviewed.
DeleteVFC, perhaps you could ask the SOJP to clarify what exactly they mean by "accredited media"? Accredited to what? I am not aware of any statutory accreditation process, and I would therefore ask them to provide the legal underpinning on which they unilaterally decide who they will treat as an accredited journalist.
DeleteThere is no real definition of "accredited" it is just a word they use to avoid answering real questions.
DeleteThat is the point. They are a publicly accountable body, and are therefore required not only to act in accordance with the law, but to be open and impartial.
DeleteIn order to legitimately claim that they will only deal with questions from the accredited media, the onus is on them to demonstrate to you that they are following either legislation or offical guidelines. The starting point is for them to provide you with a written copy of their media policy, evidence that the concept of an accredited media actually exists in law, and a copy of any application process to become accredited media. Perhaps an FOI request would be required.
Oh dear. Perhaps they haven't got a media strategy. Or at least one that can be revealed to the plebs.
DeleteBring back Lenny Harper :)
Thank you VoiceChildren for asking the questions that we are all asking amongst ourselfs. Please let us know as soon as the police reply.
ReplyDeleteThe Police will never reply to this and you know that already.
ReplyDeleteAt least they are trying to get some answers to rule out if anything untoward happened. Its not as if Adrian was walking on the beach and got swept away by a wave, somehow he ended up unfound for 8 months in a reservoir. In 2016 public services have to be accountable for their actions and an explanation other than equipment/dogs are not infallible, it was too deep and hostile terrain should be given. It is 2016 not the 1960s and any of us in public service have to be accountable and justify our actions.
DeleteThe comment at 10:22 just may be correct, but surely that is the point of the questions, these are straight forward questions that require a straight forward reply by the SOJP. To NOT answer these questions on the basis of "you are not accredited media" will be the most damning cop out (excuse the pun) of all. I will not quote the Oxford Dictionary and Thesaurus regarding 'accredited' but anyone can look it up, and 12:51 above hit the nail on the head. Perhaps the law officers can give clear directive as to 'how' the likes of the JEP, BBC, ITV etc. have achieved this 'accreditation' and what is it based on...ISO 9001?, 9002? in other words WHAT certifying body has given accreditation to these so called 'Accredited Media'. Now on to a further point and it flows from the many questions put to the SOJP above, in today's world of forensic sciences there is very, very little that can stay hidden. With that in mind and from the limited photos of the scene of discovery I would have as a guess that Adrian was discovered on the western side of the reservoir because of the overhanging trees. So surely it should be possible to discover just exactly 'where' Adrian managed to somehow enter the high point of the reservoir and presumably fall in. He would have left fibres from clothing etc. at his point of entry, was there a fence? did he crash through bushes, trees?. I personally find it very hard to believe that this young man somehow on a pitch black night with no personal illumination (i.e torch) somehow entered what should by all accounts be a very secure site. I really do hope Superintendent Gull will be forthcoming with full and honest answers because Adrian's family and all of his friends deserve nothing less. This whole episode is a very dark mark on this Islands capability to function as it should. RIP Adrian
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ReplyDeleteGood journalism by professionals must be about research and then asking the right questions as you both have done on your blog by following the trail of the police investigation and here is the bottom line, once you have that information then checking it with A) the source and B) any other professional references.
Had Mr Maguire ( supposed paid reporter ) from the JEP done so, he would not have come out with the load of tosh about the depth of Handois Reservoir.
Professional research and reporting should be about following the facts and reflecting this in the article or report. The Jersey police are looking sloppy yet again which could be also be looked upon as uncaring or plain not bothered. The JEP on not wishing to correct an obvious error's shows in broad day light what utter contempt Mr Sibcy ( editor ) and his reporters hold for their shrinking readership.
There is obviously something badly wrong with the Jersey Police Force with the inaccurate bullish*t they have come out with or like the Jersey Evening Post do they think people are so stupid and therefore treated with utter contempt ?
Of course I may be wrong, let us see the response given to your email. While most homes on Jersey have computers and the growing numbers are getting honest information from the internet in open reporting. The JEP has less power now than the past and unless it starts treating it's readers like informed adults it will be lucky to survive another five years unless big adverts start appearing for all the States quangos, and departments which will keep it from sinking and confirm the rag as Mr T. Pitman stated, the true mouth piece of the Government and not a guardian of truth for the people.
A well formulated list of questions. They have to be asked. Unfortunately in Jersey people who ask meaningful thought provoking questions are so often frowned upon. The disappearance of this young man and subsequent discovery unfortunately leaves more unanswered questions than answered.
ReplyDeleteNot just frowned upon Pat, bankrupted or imprisoned by the Jersey Bailiff's corrupt courts and even bounced over the bonnet of a speeding car. In the latter case while the equally corrupt Jersey police do nothing. The above examples are what happens to our best elected representatives and if anyone doubts me they have all been reported on by this blog. Is it any wonder most of us keep our head down? Consider me. I have a year left to get my exams finished at work. Once that is done I am out of here. I'm only 22 and I love Jersey in so many ways. But it has sold its soul past the point of retrieval.
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ReplyDelete" The cops, and Home Affairs Minister, have refused me an interview claiming they only give interviews to "accredited" media "
Then they consider that Chief Minister Gorst, Senator Ozouf, Ex Senator Ferguson,Ex Senator Syvret and other important people have been unafraid to give open blog interviews but the police ( serving the community ) and home affairs minister ( rely on the publics vote ) hide in plain sight. Just cowards with a lot to hide ?
Complete bull as you say. How many interviews did elected States Members like Trevor and Shona Pitman, Montfort Tadier, Mike Higgins and Bob Hill do over the years with "unaccredited" media like vfc. The stance from ministers and the police is cowardly. They are meant to both serve and answer to us.
DeleteHow come no one asked these questions when they found young Adrian? Regarding the "Hostile Terrain" what exactly does he mean or is it just buzz words to keep people happy.
ReplyDeleteUtter respect to both you and Rico for your continuing to attempt to find answers to a lot of outstanding questions. Questions that require honest and open answers, because this will not go away until this happens. Clearly the SoJP think we are all fools as it appears so do the JEP, and for reporter to give a response like that is an utter disgrace. Seemingly it is alright to give incorrect information and not bother to stand corrected. If Adrian had followed the route that it is believed he took he would have entered Handois Reservoir at the North East end, and this is where he was found. WHY was he not found earlier???
ReplyDeleteJust as an aside to this the other headline in Saturday's JEP was about the lack of help for Morgan Huelin from CAMHS, saying he 'did not fit the criteria'. I don't wish to swear but what the **** is that all about? Clearly from the reports of previous behaviour and depression he most certainly did fit the criteria. Another failed family and a lost young life. Oh - and guess what? CAMHS do not wish to make a comment.
Until both these agencies DO make comments we have to assume they are unable to because they have something to hide.
It is incredible how many times those of us reading and commenting on this blog find ourselves needing to quote or refer to former Deputy Trevor Pitman. But I well remember him highlighting how in his professional experience troubled teenagers were regularly facing waits of up to three months to see someone at CAMHS to try and get help. What the hell does that say about the priorities of our far right government?
DeleteApologies - I meant the North West end of the reservoir.
ReplyDeleteA key issue also relates to the independent review of operation Panama by police 'experts' from the UK -
ReplyDeletea) Were they fully briefed that Handois was not extensively search by the Humberside team, if not why not and decided not to fully brief them?
b) If they were correctly briefed what were their recommendations to complete the search of Handois as surly this was a key area to fully search - cannot believe they would have, given their experience in the UK not make recommendations to engage alternative specialists in order to complete the required full search.
c) Will the report and its recommendations now be published, if not why the secrecy? Surely if there were shortcomings is it not more important any tragic cases in the future are aware of what went wrong in Jersey to ensure it never happens again?
Last but not least surprised the MSM have not focused on if the Humberside team had prawn cocktails whilst in Jersey and if so how much it cost!!
Hope you don't mind me straying off subject but can you give an update on how much the abuse inquiry has cost Jersey so far? Also is there a predicted final total? Thank ye kindly.
ReplyDeleteWhatever the final cost of the Abuse Inquiry it will be money well spent if the final outcome and report is as it should be. The fact that many, many children were failed by the very services that were supposed to be there to protect them and failed dismally and furthermore covered up in an attempt to save their own backs.
DeleteThere is no cost that could be put on that.
Wholly agree, Jill. Just wondered where we are right now. We all know the majority of the millions has been hijacked by the States' lawyers while many victims have been fobbed off with comparative pennies.
DeleteJill as always spot on the money. One thing that has always bothered me about the whole HDLG time frame is simply this. The JEP has been this Islands so called newspaper for over one hundred years, are we all seriously expected to believe that this paper and all its past editors and reporters 'never ever' knew what was going on? And more to the point WHO was involved? the whole basis of news papers is to keep Government and all those involved in Government 'in check' this will hang like the sword of Damocles over their collective heads forever.
DeleteThe States lawyers were not paid out of COI funds so far as I know
DeleteIs it feasible for you to do another video from the last point Adrian was seen to the route to the north west of the reservoir so that non locals can see how he may have got there. And just to clarify any possible readons why he would have gone that way? Is it a short cut home? If not, then was he running/hiding or could he have been disorientated? Should the Police not look back where the cadaver dogs, drones, searchers went and try to establish what happened. What about that car load of lads, the man in a mustard suit and the taxi - did they ever come forward?
ReplyDeleteHave the police acknowledge the email?
ReplyDeleteNot yet.
DeleteHave you received an acknowledgment of said email"
DeleteNo.
DeleteSame today?
DeleteIt would be nice if the family could have a little memorial stone or bench where Adrian was found.
ReplyDeleteLike the idea of a memorial but not sure if I would want one at the site of such a tragedy. Think a more upbeat, positive place for a memorial would be better for family , friends and others to be able to sit and think of this young man, life etc. Not to forget think about how we need to clean this bent island leadership up.
DeleteWhat a tragic story. Young man disappears for 8 months. An initial all agency response for 4 weeks then what? The Police retreat to their offices waiting for something to happen. They failed on every level but who are they accountable to?
ReplyDeleteTo us, via their "watchdogs" the Police Authority and the Police Complaints Authority.
DeleteWeb addresses:
http://www.jerseypoliceauthority.je/
http://www.gov.je/Government/Comments/Pages/PoliceComplaintsAuthority.aspx
(I have to say that it looks as if the Police Complaints Authority will be no use in this case)
Great news in the Jersey Evening Pravda. We are to get a local to replace Bowron. Eventually.
ReplyDeleteBad news. The last time we had one was Bob Le Breton.
The man who failed to challenge Philip Bailhache and Michael Birt on not prosecuting his fellow Le Breton clan member and Jurat John for helping to protect the paedophile Jervis-Dykes at Vic College.
Priceless.
Read Anton Cornelissen's witness statement to the Care Inquiry.Its unbelievable.
I have read the statement of the former police officer named above. Doing so leaves me with two questions. Firstly how was it that the individual in question was not prosecuted? Secondly how was it that he was then allowed to remain as a Jurat? You sure have a disturbing kind of a justice system in your island. I read this blog regularly and often when I do read the stories and comments I conclude that if I lived there I would be chopping down a tree and making a dugout canoe.
DeleteIt is called the Jersey Way anonymous. As for the dug out canoe thanks for putting an idea in my head. Have to be more reliable and cheaper than another joke we have here called Condor Ferries.
DeleteIs there anything else that can be done to try and force the public release of the report into Adrian's case? For example could a proposition be brought to the States?
ReplyDeleteNo because its under Police Operational matters and a Freedom of Information request will also not work as these reports are exempt.
DeleteExemptions from FOI does NOT mean (in Jersey) that documents cannot/will not be published. Who could forget the disgraceful (and possibly illegal) actions of former Home Affairs Minister, Ian Le Marquand? The day he set a VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT.
DeleteWould you consider writing to the Ministry of Justice about your worries concerning Policing and Justice in Jersey. ncies.pdf
ReplyDeleteMyself, former Deputy Trevor Pitman and Deputy Mike Higgins, and others, have made submissions to the Ministry of Justice Select Committee regarding the alleged political, and judicial, corruption on the island. My submission can be read HERE.
DeleteContained in that posting are links to Deputy Higgins' submission which can be directly accessed HERE. And former Deputy Trevor Pitman's submission can be viewed HERE.
Is the Michael Bowyer who passed away recently the same person who was formerly the centre manager of Greenfields?
DeleteSadly writing to the ironically titled Minister of 'Justice' does no good. Primarily because our wonderful Queen, of which our island is a 'Crown Peculiar' does not give a damn about 'Her' subjects and through her lackeys like the Lieutenant-Governor and bent Crown Appointed spivs like the Bailiff and Attorney General are all in on the corruption. At best they support it by their silence and inactivity. The excellent submissions above only confirm this.
DeleteDid Adrain not have a distinctive ring on his finger, has it been found?
ReplyDeleteCan the national papers be contacted to pick up the story? The Times and The Daily Mail both featured stories whn Adrian was missing? i wonder why his belt was at the back of that house? And still why non of the dogs picked his scent up when so close by. Is it case closed and down as misadventure then with no inquiry into what may have happened that night?
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous.
ReplyDeleteYes, it is case closed.
We await the full inquest where hopefully some of our questions will be answered.
Rico
Sorry to be a pain but this case has been so sprawling in its tragic unfolding it is easy for some of us to get confused.
DeleteWhat I would like clarified for my own understanding is this.
1 - When precisely date wise was Handois first searched?
2- Was a statement made by police claiming the reservoir HAD been EXTENSIVELY searched, and if so was this claim made by Jersey police or Humberside?
3-When did the post-body find claim that Handois actually HAD NOT been extensively searched arise?
Sorry if I am being dum but I am trying to answer questions for both my own peace of mind and with friends at university I have been keeping up to date with this tragic story.
Thanks in advance for your time.
I thought Jersey police said that Handois had been extensively searched to their satisfaction with Sonar?
DeleteDon't remember any mention of hostile terrain preventing them from doing this either.
Didn't someone from Humberside come on telling everyone how brilliant this Sonar was as it could be manipulated around at different angles?
This was the SOJP official statement concerning the search (in general not specifically Handois) when it was being scaled down back in December:
Delete“We have methodically and systematically searched everywhere that we believe Adrian could be, anywhere where there has been some potential sighting or where he may have subsequently travelled. We still believe he may well be in that area somewhere, but it is in a difficult place where we have been unable to find him".
Note in particular the last sentence - it is quite clear from their statement that they very much made it clear that they believed he may well be still in that area, just in a difficult place for them to find him. Exactly what ultimately proved to be the case.
In respect of the Humberside police and sonar, the only official statement released that specifically mentioned them (that I can locate) stated:
Delete"As well as these agencies two officers from Humberside Police are in the island with the latest sonar equipment searching large expanses of water which have proved difficult for States divers due to depth and visibility."
Great value for £14.000 of our taxpayers money. Not. Whatever one thinks, corruption or incompetence, the report must come out and someone needs to take responsibility. How about it Mr Bowron?
DeleteAre we seriously meant to believe that sat on a tender in a comparatively small area of water properly used portable sonar would not have picked up a human body; but it would small fish and even an old car tyre?
DeleteDon't give us the bull about 'hostile terrain' either. A degree of over-hanging trees and brambles would be exactly the signal to utilise the sonar very painstakingly there.
Alright, not if you knew there was no body there in the first place.
Have the Police acknowledge receipt of this e-mail yet?
ReplyDeleteCan someone point me to any explanation as to where Adrian's belt was found, where it was found and how close to Handois?
ReplyDeletePolice statement:
DeleteAdrian’s belt was located on the Saturday by a householder in his garden in Le Passage, near to the boundary with Cooke’s Roses Farm. It was loosely coiled. A friend of Adrian has said that Adrian occasionally removed his belt and carried it in a coiled fashion. It is believed that at some point Adrian had removed and was carrying his belt. It is possible that he dropped or placed this when either leaving or entering the garden near to the Cooke’s Roses Farm complex, possibly at around 02:30 if the last report of hearing shouting related to Adrian passing southwards through the site.
The Stewart Gull that worked for the Suffolk Police fought for justice, giving straight, honest interviews to the media. I do not recognize the same man! What on earth has happened to him?!!! I follow it ALL on here...& I'm shocked at the islands dark corruption system & no other authorities ANYWHERE can sort them out! But there will be justice one day....God is much bigger than the powers that be & I wouldn't want to be in their shoes!!
ReplyDeleteOne does not need the benefit of hindsight to know that Handois and nearby waterbodies should have been the absolute priority of the search. The simple, sad fact is that the search of Handois was not only demonstrably deficient, but the Jersey police knew it. So the question for Bowron is this: given that he knew that Humberside police had not been able to perform a satisfactory search of the reservoir, what further steps did he take to exclude Handois from enquiries?
ReplyDeleteI'll say it again nor make any apologies for doing so. If this was Graham Power and Lenny Harper they would have been slaughtered. Or just continuously suspended until they reached retirement age. Stinks.
ReplyDeleteCan anybody explain why a belt would be at the back of this garden? What would he be doing at the back of a garden? And why would you go to a reservoir at 3am? He didnt sound the type to go tramping round someones garden.
ReplyDeleteThis thing with the belt in a completely different place to Adrian's mobile and wallet really doesn't ring true with the explanations suggested.
DeleteI also don't understand how so many walkers and passing cars can't be traced or haven't willingly come forward.
How hard did the police push for answers?
The Police have acknowledged the email and have said wait for the final inquest. We can do no more than that.
ReplyDeleteI bet the inquest will say unknown cause of death, down to misadventure. Dont give up try and find the answers for justice for the lad and for his family and friends 8 months of torture. You sure wouldnt want to get a taxi after a night out over there thats for sure, nor have an accident or go missing. Scary stuff.
DeleteI really hope the inquest is NOT under any control of the Jersey system because if it is we can all predict the outcome.
DeleteThat was supposed to say tramplng not tramping? Not knowing the lad, or the area, after everything Ive read I ask because it seems as if he was hiding? If it was misadventure and down to being drunk and disorientated why cant the Police release a bit more info to appease peoples' concerns? Unless he was cornered in the garden and put into a car and then put in the reservoir weeks later. I know when Ive been partying I fall asleep after too much drink not walk around for hours. Th story just doesnt seem to fit misadventure not like the lass in York or the lad in durham who both fell into rivers after drinking and died. Those rivers were at the side of footpaths. Adrians story doesnt seem to fit the profile of misadventure. You just want justice for the lad.
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ReplyDeleteSurely a good question to the Humberside Police would be: Are Humberside Police satisfied with their £14,000 nothing found in Handois result. Considering two of their highly trained officers from their Police Force were brought to the island with the state of the art, fool proof, sonar equipment? Not only questions to Jersey Police need to be asked.
Can I just say what a great job you and Rico have done in keeping this story alive and asking the questions that our police needed to face.
ReplyDeleteVery true. You are both Jersey legends.
DeleteAbolutely.
DeleteAnd not forgetting all the hard work that goes into the actual blogging, the intensive research behind the scenes, sacrifices made and abuse borne with fortitude.
Right on Polo. The boys are great. Just as well too because nowadays in the States all we have is Deputy Mike Higgins. Another Jersey legend. He does such great work toofor our economy with the brilliant Air Display every year.
DeleteWhen is the inquest to be announced?
ReplyDeleteYou have raised some very important questions. The one issue for me is the combined search of the reservoir finding nothing apart from a tyre and some fish. Hopefully the inquest will clear up the reason Mr Lynch lay submerged and undiscovered for 8 months. The body should rise to the surface anytime between 1 to 8 weeks depending on water temperature and depth. Do members of the public or water board ever visit the reservoir.
ReplyDeleteCan we have an update on the election hustings this week please? You are the only site to offer unbiased reporting of all candidates.
ReplyDeleteWhat's to do now?
ReplyDeleteFirstly the inquest.
Of course the main purpose is to establish cause of death and to help the family by doing this.
But in this case, the cause of death is a mystery, since the police version of events does not make sense. But will the coroner even go there at all, nvolving as it does searching questioning of the police account??
So is it possible, with the consent of the family and friends, to acquire a status which allows that person to ask questions? Or for family and friends to ask questions?
Secondly, the external review
Some have called for it to be published. I am not sure this is the way to go.
I don’t think that external reviews of major investigations are normally published. They are, as we know from the controversy surrounding the Met Police review of Operation Rectangle, not intended to assign blame but to improve performance.
Note that a) We can't all run the police force! and b) (as an aside) these reviews MUST NOT be used for disciplinary purposes. Of course the Met Report was used for exactly that to suspend Graham Power.
So what in this case can we demand - as it seems absolutely clear that the police investigation and their explanations do not make sense?
Well, first, we must demand answers to questions, as Team Voice have done. However the police have refused this request.
If we believe the Police are acting in good faith in this case, then it is fine to wait until the inquest, when the details of the search, a coherent explanation of what happened etc. will be given, or if the police have failed and they admit it, then at least we will have something like the truth. Note that this depends pretty well entirely on the personality and drive to establish the truth of the coroner.
Relevant questions in this connection - are coroners in Jersey from Jersey or from outside? How many people will be there?
However if we believe the Police may be acting in bad faith in this case, and there is something being hidden, then saying “wait until the inquest” is a brush-off, they are making us wait and after the inquest, which they believe will be a controlled affair, no one will be any the wiser, and the mystery will remain, which would be appalling for the family and for us all.
Second, we can get the Police Authority to grill the police chief on this whole affair, and if his answers are not OK then they should commission a genuine review of the investigation (as they have resources which we do not have, and furthermore, it is their job!!).
Important question as an aside, are their hearings with the Police Chief in public, and if not why not . . . . ? The hearings of the equivalent body in London are.
Third, if there is still no satisfactory outcome, then there will have to be a public campaign to get HMIC (Her Majesty’s Inspector of Constabulary) to do a one-off Inquiry or even to get HMG to intervene by looking into the matter.
This does not look good.
Inquest - as to whether there will be a robust and detailed grilling of the Jersey Police and their actions, forget it!
ReplyDeleteThe Jersey Establishment will ensure the 'right person' is in the chair and the MSM can be relied to keep quiet (as they have - interesting there has been no comments following VFC reasonable questions / observations).
Are you planning a new post soon?
ReplyDeleteLet's be clear, despite all the speculation over the last 8 months, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Adrian's death was anything other than misadventure. None.
ReplyDeleteFar too many commenters on this blog are only too willing to construct conspiracy theories to 'fill in the gaps', and to project their antipathy towards the local authorities onto any incident of significance.
Assuming there is no material evidence that is not in the public domain, the only possible conclusions to an inquest must be either an open verdict, (i.e. it's too uncertain to draw any conclusions), or death by misadventure. The most plausible scenario is that Adrian, in his confused state, fell into Handois reservoir and drowned, and that his body somehow became snagged underwater, e.g. by fallen branches.
Are there other possibilities? Well, yes, of course there are. But in the absence of ANY evidence to the contrary, it is pointless to speculate beyond the most likely scenario.
The Jersey police have not covered themselves in glory here. The fact that they failed to undertake an exhaustive search of a large body of water within a short distance of Adrian's last known position is shocking, and the investigation should be subject to an independent inquiry. However, it is beyond stupid to start talking about the police acting in bad faith, or hinting that they have colluded in a coverup of an unlawful killing. It is also extremely disrespectful towards Adrian's family, who have surely suffered enough without their son being used as a character in some anti-establishment fantasy.
Well said. I will also add that in terms of the search - it is all very well saying in hindsight that they didn't do enough to search the reservoir, and they didn't. But decisions as to the level of resources to employ can only be taken based on considerations at the time. They did use divers who weren't able to do a complete search and they augmented it with specialist sonar from the UK, both of which didn't discover the body. It is all very well saying now that they clearly needed to do more, but at the time they had done quite a lot, and had no evidence that he was in there.
DeleteAre you Mike Bowron or Mr Gull? While it is obviously wrong to assume a cover up me thinks you protest too much.
DeleteThe acid test is just compare the good faith and extreme efforts Power and Harper displayed to try and set right decades of Jersey establishment cover up.
Would they be afforded the same degree of 'they did their best' you are proposing for this shambles?
In reply to Jack 13:27.
ReplyDelete"Let's be clear, despite all the speculation over the last 8 months, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Adrian's death was anything other than misadventure. None."
Did the taxi at 2:30 passing Thistle Grove heading South (Adrian's last sighting) ever come forward? You use the term 'conspiracy theories' when none have been offered. I agree that 'open verdict' could well be the outcome of the inquest.
There is a double whammy here. There can be absolutely no doubt that the Jersey Police have made one almighty balls up here. We have the right for privacy and closure for the family and the 'public interest' in the Police handling of this sad and tragic case. One can hide behind the other. How does the person captured on CCTV - who seems to be walking fine - tally in with such a terrible conclusion. There are many unanswered questions.
You suggest that Handois Reservoir is a (large body) of water. That is very suggestive. Handois is in fact relatively small and shallow if compared to the other reservoirs we have on the Island. This is what the Police said in their May 2016 press release.
"There are a number of water sites in the general area ranging from garden ponds to the Handois and Dannemarche reservoirs. A number of these aspects could be and were covered by trained Fire and Rescue officers and divers from TTS. Other more challenging aspects were reviewed and where applicable covered by sonar specialists from Humberside Police."
Humberside were called in to cover the more challenging aspects where applicable. You can't fault that. Handois was a very small search area for them. If you research what they do you will see this. When they left what did they tell the Jersey Police? Sorry, we can't search this small reservoir because it's 4 mtrs deep and is located in "Hostile Terrain". There are no conspiracy theories just some very important questions that might or might not get answered.
One thing that must happen is the SOJP needs to be externally reviewed by the HMIC
Rico
One could say that there is equally enough evidence to suggest anything other than misadventure.
ReplyDeleteIf Humberside left saying that they couldn't do a complete search when they came to Jersey in December why didn't they go back in July when they checked some places again. Could it be because they were sure he wasn't in there?.
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ReplyDeletePlaced with Bailiwick Express comments section in reply to Mike Bowron's latest waffle regarding the States of Jersey Police. Unlikely to be published as they are also reliant on storys from the Governments spin doctors and paid States employee's.
And yet after eight months, help from a specialised UK police force and publicised extensive searches the Jersey Police force are so professional that it took two waterworks employees to find young Adrian, a sad case indeed.
The Jersey police force are good at talking the talk but obviously having trouble coming up with the results. Time for a long overdue independent state's of Jersey top to bottom police review, that has not happened for years and less talk from Mike Bowron.
Words are cheap and expendable and Jersey statistics ( part of the Chief Ministers department ) unreliable.
The Statistics Unit (in the Chief Ministers department) don't produce the statistics on the police / crime - they are produced by the police themselves with oversight from the police authority.
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ReplyDeleteHow do the police authority confirm the figures are accurate, by going back to the authors who are the police themselves.
Can anyone say this is a robust and effective system ?
At least States schools engage an independent inspectorate, or will the teachers be producing their own statistics and reports in future to show they are excellent ?
Bonkers.
The same way that all other police authorities do - they review and monitor the procedures for recording the stats and also do random audits of individual cases to ensure they aren't being manipulated.
DeleteDon't forget that Steven Corbet is still missing in Guernsey. Must be 2 months now. The Guernsey Police gave up looking 2 months ago.. It seems to be a Police policy thing.
ReplyDeleteSaving money until new evidence comes to light you mean.
DeleteDon't know if you are doing another of your excellent by-election blogs but if you are I would like to offer my support for Mr Mezec's Reform party over the latest teaching proposals?
ReplyDeleteCutting new teachers' salaries by £8.000 is scandalous when thanks to the likes of Gorst, Ozouf and Maclean we have companies over here paying zero tax under 0/10.
We all look forward to VFC/s next by-election blog.
DeleteIn the meantime this looks a reasonable read:
http://tonymusings.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/daves-dummies-guide-to-2016-senatorial.html
The guest writer comes to his conclusion which is fair enough.
He speaks highly of several candidates including SAM MEZEC but suggests not voting for Sam because a nodding dog could win Sam's vacated Deputy seat. I disagree with this logic because Sam's old seat is surely fertile ground for another capable Reform candidate?
What do other people think?
The splitting of the vote between the various non establishment candidates may be a huge problem in this election. Can anyone withdraw at the 10th or 11th hour and lend their support to the candidate with the best chance?
You know the Jersey Way is still operating smoothly when the ailing JEP gives a page of coverage to the useless Mike Bowron managing to arrest a drunk during his lunch time cruise through St Helier.
ReplyDeleteHere is a by-election blog.
ReplyDeleteits all bolloxs.
under 20% turn out
May will win because only the conservatives will vote
Nothing ever changes.
Rico
No nothing will ever change with an apathetic, gutless attitude like that Rico. With attitudes like yours you begin to see why the few good people we have had had in the States start to think screw this for a game of soldiers.
DeletePeople should vote in the bi-election even if it is only injustices like Adrian's they care about.
DeleteLike it or not we need even the miniscule number of decent people we have had in the States to make things like this as high a profile as possible.
Jersey has always been a majority Right Wing Island because of the Finance Industry.
DeleteIt wasn't right after the war - that is why the right set up the fake Jersey Progressive Party and the JEP helped rig the election by refusing to allow the 'peoples' movement' of the Jersey Democratic Movement with more than 5.000 members to even advertise their manifesto. This alliance with their chums standing as independents saw the people conned and it has been far-right utopia for the spivs ever since. Still doesn't mean we should give up though. Every empire falls eventually. This one will fall when the big nations shut down our tax evasion industry. Probably within four to five years. Quicker if the barmy Bailhaches get their dram of independence. Glad I am retired really but feel sorry for our youngsters.
DeleteYou are so right Rico
ReplyDeleteRico. Don't turn in to Russell Brand. No matter how bad things are. And they are bad. We should still all vote.
DeleteMartin@14.31
DeleteAre you really saying that you could not even name two or three people who were or are worth voting for? Even I don't think it is that bad and I am a pessimist!
Mike dun is the only vote mike is clear in what he wants to do unlike the rest all talk they can not do what they say even if they had 8 year to do it.
DeleteIndeed Rico is right, but he has not said he will not vote. Your 'blog' was short and sweet but truthful Rico inasmuch NOTHING will change.
DeleteMartin@20.15
DeleteSo you really claim that none of our current or ex States Members have ever been worth voting for? Really?
When is the inquest on Adrian and will it be a public one? Well done for keeping the story alive. You are our island's only true and independent media these days.
ReplyDeleteHave you had any further contact from the police regarding your questions?
ReplyDeleteWhat possible change are people expecting on the morning after the night before?
ReplyDeleteI have followed, studied the States of Jersey for years. The chamber is lost to most of us and that is the honest truth.
The Establishment control through collective responsibility and the De-Facto constable party.
Fact.
How can you be sure that there will be no change? If Stevie Ocean wins we will finally have a politician who is respected on the world stage! Surely it would have to be a good thing having a States member who has a direct phone link to the people with their fingers on the nuclear buttons? #whateverhappenedto stevieocean?
DeleteIf Stevie speaks to any world political figure it must be Donald Trump. Having said that I would like to see the States adopt one of Trump's proposals. Building a huge wall around the parish of St Mary.
DeleteSounds a good idea. So long as you can guarantee their Constable will be stuck on the inside.
DeleteRico iv said this before and been shot down. what we need is open rebellion all the talk has been done to death nothing but nothing changes only way I see change is to take to the streets and fight for change.
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Deleteif gerrymandered democracy isn't working then your suggestion is entirely logical.
The challenge is to either find a way to make the island ungovernable or a way to hurt only those responsible for the situation and the injustices.
Force of numbers is unlikely to work because if people cannot be mobilised to vote then how are they going to be mobilised to take march or blockade?
It will take a long time to build a better island. In the meantime it will keep getting worse.
The shysters will see the end coming and will get out leaving middle Jersey to flounder and drown
When they wake up it will be too late
There is no Plan B
Hello Pop-Pickers.
DeleteI posted a comment telling your many readers to look out for the soon to be launched live TV streaming of our wonderful States sittings. For some reason it hasn't appeared though.
Can I just say please all try to watch this when it starts so that you can see who does what or rather doesn't do anything. No names Constables.
I am particularly excited about soon being able to watch the Reform Jersey politicians as I am a huge fan, particularly of Sam Mezec.
Anyone know how the hustings went last night? did Mike Dun win hands down again like he has at each four of the ones I have been able to attend? Really hope Mike gets elected. Grouchy he might be but a man more dedicated to making Jersey a fairer place you will struggle to find.
DeleteI will be voting for Mr Dun as well. Talks more sense than the rest put together.
DeleteNick Le Cornu is ahead of all of them.
ReplyDeleteI would have considered voting for Nick Le Cornu once. His politics are on the right side i.e. the left side. Unfortunately when he did manage to get elected and in to the States we never heard him. Not a proposition, barely a question. Effectively nothing. I will now either vote Mezec although I think he is too young. Dun although I think he is too old. Or Ocean who I am quite convinced is rather barking but will allow me to register the biggest protest vote possible. This is Jersey today. We are basically screwed.
ReplyDelete'We are basically screwed' Comment at 12.07
ReplyDeleteThere is a rare comment in the Jersey Evening Propaganda echo chamber which talks about the candidates in this by-election.
It says 'Drunk, loony, desperate and mad'.
Fair comment if you added in closet establishment wannabe.
Sam Mezec is too left for me, Nick Le Cornu has the balance right.
ReplyDeleteAt a push I'd vote for Alvin Aaron.
Come on! Mezec is a Lib-Dem compared with Nick Le Cornu. In fact he is even more of an extreme left-winger than Ryan Giggs was. As for Aaron he blew any remote chances when he walked out of the hustings unable to answer the questions. In reality none of these candidates are ideal even for a sensible left voter. All the first class lefties are no longer in the game unfortunately.
DeleteCongratulations to Caroline Lucas (and Jonathan Bartley ....Jobshare!!!) who have been elected co-leaders of the Green Party of England and Wales.
ReplyDeletehttp://schoolsweek.co.uk/mp-relaunches-compulsory-pshe-bid-as-police-boss-calls-for-education-to-tackle-child-abuse/
Realistically the vote is between Sarah, John, and Sam. John is second best at the hustings, but word is Sam already has a seat. Sarah could get it from the females.
ReplyDeleteWho has spent the most so far?
ReplyDeleteMy guess it's Sam Mezec with all the manifesto mails shots and banners everywhere.
So he should win?
No way. The Establishment candidates May and Cheese-Burgher have spent a fortune. Cheese-Burgher's spending is huge. Everyone saying May will win now but I hope not. Just another Murray Norton who will quickly be an Assistant Minister and go back on every word he told us.
DeletePopped my head in the Hustings tonight and there were 10 people in there.
ReplyDeleteSo much for the Unions getting behind Mezec.
Thought you would be in the pub on a Friday Sharrock?
DeleteIs it worth putting comment on here about the Hustings?
DeleteDefinitely. I would like to see a new Team Voice on the subject maybe along the lines of 'How can any candidate make a difference' in answer to Rico's comments.
DeleteHopefully by the time the election is concluded we will have more info on the Adrian situation regarding the inquest and so another blog on this subject too.
Either Sam, John, or Sarah in would be good enough. Christian? No-No-No!
ReplyDeleteO for the days of having figures of real stature and ability to oppose the dictatorship!
ReplyDeleteCome back Trev! Get better Bob!
This island must be close to finally tipping in to the abyss of no return.
Trevor or Bob would wipe the floor with these candidates.
DeleteHow sad we no longer have progressive candidates of real stature to challenge the Council of Ministers.
DeleteIf Ozouf junior Christian May wins, as I think he may well do, then really this island is finished for the working class and their interests. The question must be why do so many of the public fall for the spin every time? Haven't enough learnt from the evidence that these people tell us one thing then do something completely different once elected?
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know what odds the bookies are offering?
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ReplyDeleteAgree with the above poster, Ferguson, Young or Sam would be a satisfactory result, but remember the last election, it was between Ferguson and Ozouf, in the recount Ozouf found that he had over two hundred votes more. Some people may view that as strange ?
Desperate times need desperate measures to keep the balance of power.
If the powers that be, can transfer multi million pound publicly owned assets to arms length groups of their friends, ex politicians, ex civil servants and yes men to do with as they wish the under a cloak of secrecy call it all commercially sensitive therefore not in the publics interest to know, messing with an election is a piece of cake.
Is the first citizen, the Bailiff our head judge and head of the judiciary going to stand up and say democracy is becoming a distant memory on Jersey ? Of course not when they have awarded him a ten percent increase on his remuneration package every year for the last five years. He now gets £337,000 to not get involved.
More than twice the pay packet of the UK prime minister.
Is this why he removed the covenant in the Royal court allowing Eddie Noel to charge St Helier residents for waste disposal ? Bit of a ramble but Ferguson and Young have the experiance and backbone to try and get answers out of these self interested some say corrupt ars***s
Our beloved Bailiff doesn't 'get involved' because he IS involved. He runs the damned show. The most corrupt office in all Jersey. Our most recent trio of 'First citizens' should all be facing investigation for helping pervert the course of justice in my opinion.
DeleteWe've been listening to this for 8 years yet nobody has gone to the ECHR like promised umpteen times or properly taken up Jersey's Justice System and it's alleged shenanigans directly with the UK High Courts.
DeleteHow many years does this have to carry on before words are put into action?
So what is stopping you? We have seen good - very good people absolutely battered and bruised by Jersey's corrupt courts. Just consider Stuart, Trevor and Shona. Just consider others like Bob Hill and Ted Vibert, Gary Mathews. All driven into bad health and even off of their own island. What have the rest of us done in real terms over those years? What have we put on the line like these brave few. Unless we can all bring ourselves to find the courage to take to the streets together nothing will ever change because we will get picked off one by one like them.
DeleteThe saddest aspect of this is that realistically only two of these great ex-politicians would have little difficulty getting elected again even if they could eventually be persuaded to do so. Those two are the Pitmans.
DeleteTime, ill health and media trashing has seen to the others as Anonymous says. We must face up to the fact that we need to look among ourselves to find enough candidates to fight the Bailhache/Gorst Gang.
Daunting to those of us who find it nerve-racking to speak at a wedding let alone on an election hustings. But maybe we need to run the flag up on a blog like this and see if enough of us would find confidence in numbers to come forward?
If not then for all of their shortcomings we need to support Reform Jersey. At least they are trying.
Poster at 10:07 says: "Some people may view that as strange?" Also the pre-election voting at St Pauls Centre seems very fishy. Is this "new establishment venture", properly monitored?
ReplyDeleteHave any questions been answered since Adrian was found? New evidence or witnesses come to light? Has anyone traced footsteps from last sighting to ending up in the reservoir? Was it easy to end up in there if disorientated? Can you just walk into the place at 3am in the dark easily from a footpath? When is the Inquest? All is quiet.
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